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Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715987]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

g2k
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As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715988 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.

Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715989 is a reply to message #715988 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:20

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.

Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?

Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715990 is a reply to message #715989 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:27

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Adam wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:20

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.

Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?

Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.

Interesting idea. Do we actually know the Oilers have been a profitable venture for Katz since he bought them? Maybe he was willing to operate them at a loss to get the arena built to support his real estate play downtown, but now that that's done are the Oilers on a budget?

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715992 is a reply to message #715989 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:42

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Adam wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:20

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.

Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?

Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.

I imagine this is more about loyalty to the player giving him a (no) chance to get back to the NHL. I'd rather see him burried in the AHL/ECHL but 300K of cap space will not kill the team. It does go back to the bad extension, I think Chia needs a poster on his wall

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715994 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:48

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Wow had to decipher that this was about Eric Gryba.

I thought this was something about Grabner or Grabovski (is that guy still around?).

Saving 300K? Da hell.

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715996 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 10:48

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Hmmm.

Option 1: demote him and have 0 cap hit for 1 year.

Option 2: Buyout and get 300k cap hit for 2 years.

I think the choice is clear.

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716004 is a reply to message #715996 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 11:35

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:48

Hmmm.

Option 1: demote him and have 0 cap hit for 1 year.

Option 2: Buyout and get 300k cap hit for 2 years.

I think the choice is clear.

Can't say I disagree. In PC's world of curious moves, this is less visible on the radar, less punishing to the franchise. He remains consistent, though, doesn't he?

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716000 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 11:23

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Okay I had no idea who Grabs was, it's Eric Gryba.

I bet I'm not the only one lost either.

Um.. am...um.. am I?

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716001 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 11:25

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Katz saves 600k to move over to Red Wine budget.

Coffey isn’t doing this for the goodness of his health after all.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716009 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 12:14

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Maybe this is just a sign that the Oilers are being run as a business now? The only benefit to this move is saving Katz some money, at the cost of extra cap hit the team really should avoid at all costs.

In the end last year, staying way under the cap probably cancelled out the profits Katz lost by the team not making the playoffs.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716017 is a reply to message #716009 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:23

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

You know what else would be a sign that the Oilers were being run like a business? If they eliminated any of the 17 members of the OBC that currently work for the team. There's got to be at least $300k in salary in that group.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716019 is a reply to message #716017 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:26

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Goose wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 13:23

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

More like $300K.. Each!

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716026 is a reply to message #716019 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:57

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:26

Goose wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 13:23

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

More like $300K.. Each!

That red wine doesn't pay for itself.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716016 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

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Unfair to Gryba to be buried in the minors and watch whats left of a career tick away on him, I think he can play on a lot of teams, and will find a job. Good form shown by Oil to give him a chance to play back in the NHL. Always liked Gryba, not fast feet, decent defender, heavy hitter, and quick to stand up for teammates, always.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716038 is a reply to message #716016 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 16:55

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

I get what you are saying, but this franchise really needs to be in the business of winning and wise business moves, not the “league nice guys”..

Sure, call it a class move, but this organization has had way more classless moves the past decade.

This falls under “dumb” for me.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716049 is a reply to message #716038 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 19:11

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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

Agreed. Just about as dumb as the Pouliot buyout.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716051 is a reply to message #716049 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 19:25

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Mike wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:11

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

Agreed. Just about as dumb as the Pouliot buyout.

I would argue it's more dumb. The options were 0 cap hit for 1 year, or 300k for 2 years. We pick 300k for 2 years...because reasons.

You even give him the shot to be picked up buy putting him on waivers. That's pretty fair. If a team wants to give him a shot, he is a cap hit that can be buried any time. If he isn't picked up then, what chance does he have as a free agent?

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #742563 is a reply to message #716051 ]	Wed, 11 September 2019 19:47

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And the Gryba saga continues. He's earned himself a PTO with the Calgary Flames.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-set-to-open-training- camp/c-309075326

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Goaltenders

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50 - Artyom Zagidulin

70 - Nick Schneider

82 - Tyler Parsons

Defencemen

6 - Brandon Davidson

37 - Rinat Valiev

43 - Andrew Nielsen

45 - Alexander Yelesin

54 - Corey Schueneman (AHL)

57 - Robert Hamilton (AHL)

62 - Eric Gryba *

94 - Zac Leslie (AHL)

I wish I could make a joke about Gryba and Davidson auditioning as a pair for regular ice time with Calgary, but just having Lucic down there is satisfying enough.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #742564 is a reply to message #742563 ]	Wed, 11 September 2019 20:11

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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 11 September 2019 19:47

Probably just there to throw dirty hits in preseason for the flames.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #743034 is a reply to message #742564 ]	Thu, 19 September 2019 10:22

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 11 September 2019 20:11

[

Probably just there to throw dirty hits in preseason for the flames.[/quote]

Mission accomplished. The Flames have dumped Gryba.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #743036 is a reply to message #743034 ]	Thu, 19 September 2019 11:21

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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 19 September 2019 10:22

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 11 September 2019 20:11

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Probably just there to throw dirty hits in preseason for the flames.

Mission accomplished. The Flames have dumped Gryba.
[/quote]
We're still gonna pay him $300k though this year so he'll be okay.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #743201 is a reply to message #743036 ]	Tue, 24 September 2019 01:06

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 19 September 2019 11:21

GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 19 September 2019 10:22

Mission accomplished. The Flames have dumped Gryba.

We're still gonna pay him $300k though this year so he'll be okay.

He's announced his retirement from the NHL now. It's sure nice of the Oilers to send him off with that kind of payment...

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716020 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:32

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Problem wasn't getting rid of him, but how it was done. Retain 300k this year, no cap next year, in some sort of trade. Tell his agent to find a club interested and trade him for an ECHL player on an expiring contract. Loan him to a team in Europe.

Or, let him live with the hard result of signing a 2-year deal and getting paid 900k to play hockey. You owe it to your team and fans to do right by the Oilers organization.

300k isn't going to make or break the team, but its once again a little bit more that adds up. Mostly, it is just concerning because it doesn't make a lick of sense, and this man is still calling the shots.

Its just bizarre to me that Nikitin and Fayne get buried, but Gryba is just too much. It is bizarre to me that you take a contract that expires next year, is completely able to be buried with no cap hit, and you put 300k on the cap for each of the next two years to save a couple dollars.

But maybe Keegan Lowe needs a position in Bakersfield now and having Gryba and Stanton there as vets already was too much. You couldn't not re-sign Keegan after all.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716023 is a reply to message #716020 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 14:40

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:32

But maybe Keegan Lowe needs a position in Bakersfield now and having Gryba and Stanton there as vets already was too much. You couldn't not re-sign Keegan after all.

"Not re-sign"? Do you know who his father is!?! How dare you even express the very notion that Keegan could have been discarded!

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716052 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Thu, 21 June 2018 19:26

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I think Chia got a conscience and cut his buddy loose so he can find work elsewhere as opposed to leaving him in the minors. Not good business. My brother used to tell me Chia was useless and I defended him but seeing hall last night plus the ebs/Lucic deals he needs to be run out of town. Total garbage.

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Re: Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #716563 is a reply to message #715987 ]	Sun, 01 July 2018 21:25

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/devils-sign-eric-gryba-1 -year-contract/

Can someone make ANY sense out of this now? Apparently there was a market for Eric Gryba - and one in which a team was willing to pay him $700,000. If Chia had simply traded Gryba to New Jersey and retained $200,000 worth of salary, he would have saved the team $600,000 cash payout to the player, as well as saved $100,000 in cap space this year and $300,000 more cap space next year.

There's still not a really good reason to do it, because the team isn't really benefited at all by the move, but it still would have looked an awful lot better.

Instead, we buy out Gryba, adding yet another cut to our squandered cap space, and then sign a guy who's basically a younger version of Gryba.

Chia is truly incompetent.

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