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Edmonton @ Colorado (Game #24) [message #839261] |
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 tardigrade81
Messages: 2293
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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That was a impressive win..Skinner was fantastic
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Kr55
Messages: 10813
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2024 22:36 |
That was a impressive win..Skinner was fantastic
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He's back!?!
Everyone humming tonight. Nice to see in b2b, and Avs were PO'd after a loss last game too. impressive game and win.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Suomalainen
Messages: 901
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
No Cups
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I had to listen to the game, as it was blacked out locally, and it sounded great...
97.
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watchman
Messages: 1437
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
1 Cup
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2024 22:36 |
That was a impressive win..Skinner was fantastic
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...yes, THAT version of SKINNER will win games all by himself. Not much to be negative about at all. Good work.
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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inverno76
Messages: 2346
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2024 22:36 |
That was a impressive win..Skinner was fantastic
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Skinner got better and better throughout. Too often we see this going the other way. Hopefully it’s a building block for Stu.
POD is the man. Holloway is doing well in St. Louis, but if this continues I won’t complain over spilt milk. Also Nurse …. Geebus, he's looking serviceable on that 2nd pair. McDavid is next level.
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NetBOG
Messages: 2962
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
2 Cups
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Big win. Finally pass the 'Lames. Lets turn this into a run.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2293
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
2 Cups
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If Skinner plays like this going forward, we will be a problem for anyone. Big test against Vegas next. See what happens.
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PlusOne
Messages: 1596
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask
1 Cup
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| inverno76 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2024 23:41 |
Holloway is doing well in St. Louis
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Is he though?
I dont pay attention to ex-Oilers much but I saw he got dropped in both my fantasy leagues in the last month or two. When I saw your comment I went and had a look at his stats and he has 7G-6A-13P.
He recently went 6 games without a point and 13 without a goal. His TOI is all over the place but he looks to be in the 16/17 min quite often. He is 5th among ST.L forwards for TOI so it seems he is getting some opportunity.
Fancy stats don't give much of a picture outside of average.
Dont get me wrong, 7G would put him third on the Oilers but I dont think he would have been a game changer on this team.
I haven't watched the Blues play much so I am curious how he is playing in ways that might not show up in a box score.
I think him and Broberg will always be under a different scrutiny because they left as RFA's and it's unique but I still think it was the right move to walk away.
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Adam
Messages: 7181
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
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| PlusOne wrote on Sun, 01 December 2024 13:15 |
| inverno76 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2024 23:41 |
Holloway is doing well in St. Louis
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Is he though?
I dont pay attention to ex-Oilers much but I saw he got dropped in both my fantasy leagues in the last month or two. When I saw your comment I went and had a look at his stats and he has 7G-6A-13P.
He recently went 6 games without a point and 13 without a goal. His TOI is all over the place but he looks to be in the 16/17 min quite often. He is 5th among ST.L forwards for TOI so it seems he is getting some opportunity.
Fancy stats don't give much of a picture outside of average.
Dont get me wrong, 7G would put him third on the Oilers but I dont think he would have been a game changer on this team.
I haven't watched the Blues play much so I am curious how he is playing in ways that might not show up in a box score.
I think him and Broberg will always be under a different scrutiny because they left as RFA's and it's unique but I still think it was the right move to walk away.
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There's a weird thing we do here in Edmonton where we track just about every player who leaves and we either trash them if they're not playing well, or die about it if they do have a good stretch.
It's not just fans - the media guys do it too. They'll flat out cheerlead against certain players after they go (Hemsky, Puljujarvi, Yakupov) and they'll talk up the ones they feel got away (Broberg the most recent obvious example). By far they prefer ripping on ex-Oilers, even if the narrative doesn't really fit. All those offensive dmen over the years have been a favourite topic.
Anyhow, it's a fool's game, especially with depth guys. It's unlikely they would play the same role here, get the same minutes, get the same special teams pushes, similar linemates, etc.
Maybe Holloway is top-6 here if he's here, but let's remember, we've had him here for 89 games over two seasons and he got Top-6 ice time at most, 4-5 times in the regular season. He got a bit more of a push in last year's playoffs, but some of that was after the Oilers started taking injuries. Even then, his playoff stats weren't that impressive, especially given the top lines push - he had 7 points in 25 playoff games.
Sometimes it seems an easy cudgel on management - I think of Cogliano, who the media was ready to pack his bags when he left, but who they hyped up and praised the rest of his career. I think it was fair to complain about the Oilers believing that Eric Belanger was the piece that made him redundant here, and while I disagree with the media guys' narrative that he'd have never been able to learn to be a two-way forward if he hadn't left, I do think it's hard to know if he'd have done as well or not because he'd have had a totally different set of facts.
With Holloway (and Broberg), it's important to remember that they forced the decision on the Oilers at a time where the Oilers are trying to convince all their best players to give up a little cash on their next deal. I agree that the team could have made things easier on themselves by giving those two players more of a push early to see if they had what it takes, and then maybe they both sign at reasonable numbers before it gets to offer sheet territory, but last summer the players put a gun to the organizations head, and if we'd matched, it's hard to believe that it ends well for us.
Podkolzin hasn't had as much of a hot streak as Holloway started the season on, and so he only has 8 points to Holloway's 13. He's also half the cap hit though. Emberson is less than a third of Broberg's cap hit and shoots right. Again, not a perfect player and Broberg's early season pace was great. But I don't know that we need to follow their career game by game the rest of the way. I'm pretty comfortable that the Oilers needed to move on at this point. If we don't win the Cup this year, the difference isn't Dylan Holloway or Philip Broberg.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 770
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
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There's one caveat to add to Broberg receiving an offer sheet however. Squarely on management too. If they had simply not allowed him to play one single game of the previous season, he would have been exempt from offer sheets. When you're a GM paid 5 million per year, with a staff as well paid as Oilers front office, you have to know that. Even if it's a tiny risk, it was a completely avoidable risk if they knew, or incompetent management if they missed it.
So glad he's gone. I sure hope Bowman shows better judgement.
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Kr55
Messages: 10813
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 11:26 |
There's one caveat to add to Broberg receiving an offer sheet however. Squarely on management too. If they had simply not allowed him to play one single game of the previous season, he would have been exempt from offer sheets. When you're a GM paid 5 million per year, with a staff as well paid as Oilers front office, you have to know that. Even if it's a tiny risk, it was a completely avoidable risk if they knew, or incompetent management if they missed it.
So glad he's gone. I sure hope Bowman shows better judgement.
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What happens if we forced him to play in the AHL all year though? He probably demands a trade and outright refuses to extend here. Maybe no offer sheet comes, but we probably get the same return we just got for him with the OS in a trade. He would look like a weak almost failed prospect.
If we did believe in this player, we should have invested a lot more time into him and had a better relationship. I still think the failing on both these guys roots back to us drafting them in the 1st place :) Holloway a little less of a bad move, he was ranked around where we took him and nothing spectacular was obviously there at the pick.
I still don't really like the hockey IQ of either player. I think both were classic Oiler picks of physical attributes (speed) over brains. Both can be replaced for at or lower than what St Louis gave them, and we probably already did that with Holloway.
[Updated on: Mon, 02 December 2024 12:05]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 770
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
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You didn't have to send Broberg to the AHL, just sit him the last game of the regular season. Even if the rumours of him refusing to sign an extension earlier in the season were true, we'd have held significantly more leverage over him.
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Kr55
Messages: 10813
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 13:12 |
You didn't have to send Broberg to the AHL, just sit him the last game of the regular season. Even if the rumours of him refusing to sign an extension earlier in the season were true, we'd have held significantly more leverage over him.
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Oh, he just needed 1 less regular season game played? lol. I missed that then and 100% agree, that's some next level stupidity by the org, and perfectly compliments Holland's lazy "everything will just work out cause I have the best players" GM'ing approach.
[Updated on: Mon, 02 December 2024 13:17]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7810
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 13:15 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 13:12 |
You didn't have to send Broberg to the AHL, just sit him the last game of the regular season. Even if the rumours of him refusing to sign an extension earlier in the season were true, we'd have held significantly more leverage over him.
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Oh, he just needed 1 less game played? lol. I missed that then and 100% agree, that's some next level stupidity by the org.
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Just looking at his game log they didn't think of him well enough to let him play in Edmonton from Nov 22 to Apr 17, but absolutely needed him for the last two games? Dumb.
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Adam
Messages: 7181
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 13:15 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 02 December 2024 13:12 |
You didn't have to send Broberg to the AHL, just sit him the last game of the regular season. Even if the rumours of him refusing to sign an extension earlier in the season were true, we'd have held significantly more leverage over him.
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Oh, he just needed 1 less regular season game played? lol. I missed that then and 100% agree, that's some next level stupidity by the org, and perfectly compliments Holland's lazy "everything will just work out cause I have the best players" GM'ing approach.
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This was a rumour at the end of last season, but I'm pretty sure it got debunked.
We'd pretty much burnt the bridges with that player over the prior two seasons. He felt jerked around and like we didn't give him a fair chance. Probably cost him a lot of money to spend all that time in the AHL too. We can talk about how we could have done something to save Holloway, but I think Broberg was always going to be happy to leave.
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