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Re: #FireHolland [message #825914 is a reply to message #825898 ]	Thu, 12 October 2023 13:58

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 12 October 2023 09:07

I think the team has given Ken enough time to show just how far out of his depth he is in the salary cap era. There was one crucial area of the team that needed addressing, and he didn’t even attempt to look at it (re: a bonafide #1 or #2 d-man). If this were pre-2004, Ken could have just solved the problem by opening the wallet and signing a big FA. However, he has no clue how to do it in an age where budgets are limited.

When Ken finally does get the boot, Bobby Burgers should be kicked to the curb beside him, as the hire was his genius idea to begin with. Sigh, being a fan of this team can be really painful sometimes.

Getting a #1D is almost impossible unless you draft them. Ekholm performed like a #2 at minimum last year. Ekholm and Bouch together played like an elite top pair together. What killed us was a 2nd pair that just imploded because they were a garbage fit together, almost all season.

Ceci cannot make up for weaknesses in Nurse's game. Ceci was drafted for offense, and is one of those guys that tried to add defense to survive because his offensive game sucked in the NHL, and he has only climbed up to being mediocre defensively. We do not have a good partner for Nurse right now, and this is going to keep biting us. We also do not have a solid defensive partner for Bouch, which will bite us if Ekholm misses time.

You can have D like Bouch and Nurse on your team. Bouch is trending to be basically like John Carlson, pretty lame defensively, but drives play all night long with breakout passes and good plays with the puck and elite on the powerplay. Washington always gave Carlson a solid partner so Carlson could be standing straight up clueless as things went on around him in his end.

Nurse is a unique player, but can be useful. If he had a really solid D partner that was defensively aware and could make a pass, we'd complain a lot less. Ceci had a miracle season his first year here where he kinda did that, but then he's regressed to being exactly what he was his whole career, which should not be a surprise. Nurse skates well with the puck, his athleticism can get him out of trouble a lot, can play crazy minutes. He probably should be making ~7-7.5M, but we f-d that up. Still he would be the unique talent on his pair, and a partner that compliments him probably should not cost nearly as much.

Still fire Holland of course. He obviously is not recognizing how this D group is going to struggle indefinitely because there are not enough good fits.

I'm also not a fan of the forward setup. I wanted us to get playmakers to play with McDavid and Drai. Not just a bunch of grindy 1 and done shooters. McDavid and Drai score themselves better than any of our wingers, but none of their wingers can actually hold a puck 5v5 and make plays to set them up. We're still leaving it to McDavid and Drai to drive everything on their lines. Hyman can retrieve pucks off the boards and get it to McDavid or Drai, but that's it. Kane is just an abysmal passer. Nuge plays hot potato with the puck 5v5. Brown is just all grind and shoot. I think we've messed up pretty bad with the forward lines, even though it looks good on paper. Both lines, shut down 1 guy, and the line is dead. This will be a problem in the playoffs again, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have to be a 1 line team again to have any hope. That's on Holland too.

[Updated on: Thu, 12 October 2023 14:01]

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#FireHolland	By: Ragnarok73 on Thu, 12 October 2023 09:07
Re: #FireHolland	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 12 October 2023 09:16
Re: #FireHolland	By: Kr55 on Thu, 12 October 2023 13:58
Re: #FireHolland	By: inverno76 on Fri, 13 October 2023 09:34
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