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 inverno76
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 November 2022 08:24 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 29 November 2022 19:25 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 November 2022 15:51 |
Unfortunately at the time, the market for dmen like him shot up big time and the Oilers got caught.
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The market shot up due to Holland trading for Keith at the time he did, rather than wait. He held the cards, Keith was going to Vancouver or Edmonton. Then, he eas going to Edmonton. It was a forgone conclusion he was coming here. But instead of playing the slow game with something that was going to happen, Holland pulled the trigger setting off the asinine contracts for middle of the pack dmen who fell into situations being their teams number 1.
I was THE Keith supporter around here. I still endorse it. For his follies, he was still a good piece for the Oilers D. But, the timing of Holland making that move, directly caused the Jones, Werenski et all contracts opening the door for Nurse (he held out his prior contract-much like Yamo… let’s not forget).
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You think if Holland waited a couple of weeks, all of a sudden the stupid contracts handed out wouldn't have happened? It was the offsesaon, you are allowed to go over the cap. Keith getting traded was a rumor that was going around for a long time. So regardless if Holland waits a couple of weeks or gets the Hawks to retain a million to make some Oilers fans feel better, I don't see how the Hawks management were all of a sudden not signing Jones. Doesn't make any sense. Jones got signed in late July, they had 2 months to figure out how to trim some cap. Look at the stupid moves the Hawks made this year. You can trim cap pretty easily if you are willing to make bad trades. They proved it.
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I think the Oilers played a huge part in the overpays....With Chicago not retaining any money it gave the Hawks a lot of cap cushion to pay top dollar and then we added Caleb to sweeten the deal (not a huge loss to us, but a good chip for Chicago). Jones was the first domino to drop.
The market has gotten better since.
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RDOilerfan
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Registered: January 2016
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| inverno76 wrote on Wed, 30 November 2022 09:01 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 November 2022 08:24 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 29 November 2022 19:25 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 November 2022 15:51 |
Unfortunately at the time, the market for dmen like him shot up big time and the Oilers got caught.
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The market shot up due to Holland trading for Keith at the time he did, rather than wait. He held the cards, Keith was going to Vancouver or Edmonton. Then, he eas going to Edmonton. It was a forgone conclusion he was coming here. But instead of playing the slow game with something that was going to happen, Holland pulled the trigger setting off the asinine contracts for middle of the pack dmen who fell into situations being their teams number 1.
I was THE Keith supporter around here. I still endorse it. For his follies, he was still a good piece for the Oilers D. But, the timing of Holland making that move, directly caused the Jones, Werenski et all contracts opening the door for Nurse (he held out his prior contract-much like Yamo… let’s not forget).
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You think if Holland waited a couple of weeks, all of a sudden the stupid contracts handed out wouldn't have happened? It was the offsesaon, you are allowed to go over the cap. Keith getting traded was a rumor that was going around for a long time. So regardless if Holland waits a couple of weeks or gets the Hawks to retain a million to make some Oilers fans feel better, I don't see how the Hawks management were all of a sudden not signing Jones. Doesn't make any sense. Jones got signed in late July, they had 2 months to figure out how to trim some cap. Look at the stupid moves the Hawks made this year. You can trim cap pretty easily if you are willing to make bad trades. They proved it.
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I think the Oilers played a huge part in the overpays....With Chicago not retaining any money it gave the Hawks a lot of cap cushion to pay top dollar and then we added Caleb to sweeten the deal (not a huge loss to us, but a good chip for Chicago). Jones was the first domino to drop.
The market has gotten better since.
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Maybe but I just don't see how it made a difference. I don't see the Hawks management trading Keith then it hits them to overpay for Jones. His last season in Columbus, he had 28 points in 56 games which in 82 is 41 pts. The year before that he was on pace for 44 pts, the year before that he scored 46 in 75 games all while playing meh defense. Last year in 78 games he has 51 pts while playing pretty meh defense. Before the trade and contract, he was a a 40-50 pt right shot dman that plays mediocre defense and this past season he proved it. So I don't see how getting rid of Keith a couple of weeks earlier changes the fact they decided to give him 9.5 mill dollars when the numbers didn't back that up ever. It was a stupid contract by a management team that once again this year did more stupid moves. I just don't see the Hawks have 8 mill in mind for Jones, then the Oilers call up for Keith and they go "Well awesome, now we can give him 9.5".
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Dragon_Matt
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It didn't 'hit them' to overpay Jones. They gave away the farm. They would have offered the smaller farm, had they been more restricted by having Keith, or part of Keith, on their books. He was overpaid because they had the room. Then the cascade of overpaid defensemen carried on.
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inverno76
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 30 November 2022 10:17 |
It didn't 'hit them' to overpay Jones. They gave away the farm. They would have offered the smaller farm, had they been more restricted by having Keith, or part of Keith, on their books. He was overpaid because they had the room. Then the cascade of overpaid defensemen carried on.
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Thank you. This was the sentiment I was trying to share, but lacked the words.
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NCREDiBLE
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Registered: February 2007
Location: Cold Lake, AB
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I was at this game as the wife got me tickets for my birthday and wow, this game had it all was the greatest game I been to. The drama from Tkachuk and then falling into the boards. McDavid scoring the most beautiful goal I seen live and then 4.4 seconds left and tying the game!!! The place erupted! Then for Drai to win in ot! Was an amazing night. One funny part was the lady in red who stood up and unzipped her best to reveal a panthers t shirt and the placed booed her like crazy hahaha. Not sure if that was on tv but was hilarious.
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