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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726182 is a reply to message #726180 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 18:11

Babaganoosh2.0
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Is there a chance Drunk Gretzky could be the the shadow man doing this? I mean it would explain a hell of alot.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726183 is a reply to message #726182 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 18:16

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 18:11

Is there a chance Drunk Gretzky could be the the shadow man doing this? I mean it would explain a hell of alot.

Drunk Gretzky gifs are the only saving grace of rebuild 4.0.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726186 is a reply to message #726169 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 19:30

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 17:19

Lucic-Spooner-Kassian
Manning-Petrovic

That 5 man unit costs more than 15M.

Damn McDavid and Drai and their greed not letting us build a solid team.

Rishaug, aka Chia’s Lap Dog, says that the Oilers tried to include Spooner in the deals today too but no dice. We have apparently reached the point where the only return we got for Eberle is worth so little no one will take him for free...

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726187 is a reply to message #726138 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 19:35

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Entertaining if nothing else! The money doesn't make sense so there has to be more in the works doesn't there? This looks like a Chia Hail Mary in the dying seconds ! Didn't mind the first trade,looks like there could be a player there, but this one given how mediocre Manning appears to be for 2.25 is a bit of a head scratcher alright. (not to mention the McDavid issue) Didn't mind seeing Caggula moved out although he had his moments and Garrison's days in the NHL are numbered. Shoring up the defence makes sense given the situation,just hope these guys are good enough to do that.

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 11:00]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726188 is a reply to message #726167 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 19:39

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 17:08

g2k wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 16:58

Deck chairs being moved around. 1st round players bouncing back and forth between the minors. Constant flux for a team trying to get some cohesion, familiarity and consistency.

I would like no moves if there isn’t something that’s positive to be had right now. This is a freaked out GM throwing things at a wall so he might squeeze into the playoffs. No real plan after that. Just save his job at the expense of draft picks, proper development....everything.

Survival mode. He’s looking at the big picture through a straw right now.

OBC must be right there approving these moves too. And if the OBC are not, they aren't doing their job anyways, because no competent boss of Chia would be allowing him to do anything without approvals at this point.

Pretty sure that Nicholson indicated in the Athletic article that he and Katz both get to approve deals before they let Chiarelli pull the trigger. They all have to bear responsibility for this mess.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726189 is a reply to message #726138 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 19:47

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I'm so confused at this one, but like others have said, deck chairs...

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726190 is a reply to message #726144 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 19:58

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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 15:55

This Brandon Manning. Skip to 40 seconds to hear what generally reserved McDavid has to say about him.

This does not seem like a good time to bring in an expensive crap defenseman, especially one that your generational player has distaste for?

...that would have been my thought, too but according to Mark Spector, McDavid has given his okay to bringing in Manning....

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-latest-moves-show -team-gm-fighting-survival/

..."Our opinion on that play is this: Manning was just a defenceman being beaten wide by McDavid’s blazing speed, and he did what he could to get in McDavid’s way. That opinion is strengthened by the fact that, upon his return, McDavid has ceased to attack the net as recklessly as he did in that rookie season.

That’s a dangerous play that he had to change, and you’ll notice he does not end up inside the net or in a pile with the goalie anymore, the way did when he arrived in the NHL. McDavid glides behind the net now to avoid the collisions that some blame Manning for, but frankly, were inevitable.

Just in case, GM Peter Chiarelli sought McDavid’s blessing on the trade. It was granted by the Oilers captain, perhaps as long ago as last season, when the Oilers first considered acquiring the quiet, Prince George, B.C. native."....

.sounds like Spector trying to stay on Chiarelli's good side, for some weird reason....wonder if all the MSM are still toeing the line....

....on a different tangent, I wonder if Sekera's medical people did not approve of his return to play anytime soon....otherwise, don't understand how the Oilers can take on Manning's contract....

[Updated on: Sun, 30 December 2018 20:00]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726192 is a reply to message #726138 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 21:37

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SO apparently we are ~3.2M over the cap now, using LTIR space.

So, need to free that up for Sek to return.

Nuge for Ryan Strome anyone? Maybe Strome just needs to get into a better situation to produce. Former 5th overall pick. He put up 50 points once, not sure if any of you knew that. Right handed shot, maybe can help the PP. Killed penalties earlier this year on a team. Popular in the dressing room.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726193 is a reply to message #726169 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 21:44

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 17:19

Lucic-Spooner-Kassian
Manning-Petrovic

That 5 man unit costs more than 15M.

Damn McDavid and Drai and their greed not letting us build a solid team.

At least with Petrovic there is an out at the end of the year. Or they can re-sign him for less.

Those other four somehow have term.

Sekera and Russell and Benning add another $11M.

26 for 8 borderline players. (Only the Sekera one can be forgiven probably).

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726195 is a reply to message #726163 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 23:36

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 16:39

There’s 620 roster spots in the NHL, and Chia finds a way to get the only guy to have injured his franchise player. That’s some kind of amazing.

Maybe he's thinking it worked with Kassian so why not try it again?

Today was as baffling as Pronger Day in Oilers' history.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726196 is a reply to message #726138 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 00:05

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After hours to think about it, i have a theory about why this might work.

For the record, I don't think Chiarelli is smart enough to plan this and I think he's just making moves hoping somebody will magically be better when they get to the Oilers.

The Oilers have lost 5 straight, but they are still in a good spot. Wouldn't take much for them to get back into the playoff race. So spend some 'spare parts' and go acquire guys that can help them get through this patch of injuries. You may have all your guys back by the start of February, at which point teams are looking to add depth for the playoff run. They can add some salary for a few months, so the contracts become less of an issue. Take a month to figure out which guys are worth keeping, and move the ones that aren't.

Remember, the 3rd pick that got dealt today was acquired at last year's trade deadline for Brandon Davidson. That's how much teams are willing to pay at the deadline.

The 3rd pick is really the only asset that matters that was dealt today. You only have to go back to the last game thread to see some of the same posters whining about this trade dropping trau and dumping on Cagiulia. Garrison and Wideman aren't even replacement level players. It wouldn't take much desperation from another GM to recoup a 3rd pick. And you get better players to hold the fort for a month.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726197 is a reply to message #726196 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 00:51

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I had this same gut feeling when we traded Scrivens for Kassian, and over the seasons I grew to really like the guy. I can only hope Manning can do the same. The guy does have some character to him (answered the bell with Maroon), and he can play D. I'm hoping by season's end, he replaces Russell and we get a little cap space back. Hard to imagine a team with Manning, but no Lucic ,if we were to rewind the tape to 2 seasons ago.. Funny how the NHL works. Now to find some wing depth....

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726199 is a reply to message #726196 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 07:16

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 07:05

The 3rd pick is really the only asset that matters that was dealt today. You only have to go back to the last game thread to see some of the same posters whining about this trade dropping trau and dumping on Cagiulia. Garrison and Wideman aren't even replacement level players. It wouldn't take much desperation from another GM to recoup a 3rd pick. And you get better players to hold the fort for a month.

So you see the benefit of the moves?

Chiarelli knows he has to make the playoffs to keep his job.

These moves have done nothing to hurt the team long-term. As you say the third pick was the only asset that mattered. Easy enough to get it back at the trade deadline. If the Oilers continue to tank and are unquestionably sellers at the TDL then Chia likely won't be in a position to cause any damage. He could easily be fired by then.

The next five game stretch is critical to this team. 3-2 or better coming out of the California trip is the only thing that keeps this team relevant. If these trades work out we will see the results by the San Jose game on the 8th.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726224 is a reply to message #726186 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 11:55

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Adam wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 18:30

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 17:19

Lucic-Spooner-Kassian
Manning-Petrovic

That 5 man unit costs more than 15M.

Damn McDavid and Drai and their greed not letting us build a solid team.

Ya, this group definitely has a long-term plan that they're working through here and are 100% not just blindly flailing about in the dark.

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19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726226 is a reply to message #726199 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 11:59

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shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 06:16

then Chia likely won't be in a position to cause any damage.

You say this like the alternatives are any better. With our luck this team will appoint a 5 man panel of Lowe, McTavish, Howson, Gretzky and newly appointed Vice President of Definitely No Longer Involved in Hockey Ops, Peter Chiarelli, to be the new GM

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726227 is a reply to message #726226 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 12:10

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Not a man sounding too confident. Also at the start (1:23) he is talking about "knowing about the defenceman's availability" and it almost sounds like he starts to say someone is not coming back "Since..." then he repivots his language.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726231 is a reply to message #726227 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

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When it comes to Petrovic, I don't mind the trade. He's a big, physical, right shot who doesn't bring you much offence but according to his bio has good mobility, is OK defensively and can kill some penalties. All things the Oilers need right now badly. I think he's a definite upgrade on Garrison (who's gone). He is also an upgrade on Wideman, Gravel and Benning. All those guys have been playing, some of whom a decent amount of minutes. Gravel and Benning out of necessity have been on the PK which hasn't been good. The trade is Petrovic for a 3rd (they have 2) and someone elses 6th(Wideman). If he can help stabilize the defence a bit and stop the bleeding, I see it as an OK deal. They have lost 5 games in a row, are in danger of being out of the playoff race, they needed someone. Playing Benning or Wideman or Gravel at the same rate wasn't going to make things better.

For Manning, I don't know. He's a bottom pairing guy, Chia even admitted that. According to his bio, he moves the puck well which is nice but again doesn't produce a lot of points. He as a mean streak which I have NO problem with. I think he is much better than Garrison and Wideman. Probably better than Gravel and maybe Benning. Hard to say about Benning. The cost to get him. It's Caggulia for Manning. At this point, I don't know if it's good. At first glance, it sure doesn't look good. Caggulia is a guy who can score probably 10-15 goals but will probably cost you at least that many if not more defensively and his mistakes are typically the 5 star kind. The guy just doesn't seem to know how to do anything defensively and he's a freaking winger who has the easiest job. If he continues to be a guy who gives up more goals than he scores then maybe it might workout but I don't know if it can. It is definitely not a trade where anyone can say Chia won it right now.

For the injuries. Based on what Chia said, to me it doesn't sound like Russell is close. He's been out for 3 weeks tomorrow, missed 7 games so far and if all Chia will say is he's getting sort of close, tells me he's another week or more away. For Klef, it will also be 3 weeks tomorrow and it was 6-8 weeks so pick the middle and it's another month.

I sure hope these deals work out. The one thing I will agree with Chia totally on is his response on the "big name" dman that Rishaugh keeps asking about. I don't see them being out there at this point and if they are, taking out the fact that Chia doesn't seem to get good value in deals, the cost to get these guys for any team, let alone the Oilers would be ridiculous. It's not happening.

One question I do have is I wonder if with these 2 guys - Petrovic and Manning - coming in, #1 does it mean Benning is on borrowed time. I personally wouldn't be upset to offload him for anything. #2 since rightly or wrongly, Chia and sounds like Hitch as well, likes size and nasty, does being in these 2 guys who are big, physical, nasty guys, also free up say a Kassian? Salary will eventually have to leave the roster and other than skate fairly well, Kassian is a really expensive 4th liner who doesn't score.

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 13:22]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726233 is a reply to message #726231 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

The "big name" guy is a pipe dream for sure at this point. Every move we have made since we knew we were getting McDavid (before that too of course) has been a downgrade to the asset value this team holds. Today, we have next to nothing left to trade. Only a handful of players left on this team are worth anything and we need every single one of them playing their best to have any shot to win a game.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726242 is a reply to message #726233 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 13:57

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

Also, no money. My understanding is picking up cap yesterday, they likely have to shed cap space to fit Sekera back into the lineup now.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726244 is a reply to message #726242 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 14:33

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@Rob_Tyvhkowski - It took a while, but in acquiring Brandon Manning the Oilers finally got even with Brandon Manning.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726245 is a reply to message #726242 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 15:30

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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:57

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

Also, no money. My understanding is picking up cap yesterday, they likely have to shed cap space to fit Sekera back into the lineup now.

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726246 is a reply to message #726245 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 15:58

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 15:30

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:57

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

Also, no money. My understanding is picking up cap yesterday, they likely have to shed cap space to fit Sekera back into the lineup now.

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

Let Sekera and family rehab more at Katzys little flat in LA?

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726248 is a reply to message #726245 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 16:26

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 22:30

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

That sounds right and the team just can't announce it.

I love the take of Hawks fans that they dumped a crappy contract on the Oilers (fair) and got Caggiula who they deem a good young player (clueless). At least they get that Garrison is a contract dump. lmao

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 16:28]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726250 is a reply to message #726248 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 16:46

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shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 22:30

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

Caggiula is a decent young player with upside. We got another 7th dman (just what we need). Dont get me wrong. I still think Chia has gone full numbnuts.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726252 is a reply to message #726250 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:00

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:46

shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 22:30

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

Caggiula is a decent young player with upside. We got another 7th dman (just what we need). Dont get me wrong. I still think Chia has gone full numbnuts.

That extra year on Manning’s contract is what was supposed to make him almost impossible to move while he was performing like a middling AHLer. I still don’t get why Chia was fixated (since last year it turns out) on getting this guy with his trash contract. If he really is this dumb, he better get some collar height extensins added to his Oilers track jackets.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726253 is a reply to message #726250 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:06

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:46

shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 22:30

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

Caggiula is a decent young player with upside. We got another 7th dman (just what we need). Dont get me wrong. I still think Chia has gone full numbnuts.

I’m not a big Caggiula fan, but he had some offensive instincts. His 7 goals on the season is more than double what any winger but Chiasson has this year, and his 20 in the calendar year of 2018 is the most of any player on the team not named McDavid, Draisaitl or Nugent-Hopkins. We lost that trade badly, picking up an unmoveable contract with another full year left on it. It’s baffling because if any of Sekera, Klefbom or Russell comes back it’s even money that Manning is a healthy scratch for the Oilers.

The Oilers big mistake on Caggiula was always expecting him to become a top-6 guy when every arrow even in his college stats pointed to a third liner with a bit of offence. As usual, those lofty misguided expectations led to disappointment from management. Are any of the “94s” that Chia talked about at the end of last season still with the team?

For what it’s worth, the Blackhawks have already waived Garrison and are likely to demote him tomorrow. Worth remembering that Chia thought he was the priority to sign over Chiasson in the Fall....

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726255 is a reply to message #726252 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:09

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Yes. But also, somehow, magically, the Oilers have made the same types of terrible moves while having circulated several GMs.

Weird.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726256 is a reply to message #726255 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:13

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Magnum wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 17:09

Yes. But also, somehow, magically, the Oilers have made the same types of terrible moves while having circulated several GMs.

Weird.

Loading up on borderline NHLer depth has certainly been the classic oilers move for a long long time. It is insane we are millions over the cap with only a handful of players any other team would want (unless we were taking their garbage in return)

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 17:16]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726257 is a reply to message #726256 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:26

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 17:13

Magnum wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 17:09

Yes. But also, somehow, magically, the Oilers have made the same types of terrible moves while having circulated several GMs.

Weird.

Like our Prime Minister says: we have to look at the root causes.

Another way to say it, is that we need to look at the entrenched causes.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726258 is a reply to message #726250 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 17:48

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 23:46

Caggiula is a decent young player with upside. We got another 7th dman (just what we need). Dont get me wrong. I still think Chia has gone full numbnuts.

Big jump from a decent young player to a good young player.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726259 is a reply to message #726258 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 18:12

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shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 17:48

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 23:46

Caggiula is a decent young player with upside. We got another 7th dman (just what we need). Dont get me wrong. I still think Chia has gone full numbnuts.

Big jump from a decent young player to a good young player.

Decent is still better then the other hot trash Chia has brought in. I'd take Cagguila over Strome and Spooner and Lucic that's for sure. What did we get? Another crappy boarderline NHL that's damn near 30. Why the hell did he even do it? Cause our scoring depth is so awesome we can fritter it away for nothing. It doesn't do a damn thing to make this team better.

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 18:14]

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726260 is a reply to message #726259 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 18:32

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 01:12

That 28 point pace is some awesome depth scoring. icon_lol

Hitchcock didn't like Drake's game and I can't blame him.

A smaller side to these trades that no one has really touched on is that they are all molding this team into a real Hitchcock team.

Maybe Hitchcock becomes permanent head coach even if Chia does get fired.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726261 is a reply to message #726260 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 18:39

Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff

No Cups

If he (Hitch) get's the OBC's vote, he doesn't get mine.

I have a picture of Lowe, MacTavish, and Howson on my mirror and every morning I look at them and tell myself: Magnum, you can accomplish anything you want today, just don't be like those punks, let the opposite of what they do, be your guiding light.

Then I look at my stomach for 30 seconds or more and hope that's enough time for my fat to burn away and my six pack to come through.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726262 is a reply to message #726260 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 18:44

Babaganoosh2.0
Messages: 396
Registered: December 2018
Location: Southern AB

No Cups

Who else is on a 28 point pace on this team in the bottom 6. Now just sounding like a Chia clown again.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726264 is a reply to message #726262 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 18:56

g2k
Messages: 2733
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood

2 Cups

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 18:44

Who else is on a 28 point pace on this team in the bottom 6. Now just sounding like a Chia clown again.

Depth scoring?

Bah. Overrated.

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726289 is a reply to message #726245 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 00:00

mightyreasoner
Messages: 508
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 15:30

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:57

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

Also, no money. My understanding is picking up cap yesterday, they likely have to shed cap space to fit Sekera back into the lineup now.

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

I mean, maybe? But I think that's giving Chiarelli too much credit.

Last I heard, Sekera was skating. That's a far cry from playing in the NHL, but everything the media has been saying was that he was going to head to the AHL in the new year for some conditioning.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726290 is a reply to message #726289 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 00:42

Kr55
Messages: 9829
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 00:00

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 15:30

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:57

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 13:16

Also, no money. My understanding is picking up cap yesterday, they likely have to shed cap space to fit Sekera back into the lineup now.

Or Sekera isn't coming back and they know it.

yeah, pretty sure this is just straight up panicking and trying to save the season. The season is very much becoming lost right before our eyes in this moment. Record is barely above this time last year as the wheels were falling off.

This management team will deal with clearing up space later, and just gotta hope there isn't another terrible trade.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726309 is a reply to message #726253 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 16:41

shoop
Messages: 106
Registered: December 2018
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Adam wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 00:06

For what it’s worth, the Blackhawks have already waived Garrison and are likely to demote him tomorrow. Worth remembering that Chia thought he was the priority to sign over Chiasson in the Fall....

So the signing of Chiasson is another thing to criticize Chiarelli for? Tending to the irrational with that one. Signing Chiasson is literally the only off-season move Chia made that is beyond question.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726310 is a reply to message #726259 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 16:44

shoop
Messages: 106
Registered: December 2018
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 01:44

Who else is on a 28 point pace on this team in the bottom 6. Now just sounding like a Chia clown again.

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 01:12

I'd take Cagguila over Strome and Spooner and Lucic that's for sure.

Why throw Lucic in there? Of course, anyone would take Caggiula over Lucic with their current contracts.

Now just sounding like a mindless Chia hater by throwing in the one mistake that everyone agrees on. It doesn't make the case any stronger. Like I said, just mindless.

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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726311 is a reply to message #726310 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 17:05

Babaganoosh2.0
Messages: 396
Registered: December 2018
Location: Southern AB

No Cups

Who signed Lucic. Not only that the idiot traded Hall to accommodate him. You want mindless look at what your little hero has done to this team. Your a complete and utter waste here. I won't be reading your drivel henceforth.

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