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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740699 is a reply to message #740687 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740700 is a reply to message #740699 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

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Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740702 is a reply to message #740700 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:25

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

I would be fine with anything but the first. The fact is that even a 2nd round pick has a small chance of being an impact player.
The more I think about it the more I like this deal.
- I honestly dont know how he could be worse than Lucic and if he returns to being a capable top 6 winger he is instantly our 2nd best after Drai
- if he is terrible the buyout is A. Possible B. palatable where lucic was not
- the extra spot in the expansion draft is pretty huge

Outside of Lucic scoring the game winning goal...on April 4th ...to knock the Oilers out ...and put the Flames in the playoffs
not much could ruin this from me seeing a win of a trade.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740703 is a reply to message #740700 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740704 is a reply to message #740703 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

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Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740707 is a reply to message #740704 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:34

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

While it (the dead money)ends up being about the same the way it is spread out for Neal makes it much more doable.
Math is here;
https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1152318608229294080

Getting out of the cap issues are much easier if they needed to buy out Neal

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740710 is a reply to message #740707 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:39

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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:34

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

While it (the dead money)ends up being about the same the way it is spread out for Neal makes it much more doable.
Math is here;
https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1152318608229294080

Getting out of the cap issues are much easier if they needed to buy out Neal

I suppose. I just hope we don’t need to consider it for 3 years. Be nice to get 60 plus goals over those 3 seasons.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740715 is a reply to message #740710 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:53

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:39

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:34

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

While it (the dead money)ends up being about the same the way it is spread out for Neal makes it much more doable.
Math is here;
https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1152318608229294080

Getting out of the cap issues are much easier if they needed to buy out Neal

I suppose. I just hope we don’t need to consider it for 3 years. Be nice to get 60 plus goals over those 3 seasons.

Agree 100%. I am hopeful he can click in the top 6 and be a useful player

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740709 is a reply to message #740704 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:38

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

Neal is a MUCH better buyout. No signing bonuses, so he's just a $1.9MM cap hit for 8 years (6 years if this happens next year). The actual dollars suck, but that's fine. It's not you or me that pay them.

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	
2019-20	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2020-21	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2021-22	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2022-23	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2025-26	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2026-27	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
TOTAL	$23,000,000	$23,000,000	$0	$15,333,333	$15,333,333	$7,666,667	$15,333,336

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/james-neal#res ults

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740712 is a reply to message #740709 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:41

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Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:38

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:31

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:27

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

What worries me is that it's apparently conditional. I could see that being a first with the ability to push it back a year if it looks like we're going to have a really high pick again. Not sure what a different condition could be - we give them an upgraded pick if we buy out Neal? It also makes sense with the Oilers sitting on this information all day while freely handing out the information that will make everyone happy...

We can’t even consider another buyout. This dead money is approaching a Lucic contract.

Neal is a MUCH better buyout. No signing bonuses, so he's just a $1.9MM cap hit for 8 years (6 years if this happens next year). The actual dollars suck, but that's fine. It's not you or me that pay them.

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	
2019-20	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2020-21	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2021-22	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2022-23	$5,750,000	$5,750,000	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	$3,833,333	$1,916,667
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2025-26	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
2026-27	$0	$0	$0	$1,916,667	$1,916,667	-$1,916,667	$1,916,667
TOTAL	$23,000,000	$23,000,000	$0	$15,333,333	$15,333,333	$7,666,667	$15,333,336

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/james-neal#res ults

Any chance Chiarelli makes a deal like this? Haha.

I still want some return on this deal before we buy it out. Be nice to see a couple rebound seasons.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740718 is a reply to message #740700 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:32

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

Hey you never know, wasn’t Lucic a 2nd round pick?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740719 is a reply to message #740718 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:32

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

Hey you never know, wasn’t Lucic a 2nd round pick?

Ironically he was the Oilers 2nd round pick that they had traded for Samsonov.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740720 is a reply to message #740719 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

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oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:32

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

Hey you never know, wasn’t Lucic a 2nd round pick?

Ironically he was the Oilers 2nd round pick that they had traded for Samsonov.

Conditional 3rd according to Oiler twitter

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740721 is a reply to message #740720 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:38

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:32

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

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Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

Hey you never know, wasn’t Lucic a 2nd round pick?

Ironically he was the Oilers 2nd round pick that they had traded for Samsonov.

Conditional 3rd according to Oiler twitter

Aaron Vickers @AAVickers
#Flames announce they've acquired Lucic from the Oilers along with a conditional third round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft in exchange for Neal. Edmonton will also retains 12.5% of Lucic’s remaining contract.

So 0.75M retained.

Neal + retained = 6.5M
Lucic = 5.25M

Would be fair I guess if Lucic was demanding to keep his NMC in Calgary. If that's the case, it's pretty amazing to get rid of him without giving up a good piece like a top prospect or 1st round pick.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740722 is a reply to message #740721 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:42

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:38

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:36

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:32

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Okay - now what's the pick? That's the last piece here we need to know.

So far, this is all good news...if that's a first round pick, then less so!

Even a 2nd and I’m leery. We are from a playoff team.

Hey you never know, wasn’t Lucic a 2nd round pick?

Ironically he was the Oilers 2nd round pick that they had traded for Samsonov.

Conditional 3rd according to Oiler twitter

Aaron Vickers @AAVickers
#Flames announce they've acquired Lucic from the Oilers along with a conditional third round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft in exchange for Neal. Edmonton will also retains 12.5% of Lucic’s remaining contract.

So 0.75M retained.

Neal + retained = 6.5M
Lucic = 5.25M

I just hope Neal is able to get past this. Getting traded for Lucic has to be embarrassing.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740723 is a reply to message #740722 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:53

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How long until the media, and followers of the media, start grousing about the need for a big body to protect other players and cause trouble down low?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740724 is a reply to message #740723 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 17:59

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:53

How long until the media, and followers of the media, start grousing about the need for a big body to protect other players and cause trouble down low?

Hope they don't, because Lucic wasn't helping in that aspect at all here. Kassian did 20 times the work in extra-curricular stuff here the last couple years. Looch was busy trying to show his skillz and score points to justify his pay.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740727 is a reply to message #740724 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:14

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 17:53

How long until the media, and followers of the media, start grousing about the need for a big body to protect other players and cause trouble down low?

Hope they don't, because Lucic wasn't helping in that aspect at all here. Kassian did 20 times the work in extra-curricular stuff here the last couple years. Looch was busy trying to show his skillz and score points to justify his pay.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740734 is a reply to message #740724 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 19:02

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Maroon basically checked Looch's boxes when he was here, then yes, Kassianto a degree.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740689 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:19

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Gregor was getting really mad at people for lumping him in with media guys that thought an Oilers/Flames trade was in the works. He was proud to be in the group that thought any oilers/flames talk was just unsubstantiated rumors

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incorrect on last line..I've stated for weeks it was never a thing. Some others might have, but don't lump all together. :)

Gregor has been out to lunch all summer so far, lol. He said 100% we were not taking Broberg based on his "sources". Yesterday his "sources" said Lucic trade talk quiet. Likely he was wrong about the bonus being paid this week to Lucic too, he was working overtime trying to convince the world it was paid July 1st.

Kinda funny. His "source" is trolling him I think.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740695 is a reply to message #740689 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:58

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I am in shock. I didn't think it was possible. I am hearing the Oilers had to throw in a pick and maybe retain 600K. If that is the case, I still think it's a good deal.

In my opinion, best case scenario for Lucic was he produced at a 3rd liner level this year. They tried him for 2 years giving him top 6 mins and PP time and it didn't work and his production got worse. Except for last season, Neal was a 20+ goal scorer every year. Last season Neal didn't seem to click with the coach, he didn't get a lot of PP time and got very little time in the top 6. He's going to play in the Oilers top 6, he's going to be playing with a good centre and he's going to get PP time. So there is a real good chance he can score 20+ goals like he typically does. Another pro to Neal, he doesn't have to be protected in the expansion draft like Lucic potentially had to be.

I am sure Lucic will be motivated and maybe has a better year but there the Oilers need a top 6 player and he's not one. I am shocked he waved to move 3 hours down the highway. I see this as an Oilers win all day long.

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:55

Can the #BigRig come home now?

This.

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I'm thrilled Lucic is gone and Neal is the return. I say this based on contract alone. Oilers cap hit is a little higher on the retention and Neal's contract, but it's shorter and he's not protected in the expansion draft, which is a big deal as Lucic was.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740706 is a reply to message #740696 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 16:34

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Be interested to find out if Lucic retained his NMC. From what I’ve read he can keep it if the trading team decides to honour it. They place an addendum on his current contract and it carries over. If they don’t and the player ie. Lucic wants out bad enough he will lose it.

A full NMC hurts the Flames in a bad bad way.

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:34

Be interested to find out if Lucic retained his NMC. From what I’ve read he can keep it if the trading team decides to honour it. They place an addendum on his current contract and it carries over. If they don’t and the player ie. Lucic wants out bad enough he will lose it.

A full NMC hurts the Flames in a bad bad way.

Here's hoping he told Calgary the only way he waives is if they accept it back again on their side of the fence!

(I assume it's gone though - it would be imprudent to leave it there with an expansion draft looming).

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Here's an interview the day before the All-Star game back in 2018 when Neal was with the Knights, I remember Neal playing with McDavid and they clicked pretty good. He talks about McDavid near the end of this clip.

It sounds like they have trained together in the off season as well. Neal put up 25 goals the season before this one and I don't really think the time has passed him by. hopefully he comes into camp in shape.

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 16:42

Here's an interview the day before the All-Star game back in 2018 when Neal was with the Knights, I remember Neal playing with McDavid and they clicked pretty good. He talks about McDavid near the end of this clip.

It sounds like they have trained together in the off season as well. Neal put up 25 goals the season before this one and I don't really think the time has passed him by. hopefully he comes into camp in shape.

Cant find it now but I saw a pic on twitter today of the two of them together. Post said it was them hanging out about a week ago

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740725 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:06

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Curious if being able to bury Neal in the minors if we want to was part of the argument for retention. Neal has zero conditions on his contract. We can trade him to anyone, any time, and put him through waivers on to the Condors.

Can't look past how we have got out of having to protect Lucic in the Seattle expansion too. That was on track to cause us a lot of headaches.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740726 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:10

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His agent, Gerry Johansson, confirmed to me the Flames will honour the NMC. Not surprising, most teams do. #NHL https://twitter.com/SteveDodd/status/1152364972338368512 …

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740729 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:20

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From The Athletic article:

The Oilers retained 12 and a half percent of Lucic’s $6 million annual salary (Calgary is paying Lucic $5.25 million, while Edmonton is paying Neal $5.75 million). The Flames will also get a third-round draft choice if Neal outscores Lucic by 10 or more goals next season.

I can live with that condition.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740732 is a reply to message #740729 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:44

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:20

From The Athletic article:

The Oilers retained 12 and a half percent of Lucic’s $6 million annual salary (Calgary is paying Lucic $5.25 million, while Edmonton is paying Neal $5.75 million). The Flames will also get a third-round draft choice if Neal outscores Lucic by 10 or more goals next season.

I can live with that condition.

Hm, it's actually better than that:

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Two conditions have to be met for Oilers to send 3rd round pick to Calgary - James Neal has to record at least 21 goals and Lucic scores at least 10 fewer goals than Neal.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740735 is a reply to message #740732 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 19:06

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:44

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:20

From The Athletic article:

The Oilers retained 12 and a half percent of Lucic’s $6 million annual salary (Calgary is paying Lucic $5.25 million, while Edmonton is paying Neal $5.75 million). The Flames will also get a third-round draft choice if Neal outscores Lucic by 10 or more goals next season.

I can live with that condition.

Hm, it's actually better than that:

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Two conditions have to be met for Oilers to send 3rd round pick to Calgary - James Neal has to record at least 21 goals and Lucic scores at least 10 fewer goals than Neal.

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I'll be thrilled if we have to give that pick up.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740759 is a reply to message #740735 ]	Sat, 20 July 2019 04:13

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Adam wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:06

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:44

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:20

From The Athletic article:

The Oilers retained 12 and a half percent of Lucic’s $6 million annual salary (Calgary is paying Lucic $5.25 million, while Edmonton is paying Neal $5.75 million). The Flames will also get a third-round draft choice if Neal outscores Lucic by 10 or more goals next season.

I can live with that condition.

Hm, it's actually better than that:

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Two conditions have to be met for Oilers to send 3rd round pick to Calgary - James Neal has to record at least 21 goals and Lucic scores at least 10 fewer goals than Neal.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1AsElwgf3qkDOotW/giphy.gif

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I'll be thrilled if we have to give that pick up.

Betting against Lucic regaining any kind of form! Hahahahahaha.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740730 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:24

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So when we play the Flames this season, does Lucic have to answer the bell for the dirty play by Giordano on McDavid that he didn’t make Giordano answer for as an Oiler?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740731 is a reply to message #740730 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:26

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:24

So when we play the Flames this season, does Lucic have to answer the bell for the dirty play by Giordano on McDavid that he didn’t make Giordano answer for as an Oiler?

If we start mixing things up I think Archibald better watch out. Lucic might slash him a couple times behind the play so he can get kicked out of the game.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740733 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 18:58

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The Looch has spoken:
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/play-my-game-play-hard-be-ph ysical/c-308305740

Quote:

"What I wanted,'' the newest Flame, Milan Lucic, is explaining from the family's off-season ocean-side digs in Manhattan Beach, Calif., "is to walk into a situation where I could just focus on playing and helping the team win.

"When I arrived in Edmonton three years ago I was really excited, believe me. I wanted it to work, so badly, but - in retrospect - maybe I put too much on my plate.

"Looking back now, I think I put too much pressure on myself, trying to be this … guy.

"This leader. This player. This power forward. This big presence off the ice. All this type of stuff.

"I didn't feel like myself at all.

"I'm not blaming anyone there for that. Whatsoever. I just bit off more than I could chew.

"And I think in this situation I can just be myself. Just go about my business; play my game. Play hard. Be physical. Be a good teammate.

"That was definitely one of the things really appealing for me."

...

"In order for me to move on from Edmonton it was important to go to a contending team, a team that was playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis,'' he emphasizes. "Throughout my career that's brought out the best in me and in my game.

"This is a bit more of an older team, with an older captain, which I had in Boston with Zdeno (Chara). Gio is coming off his best year, winning the Norris Trophy - and deservedly so. That's a great starting point for any team.

"Missing the playoffs three of the last four years … I don't want to do that anymore. As I said, I want to be playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis and with the excitement and energy I can bring I think this will revitalize me and help this team take the next step."

I guess he thinks the Flames are a better situation for him to be a passenger and still be able to be a part of winning.

Could be right.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740737 is a reply to message #740733 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 19:09

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:58

The Looch has spoken:
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/play-my-game-play-hard-be-ph ysical/c-308305740

Quote:

"What I wanted,'' the newest Flame, Milan Lucic, is explaining from the family's off-season ocean-side digs in Manhattan Beach, Calif., "is to walk into a situation where I could just focus on playing and helping the team win.

"When I arrived in Edmonton three years ago I was really excited, believe me. I wanted it to work, so badly, but - in retrospect - maybe I put too much on my plate.

"Looking back now, I think I put too much pressure on myself, trying to be this … guy.

"This leader. This player. This power forward. This big presence off the ice. All this type of stuff.

"I didn't feel like myself at all.

"I'm not blaming anyone there for that. Whatsoever. I just bit off more than I could chew.

"And I think in this situation I can just be myself. Just go about my business; play my game. Play hard. Be physical. Be a good teammate.

"That was definitely one of the things really appealing for me."

...

"In order for me to move on from Edmonton it was important to go to a contending team, a team that was playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis,'' he emphasizes. "Throughout my career that's brought out the best in me and in my game.

"This is a bit more of an older team, with an older captain, which I had in Boston with Zdeno (Chara). Gio is coming off his best year, winning the Norris Trophy - and deservedly so. That's a great starting point for any team.

"Missing the playoffs three of the last four years … I don't want to do that anymore. As I said, I want to be playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis and with the excitement and energy I can bring I think this will revitalize me and help this team take the next step."

I guess he thinks the Flames are a better situation for him to be a passenger and still be able to be a part of winning.

Could be right.

I read that as “I’m not a difference-maker, I’m a passenger and unable to be part of the solution in Edmonton”. Which frankly is the truth.

Normally I would wish him well but since it’s the flames I hope he continues his rapid decline but stays healthy and off LTIR

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740764 is a reply to message #740737 ]	Sat, 20 July 2019 09:54

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:58

The Looch has spoken:
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/play-my-game-play-hard-be-ph ysical/c-308305740

Quote:

"What I wanted,'' the newest Flame, Milan Lucic, is explaining from the family's off-season ocean-side digs in Manhattan Beach, Calif., "is to walk into a situation where I could just focus on playing and helping the team win.

"When I arrived in Edmonton three years ago I was really excited, believe me. I wanted it to work, so badly, but - in retrospect - maybe I put too much on my plate.

"Looking back now, I think I put too much pressure on myself, trying to be this … guy.

"This leader. This player. This power forward. This big presence off the ice. All this type of stuff.

"I didn't feel like myself at all.

"I'm not blaming anyone there for that. Whatsoever. I just bit off more than I could chew.

"And I think in this situation I can just be myself. Just go about my business; play my game. Play hard. Be physical. Be a good teammate.

"That was definitely one of the things really appealing for me."

...

"In order for me to move on from Edmonton it was important to go to a contending team, a team that was playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis,'' he emphasizes. "Throughout my career that's brought out the best in me and in my game.

"This is a bit more of an older team, with an older captain, which I had in Boston with Zdeno (Chara). Gio is coming off his best year, winning the Norris Trophy - and deservedly so. That's a great starting point for any team.

"Missing the playoffs three of the last four years … I don't want to do that anymore. As I said, I want to be playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis and with the excitement and energy I can bring I think this will revitalize me and help this team take the next step."

I guess he thinks the Flames are a better situation for him to be a passenger and still be able to be a part of winning.

Could be right.

I read that as “I’m not a difference-maker, I’m a passenger and unable to be part of the solution in Edmonton”. Which frankly is the truth.

Normally I would wish him well but since it’s the flames I hope he continues his rapid decline but stays healthy and off LTIR

THat comment about how the flames have an older captain...not sure I like that. I guess he was really out of his element being expected to be a leader. Who could have predicted that? Guy always talked a big game, but he needed to hide behind a strong group of veterans like he had in LA and Boston.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740770 is a reply to message #740764 ]	Sat, 20 July 2019 11:33

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 July 2019 09:54

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 19:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 18:58

The Looch has spoken:
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/play-my-game-play-hard-be-ph ysical/c-308305740

Quote:

"What I wanted,'' the newest Flame, Milan Lucic, is explaining from the family's off-season ocean-side digs in Manhattan Beach, Calif., "is to walk into a situation where I could just focus on playing and helping the team win.

"When I arrived in Edmonton three years ago I was really excited, believe me. I wanted it to work, so badly, but - in retrospect - maybe I put too much on my plate.

"Looking back now, I think I put too much pressure on myself, trying to be this … guy.

"This leader. This player. This power forward. This big presence off the ice. All this type of stuff.

"I didn't feel like myself at all.

"I'm not blaming anyone there for that. Whatsoever. I just bit off more than I could chew.

"And I think in this situation I can just be myself. Just go about my business; play my game. Play hard. Be physical. Be a good teammate.

"That was definitely one of the things really appealing for me."

...

"In order for me to move on from Edmonton it was important to go to a contending team, a team that was playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis,'' he emphasizes. "Throughout my career that's brought out the best in me and in my game.

"This is a bit more of an older team, with an older captain, which I had in Boston with Zdeno (Chara). Gio is coming off his best year, winning the Norris Trophy - and deservedly so. That's a great starting point for any team.

"Missing the playoffs three of the last four years … I don't want to do that anymore. As I said, I want to be playing meaningful hockey on a night-to-night basis and with the excitement and energy I can bring I think this will revitalize me and help this team take the next step."

I guess he thinks the Flames are a better situation for him to be a passenger and still be able to be a part of winning.

Could be right.

I read that as “I’m not a difference-maker, I’m a passenger and unable to be part of the solution in Edmonton”. Which frankly is the truth.

Normally I would wish him well but since it’s the flames I hope he continues his rapid decline but stays healthy and off LTIR

THat comment about how the flames have an older captain...not sure I like that. I guess he was really out of his element being expected to be a leader. Who could have predicted that? Guy always talked a big game, but he needed to hide behind a strong group of veterans like he had in LA and Boston.

I never got the sense that Lucic is exactly a Rhodes scholar. I think he’s along the same lines as Ryan Smyth. Not smart, and with a big sense of entitlement from hearing so many times how great he is, what a leader he is, etc. but without actually having much for real leadership qualities other than trying hard. Lucic, like Ference before him, was cast as a dressing room leader before being in the dressing room and without even knowing most of the guys yet. He’s not an overly charismatic guy, and so I think it unlikely his mere presence inspired anyone.

Apparently Matt Benning told an event several months ago that he and Caggiula were taken for lunch by Lucic in their rookie season. At that lunch he told them that they weren’t going to be friends because they might get traded or not make it and Lucic didn’t really want to get attached. The story was told in an entertaining way - this weird thing happened to me at work sort of thing - but still...

Apparently Neal can be prickly and arrogant and hasn’t always fit in to dressing rooms too but I think the change here is better for everyone (and really, I’m just still so thrilled Lucic is gone.)

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740772 is a reply to message #740770 ]	Sat, 20 July 2019 12:17

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Adam wrote on Sat, 20 July 2019 11:33

I never got the sense that Lucic is exactly a Rhodes scholar. I think he’s along the same lines as Ryan Smyth. Not smart, and with a big sense of entitlement from hearing so many times how great he is, what a leader he is, etc. but without actually having much for real leadership qualities other than trying hard. Lucic, like Ference before him, was cast as a dressing room leader before being in the dressing room and without even knowing most of the guys yet. He’s not an overly charismatic guy, and so I think it unlikely his mere presence inspired anyone.

Apparently Matt Benning told an event several months ago that he and Caggiula were taken for lunch by Lucic in their rookie season. At that lunch he told them that they weren’t going to be friends because they might get traded or not make it and Lucic didn’t really want to get attached. The story was told in an entertaining way - this weird thing happened to me at work sort of thing - but still...

Apparently Neal can be prickly and arrogant and hasn’t always fit in to dressing rooms too but I think the change here is better for everyone (and really, I’m just still so thrilled Lucic is gone.)

Hehe, wow, that's...a weird story. I assume he is not saying he will get attached, but rather he is implying that these young kids might get too attached to his amazinness and he doesn't want to have to break their poor little hearts.

I guess the only real positives we have heard about Lucic's influence was about his fitness level.

Would love to know how he interacted with Jesse :) Nielen on 1260 is claiming that Looch was yelling at Pulju all the time.

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