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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788979 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:14

mightyreasoner
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Just brutal. Completely indefensible and inexcusable.

Also - I think Katz might be short on cash.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788981 is a reply to message #788976 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:16

Rocksteady
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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:06

Apparently you now have to honour NMCs unless you can convince the player that they will waive it. He already had that, so it was part of acquiring him.

Lots to crucify Holland for in this deal - I really don't understand what the Oilers are thinking at all here - but the NMC is just part of the package, so I'll let him off for that.

Only thing I can really see if Klef is done. Holland thinks forward that the deal makes sense so he can go without having to overpay on term and $$$ on the free market for several years. Holland is waiting for Broberg/Bouchard/Samorukov to get moved up the system and play on the team and must think they are getting ready to go.

That's the only line of thinking that makes sense.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788982 is a reply to message #788981 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:18

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:16

Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:06

I see where it's gone wrong. You can't try to "make sense" of this stuff. Just accept that Oilers mgmt are the smartest guys in any room and the 5D chess they're playing will work out eventually.

I mean, not this upcoming year obviously because we are still in a developmental stage, but once the Keith cap hit comes off the books and we can really spend in free agency things will be different.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788983 is a reply to message #788979 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:19

Adam
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:14

Just brutal. Completely indefensible and inexcusable.

Also - I think Katz might be short on cash.

So we're seeing this one point again and again and again from media guys - that Keith's salary is below his cap hit. Spector and Matheson have already pointed it out again this afternoon.

They're making it sound like that somehow saves the team. It doesn't. Not at all. We aren't a cap floor team, so it's not really relevant. We don't have to spend to the cap, so if they wanted a $2MM defenceman, they could have just signed someone at that price range. They'd probably still be better than the over-the-hill version of Duncan Keith.

All we've done is tied up cap space which we now can't use in the future. Unless by some miracle he retires after one year.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788985 is a reply to message #788983 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:27

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I hate having to protect him, more than the cap hit (which I also hate).

As for the player, I’m hopeful that he looks good in more limited usage and can help a team that has now choked in the playoffs twice in a row find another gear.

Caleb Jones has had like three good games as an Oiler, so I really don’t care that he is gone. And a third round pick isn’t much more than a prayer.

Clearly, they know Klefbom’s career is over, and I expect that there’s a plan to move out Neal.

I get the rage with this deal, but I really don’t feel it that much personally. I actually am kind of excited to see what Bouchard can learn from him.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788987 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:33

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It’s especially funny and sad when you expect the worst deal from the Oilers and yet the real deal is even worse than that.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788988 is a reply to message #788987 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:36

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:33

It’s especially funny and sad when you expect the worst deal from the Oilers and yet the real deal is even worse than that.

We really hate having 3rd round picks.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788989 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:39

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Hq8QyUYAMM0tk?format=jpg&name=small

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788990 is a reply to message #788985 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:39

Adam
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Here's Jonathan Willis commenting on an Athletic article on the trade.

Quote:

Jonathan Willis
@JonathanWillis

From Lazerus:
"It's frankly shocking that this trade was made without the Blackhawks retaining any salary."
"... the Blackhawks really had no other potential trading partner but Edmonton"
"Edmonton theoretically had all the leverage"

Lazerus is the Chicago reporter on that article (along with Daniel N-B). We're seeing guys like Haggerty in Boston, who's as old-timey a hockey guy as there is, mocking this deal. Everyone knows the Oilers got taken to the woodshed. So why would we let that happen!? It absolutely boggles the mind.

Do they really believe that somehow Keith is going to defy aging and become the next Chris Chelios here? You'd think Holland, of all people, would know that Chelios wasn't a huge difference maker after 40 in Chicago. They had a team full of star players. They had Hasek, Lidstrom, Yzerman, etc. etc.

Bowman played Holland for a doddering old fool, and he was clearly right to do so. Even the initial bid Holland made (that the Oilers have decided for some reason to give to Mark Spector), is way too much to surrender.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788991 is a reply to message #788988 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:40

Adam
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:36

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:33

It’s especially funny and sad when you expect the worst deal from the Oilers and yet the real deal is even worse than that.

We really hate having 3rd round picks.

Apparently we don't have a 2021 3rd rounder...have we heard if this is the 2022? or what the conditions are?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788993 is a reply to message #788991 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:43

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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:40

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:36

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:33

It’s especially funny and sad when you expect the worst deal from the Oilers and yet the real deal is even worse than that.

We really hate having 3rd round picks.

Apparently we don't have a 2021 3rd rounder...have we heard if this is the 2022? or what the conditions are?

3rd rounder if Keith scores 1 point.

He'll end up with 0 points, but the NHL will decide that's ridiculous and conclude his leadership skills were worth 1 point alone and give Chicago the 3rd round pick.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788994 is a reply to message #788988 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:49

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Funny, how so many here think they could have made a better deal, and as fans we over value our assets and undervalue a champion and hall of famer. I think this is a akin to the Hall deal. This was a deal for something desperately needed in that dressing room, in practice and in tight playoff games. We can post all we want about how our GM gave up too much, but he knows better than any of us what our young d core needs. A couple of years of leadership from Keith is the best bet on grooming a young and potentially great defence. Kieth is not the future of Oilers defence, but he will have an impact on what it will become.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788995 is a reply to message #788994 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:51

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I could have made a better deal by not making the deal.

You want leadership and intangibles, maybe Ken Holland can get Nik Lidstrom to consult for 6 months.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788996 is a reply to message #788994 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:51

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ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:49

I 100% could have made a better deal. Don't believe me? Watch. Here's it goes.

"No thank you"

*hangs up*

edit to add: dammit

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788998 is a reply to message #788996 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:57

Kr55
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:51

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:49

I 100% could have made a better deal. Don't believe me? Watch. Here's it goes.

"No thank you"

*hangs up*

edit to add: dammit

What? Holland didn't have a gun to his head that he had to get a LHD before the expansion draft, draft or free agency?

Wow, this looks a bit worse then if that's the case.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788999 is a reply to message #788993 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:00

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The one good thing this time around is that I'm just sort of numbed to this ridiculous behaviour by the Oilers. I'm outraged of course, but when Taylor Hall was traded I was so mad that I had to pull in to a parking lot and just seethe for a while. Today, it's almost comical...you knew the Oilers were going to make this mistake for over a week, and the question was just how badly they were going to do on it. That it turned out to be literally as bad as anyone could imagine is just par for the course with this team.

It's pretty telling that even the local media is pretty tepid on the deal:

- Matheson calls this a clear win for Chicago because of no retained salary
- Rishaug calls it "high risk, high reward" (although it's unclear what the high reward would be...maybe if Keith is suddenly 2012 Duncan Keith again...
- Jon Willis pointing out that there's no Chiarelli crutch any more, since this is what Holland is deciding to spend cap space on it.
- Staples calls it a massive overplay.
- Spector, Stauffer and Jones going with the old adage of if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all...

And then there's Kurt Leavins:

Quote:

Kurt Leavins
@KurtLeavins
·
2h
The #Oilers Defence just got significantly better. Acquired Duncan Keith from Chicago for Caleb Jones & mid-round pick.
Like Matt Benning before him, Jones tried & failed to crack Top 4.
Keith a lock to play 18-20’ in Top 4.
Major influence on & off the ice.

A bootlicker to the end, he's now saying he thinks pick would have been a good prospect if Chicago had retained salary...amazing.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789000 is a reply to message #788999 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:04

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:00

Quote:

A bootlicker to the end, he's now saying he thinks pick would have been a good prospect if Chicago had retained salary...amazing.

Is Leavins even profiting from kissing the Oilers orgs butt? Think he's just a normal superfan that is able to rationalize everything as OK while he continues to watch the Oilers suck, never taking a moment to wonder why.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789001 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:08

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I knew it was coming, didn't make it any easier.

Get them to retain at least something. $500K, 900K (league minimum) just on paper....jeeze.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789002 is a reply to message #789000 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:09

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:04

Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:00

Quote:

A bootlicker to the end, he's now saying he thinks pick would have been a good prospect if Chicago had retained salary...amazing.

I muted him on Twitter because his articles are so bad, then I had to mute David Staples because he wouldn't quit sharing them. Arguably I should've muted Staples anyways...

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789003 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:14

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Hf_G7UYAAYEi9?format=png&name=small

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789004 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:15

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https://twitter.com/AdnacOil/status/1414649334919016448?s=20

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789005 is a reply to message #788983 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:16

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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:19

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:14

Just brutal. Completely indefensible and inexcusable.

Also - I think Katz might be short on cash.

It would allow Katz to be look like a cap max team, while spending below it.

It's not just this though. A conversation I had with an ex-Oilers employee makes it sound like things are tight financially.

I'm not saying he's broke, but a year and a half without revenue from fans may have tightened up the cash flow into the organization. I do sort of believe that.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789006 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:21

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What does this trade say about Holland's thought process?

He didn't particularly value Jones, or the 3rd rounder. He thinks he has lots of cap space. We are now choosing between getting better up front or in net, there isn't room for two other big additions.

And he either loves old d-men or secretly works for Chicago.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789008 is a reply to message #789005 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:23

Kr55
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:16

Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:19

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:14

Just brutal. Completely indefensible and inexcusable.

Also - I think Katz might be short on cash.

He still trying to make movies? Probably should have kept that recession proof business he had selling drugs instead of going all in on the industry that endlessly consumes them.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789009 is a reply to message #789003 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:23

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Michael Parkatti is a freaking wizard.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789010 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:31

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So the player gets to decide if they keep their NTC. Keith wanted to come here. Was there any discussion about "okay we'll bring you in but no promises in year 2" and get him to waive it?

He could always just retire if he still wants to be near his kid...

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789011 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:33

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I was never against seeing the Oil acquire Keith, but not at what Holland gave up and especially not when there was no salary retention involved. This team really makes it hard to feel optimistic about anything....

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789012 is a reply to message #789010 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:33

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:31

How does any of that help Chicago?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789013 is a reply to message #789006 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:37

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:21

Its actually a $4.7 M cap increase (minus C. Jones $850K), I would have been OK with D. Keith at $3.5 M, Chicago retaining $2M, and NO picks included, so the disappointment I have right now is the extra $1.2M in cap we gain over what I had expected, and of course the 3rd round pick (heard its "conditional"? .. not that the conditions matter when it comes to the Oilers, since the NHL will find a way to rule the conditions are met regardless..)

Not happy about talk of a 3rd, conditions should be high.. like making the Stanley Cup final..

Wish we could have held out with Chicago for a more favourable deal.. but its only 2 years, I'm convinced Keith still has lots of gas in the tank, and is an upgrade at #2 LHD, just means we won't be spending big cap on expensive UFAs at wing..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789014 is a reply to message #788994 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:38

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ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:49

Ha ha ha...is this post actually defending this deal AND the Hall trade???

Do you actually believe that the Oilers needed to "lose a trade" with Taylor Hall? We have missed the playoffs more than we made it in the time since. Maybe that wasn't the best deal we could have made?

And this? We did not have to make the trade. I don't know why the Oilers acted as if they had to. And at the point where you know that the other team really wants to make a move and that they have almost no options where they can trade the player, you don't need to offer assets for that. You take them to the cleaners on the deal.

I swear, this team thinks the other GMs are all their friends and that they have to do them favours now and then and that eventually it will come back to us. Spoiler - it won't.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789015 is a reply to message #789013 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:42

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This deal should never have been done, but if it had to be done, why now? Why not after the Seattle draft? There is so much bad about this. They should have retained 50% and THEY should have paid someone a 3rd to retain a further 50%. Keith at around $1.5 for Jones wouldn’t have been horrible.

I am so pissed right now. Holland is as bad as all the rest.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789016 is a reply to message #789014 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:44

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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:38

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:49

It's too bad they can't still include future considerations in deals.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789017 is a reply to message #788994 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:46

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ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:49

This makes me think of Adam Oates and how he taught the guys how to win faceoffs. Just because Keith has won awards, team and individual, does not mean that on July 12, 2021 he is worth what we paid. Not like there were a bunch of teams lining up for him. Edmonton held the chips on this one and still couldn't make a good deal.

That said, I hope Keith does really well. He is an Oiler now and I will gladly cheer him on for all the success possible. But I don't think history is on his side for having a better season than last as a 38 year old defender.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789018 is a reply to message #789017 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:20

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oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:46

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:49

This is where I'm at. Not happy with the trade, but am very hopeful that Keith can contribute and help mentor guys like Bouchard, Broberg, and even Nurse. I honestly hope he can exceed expectations because let's face it the bar is low.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789019 is a reply to message #789018 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:35

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jds308 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:20

oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:46

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:49

Keeping in mind that Klefbom is apparently done for good, I'm putting away the torch and pitchfork and just wait and see what Keith brings us.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789020 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

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https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789021 is a reply to message #789020 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:47

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 19:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Didn’t think my mood could get any worse.

So there are like 4 guys on that list that make more than him?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789022 is a reply to message #789021 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:51

Mike
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Worse trade[ 20 vote(s) ]

1. $7.5M Gomez to the Habs 15 / 75%
2. $5.5M Keith to the Oilers 5 / 25%

Is this the worst trade ever considering flat cap, McDavid and Draisaitl in their prime, team needs, etc…?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789024 is a reply to message #789020 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:00

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Since we don't care about how old guys are anymore, Martinez is definitely a guy I would have taken a run at. Still a very good player.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789025 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

Rocksteady
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The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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