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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 26 July 2023 13:12 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 26 July 2023 12:28 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 26 July 2023 11:41 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 26 July 2023 09:57 |
| Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 26 July 2023 09:31 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 July 2023 15:58 |
I really like the signing. On paper, he brings everything the Oilers needed for a top 6 RW. They needed an upgrade on Yamo in the top 6 but also preferably didn't lose out on the things Yamo was doing for the Oilers already. What did Yamo do for the Oilers that Brown does as well:
- played in the top 6.
- can play with skill players and not have the play die.
- can kill penalties.
- has a sense of defensive hockey.
- Forechecks and goes after pucks.
Brown does all of that.
How is Brown an upgrade:
- He's bigger. Brown is 6'0, 183, Yamo is listed at 5'8, 153. I call BS on Yamo but maybe he's that. So 30lbs heavier and 4 inches taller. That's significant for going to get pucks, mucking in corners, going to the net and playing in the harder areas, scoring in the playoffs and durability. Yamo can't change his size.
- Brown is faster. Yamo skated OK but he wasn't a burner.
- Brown is known to be more aggressive and harder on the forecheck.
- Brown is a better PK guy, something the Oilers need to improve on.
- He's also better defensively.
- He's got more experience.
I think it's shows some creativity on the part of the Oilers to be able to bring in a RW that checks all the boxes they needed. Yes it kicks his salary down the road but they are a better team upfront today. People want them to go for it, this is going for it.
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Thanks for that RD.. I think his productivity is a concern plus his new knee may make him a lot rusty at the games frantic pace. McD loves him so that may make him a good add and as RD rightly points out he is bigger than 5'3 Yammo (he's a short and super light dude by a lot no way he's 5'8 except on skates). Yammo was so easy to push off the puck and doesn't have the IQ to avoid the big hits.
I'm not sold that Connor Brown is the perfect replacement for Yammo, hope I'm wrong.
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I look at it as the guys who played the last RW spot for the Oilers who had the #1 offence in the league last year were JP and Yamo.
JP in 58 games scored 5 goals, 14 pts
Yamo in 58 games scored 10 goals, 25 pts.
So I think it's all in how you look at it. If a person is wanting Brown to put up 30 goals and 70 pts, that might be a bit of a stretch. In my opinion, Brown needs to score more than 10 goals, 25 pts to be an upgrade on the best of the bunch which was Yamo. Soif he put up 20 goals and 40 pts, both things he's done before and should be attainable plus do all the things I listed and be a bigger body than Yamo, that would be a big time upgrade.
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This is why it's a bad signing. The best case scenario is probably 20-20-40 and only a middling improvement from the Yammo / PJ slow motion debacle.. It kind of solves the cap problem for this year and the cost of increasing the cap problem for next season. Not that scoring goals matters to the Oilers, they're already good at that. They needed to figure out how to stop goals.
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I said the low end that can probably be expected is 20G 40 pts. I base that on the fact he's done it several times playing with players who no disrespect to them, are not on the level of McD or Leon. So if he can put up those modest numbers with are the same as what Yamo did in 21-22 plus be a bigger body and be better defensively. Then I see it as an upgrade. If he can produce more which with how McD and Leon are playing, I think that is very possible plus be better defensively that Yamo and be better on the PK than Yamo, then I see it as a big upgrade.
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His career high is 21 goals and 43 points (in different years). If you're signing someone expecting a career high type season, you're being foolish. 10-20-30 should not be considered a bad year for a guy with a career best of 43 coming back from a major injury.
He better be better defensively than Yamojarvi.
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This is the kind of Oilers Math that management excels at. Take someone's best results ever, imagine that he must immediately get a huge bump playing with Connor McDavid, take a big swing.
Brown's best seasons are similar to the best seasons for Yamamoto or Puljujarvi so expecting much greater than that isn't a realistic approach and it's likely to end up with everyone disappointed.
Now, you could argue that he's saving considerable cap room this year versus Yamamoto, so it's all good, but considering you'll be paying $3MM for him not to play here next year, it's only beneficial really if that next year's cap space isn't critical. I'd argue it really, really is - maybe even moreso if you only kick the Bouchard issue one year down the road this summer.
As you say, if this is the big bet...well, it's not great. I just keep coming back to the thought that A) if McDavid is getting you guys, he should be shooting a little higher up the talent ladder, and B) if they're coming to play with McDavid, they should be giving a little more back to the team rather than taking top dollar every single time. That all comes down to competent management though...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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