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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 August 2021 14:53

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 August 2021 14:23


Do have to consider the consequences of trying to set a hard line with Nurse. He's in a very unique positions with McDrai. If talks break to a point where he goes back to insist on a 4 year deal, that has huge implications for the futures of McDrai on this team. Not only because of how all their deals expire at the same time, but also just the fact that you have some negativity surrounding how the negotiation went.

I'm probably being too generous thinking Holland is ONLY willing to bend a little for certain guys on the team, because that is clearly not true. Just have a hard time seeing this play out many different ways even if we had a prudent negotiator at the helm. This ended up pretty close to how it would with many other GM's in the same position. And it's a huge huge deal to keep McDrai and Nurse happy here, in the present, and in 4 years if this team is still not winning. Our failures will be the result of how we play with the rest of the cap space outside of those guys. And there is plenty of cap space to still build a winner if used properly.


You're probably right to an extent, although I think a more clever GM doesn't approach it so much like hard negotiation, as opposed to trying to coax Nurse to leave more behind. Maybe using some of the things like the NMC and buyout poison pill as an incentive - ie. we'd really appreciate some help here so we can build a winner around you, and these measures should prove to you that we want you around to be a big part of it.


Yeah, there is very little clever to be had around these parts :) I think we set ourselves up pretty badly with 2 2 year bridge deals, so twice we decided it wasn't wise to commit to Nurse long term, and now we are just begging for it after Nurse's camp hinting they might want to line up being UFA again with McDavid.

Who came up with the genius call of 2 bridge deals anyways? I actually forgot until Nurse talk started that we just set him up to go to UFA. Doing a bridge leaving 1 RFA year would have been genius in this case. Kinda like it was with Petry, except we had no idea what we had with Petry and decided Nikitin was our 4M price point guy that MacT only wanted 1 of :)


Hey, he also signed Fayne and Ference that summer. How much excellence can one blueline contain?



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 August 2021 14:53


Who came up with the genius call of 2 bridge deals anyways?


On the second one, I believe they didn't deal with it until September, so they could only pay him what ws left under the cap.



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Rutuu wrote on Sat, 07 August 2021 10:51

What could we have traded Nurse for pre this signing and what could we trade him for now that he's locked up for 8yrs at $9.25m?



Clearly the Oilers had no interest in moving Nurse if an agreement couldn't be arrived at, he's part of the answer here, and there's no one in the org to step up and fill the role. In the upcoming year the Oilers could have worked out a trade which they probably lose. Also, Connor McDavid is besties with Darnell, who is coming off a bridge that used up his rfa years and he outperformed. Add in the market going up with recent signings, and in the case of Nurse, the cards were stacked against the organization. I'm somewhat disappointed that Nurse and his agent imo pretty much got his max value instead of something that looked more like Leon's AAV, but disappointment like that is just not worth it.



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Can’t believe I’m saying this but Staples says something I 100% agree with;

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In general, a strong NHL defenceman in a Top 4 role will make about one major mistake on a Grade A shot against per 15 minutes of even strength time, essentially one game of playing time. That’s what we saw from Adam Larsson last year, 60 major mistakes in 970 even strength minutes, 0.93 per 15.

Nurse was at 1.47 major mistakes per 15 last season, not great for a d-man in a Top 4 role, but pretty good. He was hanging in there against the strongest attackers in the NHL.

This year, in his first 41 games of the season, Nurse’s OK-to-good play on defence continued, with him making 71 major mistakes on Grade A shots in 774 minutes, 1.38 per per 15.

He was trending up and his attack play had never been better.

In recent games, however, Nurse has slipped on defence. His attacking is the same but in February and March he’s made 67 major mistakes in 476 minutes, 2.11 per 15.


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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 09:15

Can’t believe I’m saying this but Staples says something I 100% agree with;

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In general, a strong NHL defenceman in a Top 4 role will make about one major mistake on a Grade A shot against per 15 minutes of even strength time, essentially one game of playing time. That’s what we saw from Adam Larsson last year, 60 major mistakes in 970 even strength minutes, 0.93 per 15.

Nurse was at 1.47 major mistakes per 15 last season, not great for a d-man in a Top 4 role, but pretty good. He was hanging in there against the strongest attackers in the NHL.

This year, in his first 41 games of the season, Nurse’s OK-to-good play on defence continued, with him making 71 major mistakes on Grade A shots in 774 minutes, 1.38 per per 15.

He was trending up and his attack play had never been better.

In recent games, however, Nurse has slipped on defence. His attacking is the same but in February and March he’s made 67 major mistakes in 476 minutes, 2.11 per 15.


https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /big-fish-in-troubled-waters-edmonton-oilers-star-d-man-in-m ajor-defensive-slump


Yep stats seem to reflect what I've witnessed.



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find a clip of overtime when his helmet came off. If I'm his coach, I'm pissed at ho slowly he made his way to the bench. Directly contributed to the 2 on 1 that ended the game.
nothing to do with skill, just a stupid move to not hustle off the ice.



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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 12:12

find a clip of overtime when his helmet came off. If I'm his coach, I'm pissed at ho slowly he made his way to the bench. Directly contributed to the 2 on 1 that ended the game.
nothing to do with skill, just a stupid move to not hustle off the ice.


And that’s one of the issues with him, it’s between the ears. That’s where a vast majority of his inconsistency stems from. He’s a great skater. He can produce points. All those thing RD already mentioned, there’s no disagreement on that. It’s his inability to consistently use his brain for the betterment of the team. He’s comes across as very selfish. McDavid has an off night, he says “I need to be better”. Nurse has an off night and it’s the team needs to be better. He’s the Mike Smith of defencemen, never his fault



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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 12:12

find a clip of overtime when his helmet came off. If I'm his coach, I'm pissed at ho slowly he made his way to the bench. Directly contributed to the 2 on 1 that ended the game.
nothing to do with skill, just a stupid move to not hustle off the ice.

If you watch that sequence, when the puck is in Kane's feet in the neutral zone, Keith comes on for Nurse and instead of hedging toward the defensive zone as a Dman with possession in question, he beelines toward the puck and actually cheats toward center, and is a non factor on the short Avs breakin to the zone, and 97 not having a clue in terms of defending it.

You're right, I think guys changing should always haul ass to the bench, especially in that situation, but there are other parts to that breakdown.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 12:49

.. I think guys changing should always haul ass to the bench...


Always a pet peeve of mine.. should haul it every time



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 14:47

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 12:49

.. I think guys changing should always haul ass to the bench...


Always a pet peeve of mine.. should haul it every time

Pet peeve of my pee wee coach too. Looking back it was an easy lesson to learn, but a hard one to practice. Just like running on and off the field in baseball. Pitchers have it so easy.



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I can see Nurse is turning into the next Horcoff in Edmonton for some people.

Horcoff was a very good Oiler. Gave everything he could, great team guy, good captain, played his ass off, great in the community. He had a great year, signed a nice contract which was probably market value at the time. People couldn't get over it. Didn't matter what he did. He could score a hat trick but the talk would be that 1 mistake he made that game. Didn't stop until he finally left town.

Case in point. What is the talk at the moment for Nurse. OT in the Avs game. Kadri new the rule and ripped Nurse's helmet off his head right in the Oilers zone when the puck was there so Nurse would have to go to the bench immediately which would create a scoring chance for the Avs. That was kind of a dirty move and should have been interference on Kadri but the talk is how Nurse didn't hustle fast enough to the bench to change, which means he doesn't have enough hockey sense. Wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference if Nurse had of hustled a tiny bit faster because the play was on the far side of the ice from the bench so if his replaced had of been on even a second earlier, he still wouldn't have been able to get into the play but who cares, Nurse doesn't have enough hockey sense to change faster after the opposition got away with cheating.

If he had of hustled to the bench and that guy had of gotten on the ice that 1 second faster, still wouldn't have made a difference. BUT. The next argument against Nurse would have been he should have had his chin strap done up tighter to make it harder for Kadri to rip his helmet off. But again, he doesn't have enough hockey sense to do that.

Wow!



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Nurse is already Horcoff. Very good, slightly overpaid, easy to malign, and nice to have on the team. The question is can you win with a person who isn't quite good enough to do the job they're asked to do but can't be replaced.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:25

Nurse is already Horcoff. Very good, slightly overpaid, easy to malign, and nice to have on the team. The question is can you win with a person who isn't quite good enough to do the job they're asked to do but can't be replaced.




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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:07

I can see Nurse is turning into the next Horcoff in Edmonton for some people.

Horcoff was a very good Oiler. Gave everything he could, great team guy, good captain, played his ass off, great in the community. He had a great year, signed a nice contract which was probably market value at the time. People couldn't get over it. Didn't matter what he did. He could score a hat trick but the talk would be that 1 mistake he made that game. Didn't stop until he finally left town.

Case in point. What is the talk at the moment for Nurse. OT in the Avs game. Kadri new the rule and ripped Nurse's helmet off his head right in the Oilers zone when the puck was there so Nurse would have to go to the bench immediately which would create a scoring chance for the Avs. That was kind of a dirty move and should have been interference on Kadri but the talk is how Nurse didn't hustle fast enough to the bench to change, which means he doesn't have enough hockey sense. Wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference if Nurse had of hustled a tiny bit faster because the play was on the far side of the ice from the bench so if his replaced had of been on even a second earlier, he still wouldn't have been able to get into the play but who cares, Nurse doesn't have enough hockey sense to change faster after the opposition got away with cheating.

If he had of hustled to the bench and that guy had of gotten on the ice that 1 second faster, still wouldn't have made a difference. BUT. The next argument against Nurse would have been he should have had his chin strap done up tighter to make it harder for Kadri to rip his helmet off. But again, he doesn't have enough hockey sense to do that.

Wow!

This is this first time in a very long time I've read your "often" long winded, panty tangled posts.

I think it's fair to say Nurse has a very strong skillset, but lacks situational awareness quite often at critical moments.

Is that better?



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:51

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:25

Nurse is already Horcoff. Very good, slightly overpaid, easy to malign, and nice to have on the team. The question is can you win with a person who isn't quite good enough to do the job they're asked to do but can't be replaced.




Horcoff -> Nurse -> Benson

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The Oilers could put together a all-time list of whipping boys. I'm not sure Nurse makes the squad... yet. The defense would be pretty good and Penner would score 40.



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Is this Nurse morphing into 2.11 chances per game guy, which has not been the case for the last two seasons, or a rough patch of play that will get worked out?

I’d leaning too the larger sample size. McDavid went under a ppg for a stretch, but was he regressing during his prime years as a hockey god? Aberrations happen and this should be able to coaches and corrected. He will return to his norm, which is a damn fine defender. Not perfect, but no one was calling him a superstar prior.

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 16:24

Is this Nurse morphing into 2.11 chances per game guy, which has not been the case for the last two seasons, or a rough patch of play that will get worked out?

I’d leaning too the larger sample size. McDavid went under a ppg for a stretch, but was he regressing during his prime years as a hockey god? Aberrations happen and this should be able to coaches and corrected. He will return to his norm, which is a damn fine defender. Not perfect, but no one was calling him a superstar prior.


But he’s going to be making superstar dman money here shortly. We can go back and forth till the end of time on this. I respect the crap outta you inverno, but I feel this is something we may never agree on haha



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:03

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 16:24

Is this Nurse morphing into 2.11 chances per game guy, which has not been the case for the last two seasons, or a rough patch of play that will get worked out?

I’d leaning too the larger sample size. McDavid went under a ppg for a stretch, but was he regressing during his prime years as a hockey god? Aberrations happen and this should be able to coaches and corrected. He will return to his norm, which is a damn fine defender. Not perfect, but no one was calling him a superstar prior.


But he’s going to be making superstar dman money here shortly. We can go back and forth till the end of time on this. I respect the crap outta you inverno, but I feel this is something we may never agree on haha


That’s where I disagree. It’s not superstar money. Imagine Makar’s contract if Colorado bought only UFA years. 13M? 14M?

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 16:48

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:03

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 16:24

Is this Nurse morphing into 2.11 chances per game guy, which has not been the case for the last two seasons, or a rough patch of play that will get worked out?

I’d leaning too the larger sample size. McDavid went under a ppg for a stretch, but was he regressing during his prime years as a hockey god? Aberrations happen and this should be able to coaches and corrected. He will return to his norm, which is a damn fine defender. Not perfect, but no one was calling him a superstar prior.


But he’s going to be making superstar dman money here shortly. We can go back and forth till the end of time on this. I respect the crap outta you inverno, but I feel this is something we may never agree on haha


That’s where I disagree. It’s not superstar money. Imagine Makar’s contract if Colorado bought only UFA years. 13M? 14M?

Sasky for life and it’d be boring a crap if everyone agreed all the time.


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.





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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.



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I think that's a fair assessment, but at the same time 1 to 1.5 mil less is likely closer to today's worth. Never know he could go beast mode in the playoffs and show the worth there, he's the kind of player that usually elevates playoff time. I guess only time will tell


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:00

I think that's a fair assessment, but at the same time 1 to 1.5 mil less is likely closer to today's worth. Never know he could go beast mode in the playoffs and show the worth there, he's the kind of player that usually elevates playoff time. I guess only time will tell

If that 1 million was the difference between keeping Nurse and losing him, you pay the million. Remember, this is a team that tried to nickel and dime Petry. He showed us, as it turns out. If you think the defense is bad now, imagine if the Oilers replaced Nurse with Cap Space.



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I don't even want to think about what Ken would do with 9 mil and a hole at 1d


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:07

I can see Nurse is turning into the next Horcoff in Edmonton for some people.

Horcoff was a very good Oiler. Gave everything he could, great team guy, good captain, played his ass off, great in the community. He had a great year, signed a nice contract which was probably market value at the time. People couldn't get over it. Didn't matter what he did. He could score a hat trick but the talk would be that 1 mistake he made that game. Didn't stop until he finally left town.

Case in point. What is the talk at the moment for Nurse. OT in the Avs game. Kadri new the rule and ripped Nurse's helmet off his head right in the Oilers zone when the puck was there so Nurse would have to go to the bench immediately which would create a scoring chance for the Avs. That was kind of a dirty move and should have been interference on Kadri but the talk is how Nurse didn't hustle fast enough to the bench to change, which means he doesn't have enough hockey sense. Wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference if Nurse had of hustled a tiny bit faster because the play was on the far side of the ice from the bench so if his replaced had of been on even a second earlier, he still wouldn't have been able to get into the play but who cares, Nurse doesn't have enough hockey sense to change faster after the opposition got away with cheating.

If he had of hustled to the bench and that guy had of gotten on the ice that 1 second faster, still wouldn't have made a difference. BUT. The next argument against Nurse would have been he should have had his chin strap done up tighter to make it harder for Kadri to rip his helmet off. But again, he doesn't have enough hockey sense to do that.

Wow!

Are we talking about proven drug cheat Shawn Horcoff?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.



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So… slightly overpaid and the Oilers would be a mess without him. I’ll say again, if the overpayment meant the difference between keeping and losing their low number 1, he’s worth the money.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


He probably is a number 1, but that isn't the debate. I am contesting the two previous assertions that:

1) He's a top 10D in the league.
2) He's not getting paid like a superstar.

6th highest paid defenseman next year implies superstar. Being called low-end does not imply superstar.

It's an overpay. I think a smart GM could build a better defense with the 9.25M and whatever pick they would have got for trading him.

But Connor would definitely be upset.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:58

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.


Until 2025 where his contract falls to the mean. I’m not a Nurse or Holland apologist, but his contract isn’t going to be bad unless something drastic happens. It’s also very unlikely it’ll ever be a good contract, much less a value contract.

All I am saying he is not the reason Edmonton gets in cap problems.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


He probably is a number 1, but that isn't the debate. I am contesting the two previous assertions that:

1) He's a top 10D in the league.
2) He's not getting paid like a superstar.

6th highest paid defenseman next year implies superstar. Being called low-end does not imply superstar.

It's an overpay. I think a smart GM could build a better defense with the 9.25M and whatever pick they would have got for trading him.

But Connor would definitely be upset.


Every team has a ‘number one’ dman. But that doesn’t mean every team has a number one dman. Just like every team has a number one goalie… but no one here will call Smith or Koskinen a number one.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:58

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.


Until 2025 where his contract falls to the mean. I’m not a Nurse or Holland apologist, but his contract isn’t going to be bad unless something drastic happens. It’s also very unlikely it’ll ever be a good contract, much less a value contract.

All I am saying he is not the reason Edmonton gets in cap problems.



In 2025 when his cap hit is still 9.25?

No, his contract is not the reason Edmonton will be in Cap h-e-double hockey sticks. But it’s a contributing factor in it and a direct contributor to the possible departure of Yamo, JP and or Kane.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


He probably is a number 1, but that isn't the debate. I am contesting the two previous assertions that:

1) He's a top 10D in the league.
2) He's not getting paid like a superstar.

6th highest paid defenseman next year implies superstar. Being called low-end does not imply superstar.

It's an overpay. I think a smart GM could build a better defense with the 9.25M and whatever pick they would have got for trading him.

But Connor would definitely be upset.


Truth. What’s the value in a team that has a happy couple of superstars? Rather a 1M of cap money goes there than the much more amount dollars lost in non-factor players, dead cap space or severe overpays like Kassian and Koskinen.

I don’t like Nurse’s deal, but it’s like going to Boston Pizza and ordering Cactus Cuts. Are they worth $12? No, but there are comparables at other places for roughly the same price, but not nearly as good. Would I rather have double stuffed baked potatoe? Yea, but it’s not on the menu.

PS. I love my cactus cuts.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:32

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


He probably is a number 1, but that isn't the debate. I am contesting the two previous assertions that:

1) He's a top 10D in the league.
2) He's not getting paid like a superstar.

6th highest paid defenseman next year implies superstar. Being called low-end does not imply superstar.

It's an overpay. I think a smart GM could build a better defense with the 9.25M and whatever pick they would have got for trading him.

But Connor would definitely be upset.


Every team has a ‘number one’ dman. But that doesn’t mean every team has a number one dman. Just like every team has a number one goalie… but no one here will call Smith or Koskinen a number one.


Fortunately Nurse is closer to Hedman, than Smith/Koskinen are to Vasilesvsky.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:34

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:58

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.


Until 2025 where his contract falls to the mean. I’m not a Nurse or Holland apologist, but his contract isn’t going to be bad unless something drastic happens. It’s also very unlikely it’ll ever be a good contract, much less a value contract.

All I am saying he is not the reason Edmonton gets in cap problems.



In 2025 when his cap hit is still 9.25?

No, his contract is not the reason Edmonton will be in Cap h-e-double hockey sticks. But it’s a contributing factor in it and a direct contributor to the possible departure of Yamo, JP and or Kane.


Draisaitl should have been re-upped at 7M. Contributing factor.



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Truth. What’s the value in a team that has a happy couple of superstars? Rather a 1M of cap money goes there than the much more amount dollars lost in non-factor players, dead cap space or severe overpays like Kassian and Koskinen.

I don’t like Nurse’s deal, but it’s like going to Boston Pizza and ordering Cactus Cuts. Are they worth $12? No, but there are comparables at other places for roughly the same price, but not nearly as good. Would I rather have double stuffed baked potatoe? Yea, but it’s not on the menu.

PS. I love my cactus cuts.


I love this analogy so much.

What you're saying is we need 3% cash back on the credit card and a good looking wait staff for this to be ok? Oh man, imagine if there was a Nurse coupon. The Oilers could have gotten Nurse and free small pizza.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:48

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:34

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:58

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.


Until 2025 where his contract falls to the mean. I’m not a Nurse or Holland apologist, but his contract isn’t going to be bad unless something drastic happens. It’s also very unlikely it’ll ever be a good contract, much less a value contract.

All I am saying he is not the reason Edmonton gets in cap problems.



In 2025 when his cap hit is still 9.25?

No, his contract is not the reason Edmonton will be in Cap h-e-double hockey sticks. But it’s a contributing factor in it and a direct contributor to the possible departure of Yamo, JP and or Kane.


Draisaitl should have been re-upped at 7M. Contributing factor.


Draisaitl takes 7 results in Darnell seeing an extra Mil available and we’re talking about Darnell at 10.25.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:52

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:45



Truth. What’s the value in a team that has a happy couple of superstars? Rather a 1M of cap money goes there than the much more amount dollars lost in non-factor players, dead cap space or severe overpays like Kassian and Koskinen.

I don’t like Nurse’s deal, but it’s like going to Boston Pizza and ordering Cactus Cuts. Are they worth $12? No, but there are comparables at other places for roughly the same price, but not nearly as good. Would I rather have double stuffed baked potatoe? Yea, but it’s not on the menu.

PS. I love my cactus cuts.


I love this analogy so much.

What you're saying is we need 3% cash back on the credit card and a good looking wait staff for this to be ok? Oh man, imagine if there was a Nurse coupon. The Oilers could have gotten Nurse and free small pizza.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 22:25

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:48

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:34

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:58

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20


I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.




So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.


This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin


Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.


I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.


Low end (de facto) number one paid like a consistently elite number 1.


Until 2025 where his contract falls to the mean. I’m not a Nurse or Holland apologist, but his contract isn’t going to be bad unless something drastic happens. It’s also very unlikely it’ll ever be a good contract, much less a value contract.

All I am saying he is not the reason Edmonton gets in cap problems.



In 2025 when his cap hit is still 9.25?

No, his contract is not the reason Edmonton will be in Cap h-e-double hockey sticks. But it’s a contributing factor in it and a direct contributor to the possible departure of Yamo, JP and or Kane.


Draisaitl should have been re-upped at 7M. Contributing factor.


Draisaitl takes 7 results in Darnell seeing an extra Mil available and we’re talking about Darnell at 10.25.


That’s a reach. More like Smith at 2.75 and Kassian at 4M flat.



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