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Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726096]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:00

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According to Bob:

Quote:

FLA trades Alex Petrovic to EDM for Chris Wideman and a draft pick.

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/107944816688009625 7?s=19

Petrovic is probably an upgrade on Wideman, given that Wideman isnt good. But why are the Oilers trading a 3rd round pick in a move that isnt gojng to remotely save this season?

ETA: oh hey and Petrovic is a UFA. Even better.

[Updated on: Sun, 30 December 2018 12:06]

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726098 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:09

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So essentially a 3rd and a 6th for a guy who can play 15-20m a night? I'm OK with that.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726099 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:10

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From a year ago.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/therattrick.com/2017/11/26/flori da-panthers-trading-alex-petrovic-seems-ideal/amp/

Haha. Loved how they figured Petrovic and a 2nd would be enoughto get Nuge. The reporter should know Chia prefers 1 for 1’s.

Not to promising. Sounds like an older Reinhart.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726100 is a reply to message #726099 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:21

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?filter=Y& ;pid=111629

...well, he shoots right and is from Edmonton, so he won't be surprised that Edmonton has a lot of darkness in January....couldn't replace a guy like Mark Pysyk as a bottom pairing defenseman for the Panthers, so I'm not expecting much of an upgrade from Wideman....hoping for the best, but prepared for no real difference...another move made out of desperation, not need....

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726101 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:22

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Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726103 is a reply to message #726100 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:43

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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 19:21

...well, he shoots right and is from Edmonton, so he won't be surprised that Edmonton has a lot of darkness in January....couldn't replace a guy like Mark Pysyk as a bottom pairing defenseman for the Panthers, so I'm not expecting much of an upgrade from Wideman....hoping for the best, but prepared for no real difference...another move made out of desperation, not need....

No need? The Oilers desperately need an upgrade on defence. Petrovic may not be great but he's definitely better than Wideman.

I'd try him on the top pairing for a little while (2 RHD on the first pairing but for now they are overloaded with guys who can play on the right side).

Petrovic - Larsson
Nurse - Jones
Gravel - Benning

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726104 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:43

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How valuable is a 3rd rounder though? DIdn't we give one up to hire Chia? Not that valuable, clearly :)

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726106 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 12:49

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Also taking on 950K (Widewan's salary was 1.0MM for reference). So Wideman + a 3rd + 950K in cap relief for a 15 pt, 3rd pairing defensive d-man who is sporadically injured and never played more than 67 games in a season, and who is currently having his worst year as a pro.

If he can take a semi-regular shift on the third pairing then he is an upgrade over Wideman, but this is clearly another overpay by an increasingly panicked PC.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726107 is a reply to message #726106 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:06

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I had the displeasure of going to the last 2 Oilers home games and Wideman was a freaking train wreck. He's not a full time NHLer, maybe a #7. I don't pretend to know a ton about Petrovic other than what you read about him in his bio. He supposedly has good mobility, he's big, right handed, has some shut down abilities and can be on your PK. I know he doesn't give you any offence but with how banged up the Oilers defence is, I am just looking for someone who can give you even OK mins every night even in the 3rd pair.

I got into a twitter debate with a few Oilers bloggers who of course are against the trade saying Wideman is the much better player and he is an average 5 on 5 defender. They of course have "STATS" to back it up. I'd love to know if these are NHL stats or AHL stats because from what I have seen, Wideman gets CRUSHED defensively all the time. Routinely gets walked, out muscled or is in the wrong position defensively. IN the brief time he was an Oiler, he was the primary culprit on at least a goal or 2 a night. So I don't know what these guys saw or how they manipulated their numbers but I don't know how they can say we was even mediocre.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726108 is a reply to message #726107 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:13

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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 20:06

I had the displeasure of going to the last 2 Oilers home games and Wideman was a freaking train wreck. He's not a full time NHLer, maybe a #7. I don't pretend to know a ton about Petrovic other than what you read about him in his bio. He supposedly has good mobility, he's big, right handed, has some shut down abilities and can be on your PK. I know he doesn't give you any offence but with how banged up the Oilers defence is, I am just looking for someone who can give you even OK mins every night even in the 3rd pair.

Agreed that Wideman is not a full time NHLer.

A 5/6 D for an AHL D and a 3rd rounder. When the team has played horribly because the D was subpar I'm not really sure what the issue is.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726109 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:14

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I personally know Petro. Good guy who will throw down with just about anybody on and off the ice when hes fired up. In junior, this guy threw haymakers and his body in front of some heavy shots. Petro will sacrifice his body to keep the puck out of the net and knows how to play with heart. He's got sort of an Ethan Moreau type demeanor. I hope he injects a little life into our backend

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726110 is a reply to message #726100 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:15

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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:21

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?filter=Y& ;amp ;pid=111629

...well, he shoots right and is from Edmonton, so he won't be surprised that Edmonton has a lot of darkness in January....couldn't replace a guy like Mark Pysyk as a bottom pairing defenseman for the Panthers, so I'm not expecting much of an upgrade from Wideman....hoping for the best, but prepared for no real difference...another move made out of desperation, not need....

Even if Petro is the same skill level as Wideman, he'll be better just because of his size, Wideman got manhandled last game, he was absolutely useless on loose pucks and man to man.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726111 is a reply to message #726101 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:18

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:22

Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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.. please someone take away that guy's phone...

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726112 is a reply to message #726111 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:26

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:22

Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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.. please someone take away that guy's phone...

....take away Matheson's or Chiarelli's phone...or both???...

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726113 is a reply to message #726107 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:30

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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 14:06

I had the displeasure of going to the last 2 Oilers home games and Wideman was a freaking train wreck. He's not a full time NHLer, maybe a #7. I don't pretend to know a ton about Petrovic other than what you read about him in his bio. He supposedly has good mobility, he's big, right handed, has some shut down abilities and can be on your PK. I know he doesn't give you any offence but with how banged up the Oilers defence is, I am just looking for someone who can give you even OK mins every night even in the 3rd pair.

I got into a twitter debate with a few Oilers bloggers who of course are against the trade saying Wideman is the much better player and he is an average 5 on 5 defender. They of course have "STATS" to back it up. I'd love to know if these are NHL stats or AHL stats because from what I have seen, Wideman gets CRUSHED defensively all the time. Routinely gets walked, out muscled or is in the wrong position defensively. IN the brief time he was an Oiler, he was the primary culprit on at least a goal or 2 a night. So I don't know what these guys saw or how they manipulated their numbers but I don't know how they can say we was even mediocre.

A few thoughts
- agree on wideman, he hasnt looked good
- I think I read he had 57 mins of total ice time as an oiler; one take, not enough to get a good read on him, another take, in just that short time he didnt look good so why wait to move on
- I know little of Petro, remember him fighting Kane twice, maybe even three times, in one game.
- read two comparisons to Gryba, dont like that

Overall this is a "meh" trade from me, saw nothing in Wideman to tell me he would be more than a 6/7. Petro has been no more than that this year it seems.
The added third means nothing at this point
TSN had him on their trade bait deadline list but I cant remember where, at least someone thinks he was good enough to go as a rental somewhere.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726114 is a reply to message #726112 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:32

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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 12:26

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:22

Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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eek

.. please someone take away that guy's phone...

....take away Matheson's or Chiarelli's phone...or both???...

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726115 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:34

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Oilers are giving up a lot of picks, which isn't great. But we got the better NHLer here.

I think its reactionary to complain (I'm seeing a lot of it), but I can't be too upset about this. Petrovic is an experienced NHLer with some good years left, RH shot, can play Top-6 and move into Top-4 in a pinch.

He is better than Wideman.
He is better than Garisson.
He is better than Gryba.
He is better than Rinehart.

He doesn't bring much for offense, but hopefully he can provide a little stability.

For now I imagine:

Nurse / Larsson
Jones / Petrovic
Gravel / Benning

When healthy, I see:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Petrovic
Sekera / Russell
Gravel

AHL: Bear, Jones, Garisson

This summer I wouldn't mind seeing Bear and Jones replace Sekera and Russell and upgrading the spot Petrovic is filling.

Petrovic isn't world class, but he's better than everyone people are comparing him to and complaining about. He does make them a little deeper, but just not enough.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726116 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:38

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Also: I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Matt Benning. I think his days are numbered since he demonstrated he was unable to seize a Top-4 role.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726117 is a reply to message #726116 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:47

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 20:38

Also: I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Matt Benning. I think his days are numbered since he demonstrated he was unable to seize a Top-4 role.

I hope so.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726118 is a reply to message #726116 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:47

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 14:38

Also: I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Matt Benning. I think his days are numbered since he demonstrated he was unable to seize a Top-4 role.

I was just about to reply to your other post with a similar comment.

I am done with Benning, he is showing zero growth and I dont have any faith he belongs, or will belong, in an NHL top 6.

If Petro can competently replace any of the guys you have mentioned, Garrison, Wideman and Benning that I will be happy with the trade.
If he happens to be better than Gravel, who has been a pleasant surprise overall, than the trade is a win.

Given that the Oilers need to find a way to build a proper competitive sooner than later I am fine with trading picks that have a low chance of helping ever, forget about in the next 3 years. Dont waste them but if they are the tipping point for a trade that makes the team better then do it.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726119 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:53

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Pick is conditional per McKenzie.

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Pending trade call with NHL. BTW, EDM has two third-round picks in 2019. FLA will get the better of the two picks. So, for now, it will be a conditional third round pick

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726120 is a reply to message #726119 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:55

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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:53

Pick is conditional per McKenzie.

Quote:

Pending trade call with NHL. BTW, EDM has two third-round picks in 2019. FLA will get the better of the two picks. So, for now, it will be a conditional third round pick

lol, can't just pick one to give, gotta concede it will definitely be the better one based on final standings. Why does this stuff always happen to us?

In any case, hope Petrovic can get his career back on track. I remember people holding him in high regard a few years ago, he was trending up. Hit a wall since though.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726121 is a reply to message #726103 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 13:57

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shoop wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 12:43

GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 19:21

...well, he shoots right and is from Edmonton, so he won't be surprised that Edmonton has a lot of darkness in January....couldn't replace a guy like Mark Pysyk as a bottom pairing defenseman for the Panthers, so I'm not expecting much of an upgrade from Wideman....hoping for the best, but prepared for no real difference...another move made out of desperation, not need....

No need? The Oilers desperately need an upgrade on defence. Petrovic may not be great but he's definitely better than Wideman.

I'd try him on the top pairing for a little while (2 RHD on the first pairing but for now they are overloaded with guys who can play on the right side).

Petrovic - Larsson
Nurse - Jones
Gravel - Benning

They both shoot right and are stay at home defenceman who don't contribute much to the breakout from our own zone. Makes the left side an easy breakout for the opposition coming back. Horrible idea. Overloaded with guys who can play the right side? I have a different opinion to that.

He has 5 goals in 256 games so he is not an offensive contributor. He has some size, which we need- hopefully he can use it.

Otherwise, a desperation move to make it look like someone in the front office has been working over the holidays.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726123 is a reply to message #726120 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 14:23

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:55

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:53

Pick is conditional per McKenzie.

Quote:

Pending trade call with NHL. BTW, EDM has two third-round picks in 2019. FLA will get the better of the two picks. So, for now, it will be a conditional third round pick

lol, can't just pick one to give, gotta concede it will definitely be the better one based on final standings. Why does this stuff always happen to us?

In any case, hope Petrovic can get his career back on track. I remember people holding him in high regard a few years ago, he was trending up. Hit a wall since though.

With our scouting supposedly improved, why are we so quick to throw draft picks away for marginal NHLers?

To me, this is more shuffling around of the deck chairs. Petrovic doesn’t help any of this team’s long term areas of need, he’s simply another 6/7 defenceman.

Ive said it before but this season is starting to feel like a redux of the MacTavish era where we make band aid trades in the hopes of hitting a surprise home run.

I do wonder who is making the trade calls these days. It felt yesterday like Chia is at the end of his rope with even Stauffer very critical of him.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726124 is a reply to message #726115 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 14:46

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 20:34

When healthy, I see:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Petrovic
Sekera / Russell
Gravel

AHL: Bear, Jones, Garisson

That could work. Although I would prefer to keep Jones as the 7D.

Jones has been playing unquestionably better than Gravel. Why not keep him up?

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726126 is a reply to message #726123 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:16

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When it comes to Wideman, it didn't hurt to give him a try but when ANY coaching staff decides it's better to play Jason Garrison over you, you are not a good player in my books. Garrison's days as an NHLer are over and he took playing time from Wideman. That's not good.

When it comes to Petrovic, the Oilers need 6 solid guys to play every night. They definitely do not have that now with the injuries and even when they are fully healthy, I do not know if they would have it. Benning can't be a top 4 and on a lot of nights, he doesn't even look capable of being a 3rd pairing guy. He's in this 3rd season with 168 games so far and the guy is sooooo inconsistent. They gave up a 3rd round pick when they have 2 of them. A lot of 3rd round picks don't ever make the NHL and if they do they are what 4-5 years away from their draft year? Chair is a good example. He was a 3rd rounder taken in June 2012. He played 69 games last year and has been in most games this year. So he's probably now considered a NHLer. It took him 6 years to make the NHL other than a cup of coffee. If Petrovic can come in, give the Oilers some decent mins and help them now, sacrificing a pick that MIGHT get you a player 6 years from now, isn't that big of a cost in my opinion.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726127 is a reply to message #726124 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:16

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shoop wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 14:46

mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 20:34

When healthy, I see:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Petrovic
Sekera / Russell
Gravel

AHL: Bear, Jones, Garisson

That could work. Although I would prefer to keep Jones as the 7D.

Jones has been playing unquestionably better than Gravel. Why not keep him up?

If Jones or Bear are in the NHL, I want them playing. I don't want them in the pressbox.

Gravel is more suited for that role of veteran moving in and out of the lineup. You don't risk his development or ceiling by having him sit out long periods of time. Worst thing for prospects is to not be playing, either because of injury or sitting in the pressbox.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726128 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:19

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He seems to be in the mold of Kris Russell. If he is, I'll take that.
Seems to have been a big part of the Panthers plans as recently as the start of this year, but his ice time has declined. That may be a red flag.
Better than Wideman, almost assuredly, but a 3rd round pick is not a small asset.
Let's just give him time to show what he can do.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726130 is a reply to message #726116 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:25

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:38

Also: I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Matt Benning. I think his days are numbered since he demonstrated he was unable to seize a Top-4 role.

I'd be happy if Benning could just give the Oilers solid 3rd pairing mins every night. It's a stretch a lot of nights for him to do even that. When fully healthy, I see the pairings as follows:
Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse - Russell
Sekera - Petrovic

This is assuming that Sekera can play as a 3rd pairing guy. Jones has looked real good, there is definitely a player there but he will have to go down as I do not want him sitting, he needs to play. Garrison just needs to go away. So that leaves you with Gravel and Benning. Honestly, I would have Gravel as my #7. Gravel has surprised me. He's a 6-7 but at least you know what you can get from him. Benning it's a mystery shift to shift. One shift he can look decent, then the next he can't make a simple pass.

If you can package Benning and if you have to something else to get a usable bottom 6 forward, do it.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726131 is a reply to message #726127 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:32

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 22:16

If Jones or Bear are in the NHL, I want them playing. I don't want them in the pressbox.

Gravel is more suited for that role of veteran moving in and out of the lineup. You don't risk his development or ceiling by having him sit out long periods of time. Worst thing for prospects is to not be playing, either because of injury or sitting in the pressbox.

With the health of this team would Jones really be sitting for long periods of time?

On the off-chance this team has our true top 6 D ready to play all at the same time for an extended period Hitch is smart. Smart enough to give the D an odd night off here and there if the Oilers catch an unexpected bout of the healthy D. Enough to keep Jones for sitting out for extended periods.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726133 is a reply to message #726111 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:43

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:22

Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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eek

.. please someone take away that guy's phone...

Too late. We are screwed.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726134 is a reply to message #726133 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:46

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inverno76 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 15:43

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 11:22

Why the $@$$ is Chia still being allowed to make trades?!?

P.S.: According to Matheson, there may be more trades coming. Good God. icon_dead

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eek

.. please someone take away that guy's phone...

Too late. We are screwed.

Good lord. Did the team really just send the guy with 5th most goals this year away for another low points, 6/7 defenceman? Good god. Make it stop.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726137 is a reply to message #726123 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 15:49

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Adam wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 21:23

With our scouting supposedly improved, why are we so quick to throw draft picks away for marginal NHLers?

Cuz with a 'generational talent' this team should be perennial cup contenders. That implies win now all the time. Better to improve the team now than worry about a 3rd rounder in the future.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726184 is a reply to message #726130 ]	Sun, 30 December 2018 18:30

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I agree with the Benning sentiment. He overplays for his ability and costs the team. Wideman looks like better forward material than defence. He's a good skater with decent puck skills but can't compete in the heavy going so I don't mind the trade for a bigger, stronger player who is likely an upgrade defensively. I guess Chia is stuck with what he can get at this stage to try to stay afloat so it's worth a shot. Too bad about the pick but they hardly ever pan out here anyway.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726200 is a reply to message #726118 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 07:45

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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018

Given that the Oilers need to find a way to build a proper competitive sooner than later I am fine with trading picks that have a low chance of helping ever, forget about in the next 3 years. Dont waste them but if they are the tipping point for a trade that makes the team better then do it.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for moving draft picks to make this team more competitive. But that's not what's happening here. Swapping marginal 3rd pairing defencemen is not going to move the needle.

I get that this will be an unpopular opinion among some around here but the Oilers are not a 3rd pairing defenceman away from being competitive. This team is 3 years away from being competitive and the sooner the organization realizes that, the better.

And the fact that 3rd round picks rarely pan out isnt an argument to just ship them off as sweeteners in random trades for rentals in a season that the Oilers are not likely to even make the playoffs. It's the opposite actually and you should be stockpiling as many of them as you possibly can at this point to try to get some value out of the draft beyond a high first round pick.

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Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726207 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 09:58

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Hitch press conference yesterday may be a bit concerning to some. Long rants about how we haven't been defending well and need size to break up cycles. I think these moves to add big physical D (Manning with a nasty streak) were done in part to appease a void Hitch feels the team has.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726209 is a reply to message #726096 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 10:25

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Take Chia's phone away, Petrovic I can sort of see, sort of.

Manning?

Like everyone else.. take Chia's phone away.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726213 is a reply to message #726115 ]	Mon, 31 December 2018 10:58

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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 12:34

Oilers are giving up a lot of picks, which isn't great. But we got the better NHLer here.

I think its reactionary to complain (I'm seeing a lot of it), but I can't be too upset about this. Petrovic is an experienced NHLer with some good years left, RH shot, can play Top-6 and move into Top-4 in a pinch.

He is better than Wideman.
He is better than Garisson.
He is better than Gryba.
He is better than Rinehart.

He doesn't bring much for offense, but hopefully he can provide a little stability.

For now I imagine:

Nurse / Larsson
Jones / Petrovic
Gravel / Benning

When healthy, I see:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Petrovic
Sekera / Russell
Gravel

AHL: Bear, Jones, Garisson

This summer I wouldn't mind seeing Bear and Jones replace Sekera and Russell and upgrading the spot Petrovic is filling.

Petrovic isn't world class, but he's better than everyone people are comparing him to and complaining about. He does make them a little deeper, but just not enough.

I don't doubt there's some anti-Chia sentiment to the negative reaction around the trade. But to me it boils down to where you think this team is today. If you think that they are on the edge of being a competitive team (and by that I mean not just squeaking into a wildcard spot), then go ahead and make moves that marginally improve the team. But if you're like me, and you think this team is further away than that, then this move makes no sense.

I posted it in another thread, but in a season where McDavid, Drai, RNH are on pace to score 27 more goals than they did last year, the team is actually on pace to score 1 goal less. The rest of this roster is not remotely good enough, imo.

That 3rd round pick might not be ready for 3+ years, if ever, but that's exactly the time horizon that I think the Oilers should be looking at right now.

Those defence pairings are exactly what the Oilers have been doing for over a decade. Taking guys and slotting them in above their ability and hoping that it works out. Sekera is a total question mark, but I get that you can't move on from him, and I think you projecting him onto the 3rd pairing makes a lot of sense. But then you've got a 3rd pairing defenceman in Russell or Petrovic (or Manning I guess now),playing up a pair with a guy in Nurse that I think is a #4 at this point. Regardless of how you configure it at this point, you're just plugging holes at this point, so giving up assets to do that doesn't really appeal to me.

[Updated on: Mon, 31 December 2018 11:50]

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726629 is a reply to message #726184 ]	Sun, 06 January 2019 13:48

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-place-scherbak-wai vers-wideman-schmaltz-also-waived/

Wideman already on waivers in Fla.

This team is a complete joke. Management needs to be involved in some kind of life altering freak accident that only leaves them unable to work for the team any longer. No other impairments.

I bet the NHL is not pleased with the Oilers for the last decade, getting too many players close to the pensionable service number while not being NHL calibre.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726631 is a reply to message #726629 ]	Sun, 06 January 2019 13:57

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jerekybeef wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:48

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-place-scherbak-wai vers-wideman-schmaltz-also-waived/

Wideman already on waivers in Fla.

This team is a complete joke. Management needs to be involved in some kind of life altering freak accident that only leaves them unable to work for the team any longer. No other impairments.

I bet the NHL is not pleased with the Oilers for the last decade, getting too many players close to the pensionable service number while not being NHL calibre.

Eh, there’ll only be more players closer to that number with a 32nd team forthcoming.

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t be shocked if Chiarelli puts in a claim for Schmaltz or Scherbak.

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