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 Larsson a Kraken [message #789646]
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That’s what I just woke up and saw as well. It’s been a tremendous off-season so far for Kenny.


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This offseason going swimmingly so far, and we haven't even made it to the draft yet! Sweet!


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Mike wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:46

This offseason going swimmingly so far, and we haven't even made it to the draft yet! Sweet!



At least we do not have a lot of draft capital to throw away.



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The Keith-Barrie pairing may set a record for worst advanced stats in league history


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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:47

Mike wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:46

This offseason going swimmingly so far, and we haven't even made it to the draft yet! Sweet!



At least we do not have a lot of draft capital to throw away.

And the Oilers don’t lose anyone in the expansion draft!



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What we've gained so far: An old, declining Duncan Keith and a very unlikely NHL prospect in Soderlund

What have we lost: An in his prime Adam Larsson who has improved greatly in the last two years, a legitimate developing D prospect in Jones and a 3rd rounder.

What is Holland doing?

Honestly, I don't get this plan. Keith has a higher cap hit and isn't as good of a player as Larsson is at this point. And the contract that he signed with Seattle is really good value, imo.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:56

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:47

Mike wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:46

This offseason going swimmingly so far, and we haven't even made it to the draft yet! Sweet!



At least we do not have a lot of draft capital to throw away.

And the Oilers don’t lose anyone in the expansion draft!


Well, we keep Benson, so yay?

Larsson leaving for virtually the same money that was on offer here. That’s absolutely damning on management, because it suggests he feels he has as good a chance to win Cups on an expansion team as he does here. Maybe not all the players were completely of a mind that Keith is a phenomenal pickup.




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4x4 is good value. No way the Oilers didn’t give Larsson the same or better offer. Larsson wanted out of this org. Kinda can’t blame him haha.

Now let’s head over to the consolation bin and overpay for Dougie Hamilton so we can really add a cherry to the top of this crapshow off-season sundae!



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HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:59

What we've gained so far: An old, declining Duncan Keith and a very unlikely NHL prospect in Soderlund

What have we lost: An in his prime Adam Larsson who has improved greatly in the last two years, a legitimate developing D prospect in Jones and a 3rd rounder.

What is Holland doing?

Honestly, I don't get this plan. Keith has a higher cap hit and isn't as good of a player as Larsson is at this point. And the contract that he signed with Seattle is really good value, imo.


The Oilers are already making sure Rishaug and Spector are reporting that they offered the same money. They want you to know that the player really wanted to leave and that it wasn’t because of them lowballing. We are going to hear “Change of scenery” a lot in the next couple days, but it’s probably worth asking why someone would go to an expansion team over re-signing in a team with the best player in the world.



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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789656 is a reply to message #789655 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:05

HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:59

What we've gained so far: An old, declining Duncan Keith and a very unlikely NHL prospect in Soderlund

What have we lost: An in his prime Adam Larsson who has improved greatly in the last two years, a legitimate developing D prospect in Jones and a 3rd rounder.

What is Holland doing?

Honestly, I don't get this plan. Keith has a higher cap hit and isn't as good of a player as Larsson is at this point. And the contract that he signed with Seattle is really good value, imo.


The Oilers are already making sure Rishaug and Spector are reporting that they offered the same money. They want you to know that the player really wanted to leave and that it wasn’t because of them lowballing. We are going to hear “Change of scenery” a lot in the next couple days, but it’s probably worth asking why someone would go to an expansion team over re-signing in a team with the best player in the world.


An expansion team for which he doesn't even know the makeup. Unless Francis shared his picks with Larsson (which I doubt).

As for stuff lost - a 3rd for sure, but maybe a 2nd. And because of that, if we want to upgrade at the deadline, BOTH picks are not available for us to make a deal.

And almost an extra $2M in cap space.

What an utter disaster of an offseason. Bunch of idiots.



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All the fans pissing on Larsson all these years got their wish, he's gone. But hey, now we get to see Benson not make the team again. Woohoo!!!

Definitely did not expect this and pretty unhappy at the moment.



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Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:19

Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)


Hey, Bob Stauffer told me it was basically Hall for Larsson, Lucic and Cap Space. Now we have even more cap space and James Neal!!!!



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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:22

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:19

Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)


Hey, Bob Stauffer told me it was basically Hall for Larsson, Lucic and Cap Space. Now we have even more cap space and James Neal!!!!

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?

[Updated on: Wed, 21 July 2021 08:41]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


Now now RD... don't let your mood drag Adam into it. I'm not happy about it either and I do think our management still are a bunch of fools. When the Keith trade happened (I immediately turned on Holland BTW) I'm sure that affected Larsson decision to resign here and also it's impossible to think that Holland now has to fill bigger holes in the roster than when the season ended.

This is a bad day for the team. It's also equally bad that we have Holland signing guys 35+ to play for the team because you know vets are blah blah blah



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I am ok with not having Larsson the player - assume he is replaced with anyone but Barrie. What is telling to me, is that this franchise is still rotten at its core. For someone to chose not to play with two of the best tells a lot about the city and culture. Maybe more of the city as if u asked me to live in Seattle vs Edmonton I would chose Seattle anyway.


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So our D right now looks something like this?

Nurse - ?
Keith - Bear
Russell - Bouchard

Sure hope there is help coming for 1RD and they're not going to bump Bear & Bouchard up a slot.



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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


Now now RD... don't let your mood drag Adam into it. I'm not happy about it either and I do think our management still are a bunch of fools. When the Keith trade happened (I immediately turned on Holland BTW) I'm sure that affected Larsson decision to resign here and also it's impossible to think that Holland now has to fill bigger holes in the roster than when the season ended.

This is a bad day for the team. It's also equally bad that we have Holland signing guys 35+ to play for the team because you know vets are blah blah blah

I have been told MANY a time how Larsson is not that good, not worth the money, how his style of dman is archaic, not important and overrated and how Bouchard and especially Bear are superior.

If Larsson's style of play isn't important anymore and Bear is superior, then he should be able to fill Larsson's spot with out a problem and the Oilers will be better for it. I guess we will find out won't we.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 July 2021 08:54]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:52

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


Now now RD... don't let your mood drag Adam into it. I'm not happy about it either and I do think our management still are a bunch of fools. When the Keith trade happened (I immediately turned on Holland BTW) I'm sure that affected Larsson decision to resign here and also it's impossible to think that Holland now has to fill bigger holes in the roster than when the season ended.

This is a bad day for the team. It's also equally bad that we have Holland signing guys 35+ to play for the team because you know vets are blah blah blah

I have been told MANY a time how Larsson is not that good, not worth the money, how his style of dman is archaic, not important and overrated and how Bouchard and especially Bear are superior.

If Larsson's style of play isn't important anymore and Bear is superior, then he should be able to fill Larsson's spot with out a problem and the Oilers will be better for it. I guess we will find out won't we.

Oliers better hope the remaining young D are ready to step into the lineup. Things are looking bleak.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:22

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:19

Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)


Hey, Bob Stauffer told me it was basically Hall for Larsson, Lucic and Cap Space. Now we have even more cap space and James Neal!!!!

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


It would be a mistake to chew up yet another thread with a bunch of snarky comments from you, so I'm not going to spend all day responding. That said, Bear being better than Larsson doesn't mean that Larsson had no value. You always seem to think that if someone says X is better than Y that that somehow reduces Y's value to nil...but in fact, you need multiple RD on the team. If we had a greater sample size of viewings on Bouchard, maybe you could be comfortable seeing Larsson sail in to the sunset because you have Bouchard step up and take a larger role, but we haven't seen that and it's usually better to break in rookies with weaker opposition.

Signing someone like Barrie, who also needs weaker competition means that the heavy lifting required by Bear - who is himself a younger defenceman still - is extreme. We have virtually no one else at RD right now. The rest of the good prospects are LD, so it leaves a big hole to patch.

If it makes you feel better about losing Larsson and the direction this management is trending, then you can continue to misrepresent my views to your heart's content though.



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Someone needs to study the ultimate returns on 4 first overall picks for the Oilers. Yak, who they didn't need and should have traded the pick, returned Stuart Skinner (indirectly). Hall got them Larsson, and now nothing.

Good thing Nuge stayed, and I guess we'll see about MCdavid in a couple years.



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:47

I am ok with not having Larsson the player - assume he is replaced with anyone but Barrie. What is telling to me, is that this franchise is still rotten at its core. For someone to chose not to play with two of the best tells a lot about the city and culture. Maybe more of the city as if u asked me to live in Seattle vs Edmonton I would chose Seattle anyway.


It ain't the city.

These guys aren't getting tons of time during the season to hang around the Boeing Museum or Pike Place.

It may be one small factor, but we've had enough good players sign here and re-sign here over the years. If people felt we were on the precipice of winning Cups, we would be seeing more interest in signing here. But the dinosaurs running the team aren't moving us any closer, despite having a couple of the best players in the game.



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I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:50

So our D right now looks something like this?

Nurse - ?
Keith - Bear
Russell - Bouchard

Sure hope there is help coming for 1RD and they're not going to bump Bear & Bouchard up a slot.


Would be very hard to try to get a legit top paid D right now. Got a feeling it'll be Nurse-Bear now unless we sign Barrie. Plan may have been Nurse-Bear anyways if we signed Larsson.

I think I would try hard to get a good defensive guy to play with Keith. Depending on Keith to be the reliable defensive guy is a huge risk now. He has not been the defensive conscience of a D pair for a while out. He's out playing loose trying to relive his offensive days (and has been failing).

I think I would try to get Hamonic. He played better in Vancouver than Calgary and wants to be close to home. Could sign cheap. Gives more money to try to fix the forward group. How many players would have gone Calgary -> Vancouver -> Edmonton in 3 seasons? :)



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:03

I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.


We probably could have given Larsson a piece of that 5.5M we committed to Keith to get him to stay. Sounds like we were only offering equal money to Seattle, so it just came down to Larsson deciding if he wanted a fresh start or not. That is a bummer for sure.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:56

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:47

Mike wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 07:46

This offseason going swimmingly so far, and we haven't even made it to the draft yet! Sweet!



At least we do not have a lot of draft capital to throw away.

And the Oilers don’t lose anyone in the expansion draft!


Well, we keep Benson, so yay?

Larsson leaving for virtually the same money that was on offer here. That’s absolutely damning on management, because it suggests he feels he has as good a chance to win Cups on an expansion team as he does here. Maybe not all the players were completely of a mind that Keith is a phenomenal pickup.




Nice, finally get to realize the maximum overripeness.

Gotta update this 1 year old Benson team photo. It's all black and shriveled now.

https://i.ibb.co/FWcttmJ/overripe-Benson.jpg



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I was concerned about this until I remembered Holland saying you can't go for it every year. We just need to realize that 2021-22 isn't the year for Edmonton to go all out. We're just looking for some positive momentum. Maybe winning a playoff game this time around. Maybe even a series in 2022-23!


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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:22

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:19

Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)


Hey, Bob Stauffer told me it was basically Hall for Larsson, Lucic and Cap Space. Now we have even more cap space and James Neal!!!!

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


It would be a mistake to chew up yet another thread with a bunch of snarky comments from you, so I'm not going to spend all day responding. That said, Bear being better than Larsson doesn't mean that Larsson had no value. You always seem to think that if someone says X is better than Y that that somehow reduces Y's value to nil...but in fact, you need multiple RD on the team. If we had a greater sample size of viewings on Bouchard, maybe you could be comfortable seeing Larsson sail in to the sunset because you have Bouchard step up and take a larger role, but we haven't seen that and it's usually better to break in rookies with weaker opposition.

Signing someone like Barrie, who also needs weaker competition means that the heavy lifting required by Bear - who is himself a younger defenceman still - is extreme. We have virtually no one else at RD right now. The rest of the good prospects are LD, so it leaves a big hole to patch.

If it makes you feel better about losing Larsson and the direction this management is trending, then you can continue to misrepresent my views to your heart's content though.


So I misrepresented what you said. I guess someone took control of your account then on that day in the Adam Larsson extension thread, message #784919.

"Agreed with this. Bear is better than Larsson already. Larsson is limited in what he can do, because he isn't a very good puck-mover and he relies a lot on his defence partner to advance the puck. His usage for a lot of this year is something I dislike seeing from Tippett, because when he plays with guys like Russell, they are in a never-ending cycle of dump it out and then defend again.

Bouchard - it's too early to tell, but I think he could quickly surpass Larsson, especially if you go out more than one year. You really have to hope he does - because he's the great white hope for Oilers RD.

I do think Klefbom is miles ahead of Larsson in importance - if we lost one of the two to Seattle, I'd much rather see #6 go. I believe the winds are blowing towards a successful return for Klefbom - and while he's likely to have some rust on him, he's still an important player and could really solidify our LD side. I am still pretty worried he ends up in Seattle, because if he is unprotected, he's worth the gamble for them versus the leftovers we're offering them up otherwise. Unlike Matheson, I don't think there's a hope in hell that Seattle takes Josh Archibald - and if they do, I'm rejoicing."

So good news, they didn't lose Klefbom who's way more important than Larsson as he sits on LTIR for this season and maybe the next.



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There's a possibility Larsson doesn't sign until after Expansion and the Kraken also select Klef...


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Does this open up the potential to sign a Savard or Mountour?

That's the only way I can see this somehow working out. If we end up with Barrie, then it's obvious the pro scouting staff and management are out to lunch in terms of what this team needs.

Can Hamonic still play top 4 minutes? He'd definitely want to come here and would be cheap.



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:36

Does this open up the potential to sign a Savard or Mountour?

That's the only way I can see this somehow working out. If we end up with Barrie, then it's obvious the pro scouting staff and management are out to lunch in terms of what this team needs.

Can Hamonic still play top 4 minutes? He'd definitely want to come here and would be cheap.


I take back my Hamonic recommendation. Looks like he was pretty bad last year. 30% CF and 30 xGF% away from Hughes. Not good stats with Hughes either. He might be pretty close to done.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:40

mazankowski wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:36

Does this open up the potential to sign a Savard or Mountour?

That's the only way I can see this somehow working out. If we end up with Barrie, then it's obvious the pro scouting staff and management are out to lunch in terms of what this team needs.

Can Hamonic still play top 4 minutes? He'd definitely want to come here and would be cheap.


I take back my Hamonic recommendation. Looks like he was pretty bad last year. 30% CF and 30 xGF% away from Hughes. Not good stats with Hughes either. He might be pretty close to done.

Is he old though? That's the sort of intangible there are no advanced stats for.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:40

mazankowski wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:36

Does this open up the potential to sign a Savard or Mountour?

That's the only way I can see this somehow working out. If we end up with Barrie, then it's obvious the pro scouting staff and management are out to lunch in terms of what this team needs.

Can Hamonic still play top 4 minutes? He'd definitely want to come here and would be cheap.


I take back my Hamonic recommendation. Looks like he was pretty bad last year. 30% CF and 30 xGF% away from Hughes. Not good stats with Hughes either. He might be pretty close to done.

Is he old though? That's the sort of intangible there are no advanced stats for.


Only 30. 31 in August. We can check him out again in 7 years.



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Larsson's dad did die suddenly in Edmonton I think it was 2 years ago on their annual dad's. I could see wanting a change of scenery for that alone. They were supposedly super tight. Bad memories.


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:40

mazankowski wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:36

Does this open up the potential to sign a Savard or Mountour?

That's the only way I can see this somehow working out. If we end up with Barrie, then it's obvious the pro scouting staff and management are out to lunch in terms of what this team needs.

Can Hamonic still play top 4 minutes? He'd definitely want to come here and would be cheap.


I take back my Hamonic recommendation. Looks like he was pretty bad last year. 30% CF and 30 xGF% away from Hughes. Not good stats with Hughes either. He might be pretty close to done.


Then perhaps the trade doors open. Ristolainen perhaps as a stop gap?



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:03

I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.


We probably could have given Larsson a piece of that 5.5M we committed to Keith to get him to stay. Sounds like we were only offering equal money to Seattle, so it just came down to Larsson deciding if he wanted a fresh start or not. That is a bummer for sure.


Share the frustration but this is logically inconsistent. The Oilers aren’t PAYING Keith 5.5. I think there’s a lot of truth to the rumour that the purse strings are tightened, so the real dollars vs cap dollars is quite possibly a major thing for the franchise.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:28

There's a possibility Larsson doesn't sign until after Expansion and the Kraken also select Klef...

Heh. Maybe Benson.



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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:50

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:07

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:03

I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.


We probably could have given Larsson a piece of that 5.5M we committed to Keith to get him to stay. Sounds like we were only offering equal money to Seattle, so it just came down to Larsson deciding if he wanted a fresh start or not. That is a bummer for sure.


Share the frustration but this is logically inconsistent. The Oilers aren’t PAYING Keith 5.5. I think there’s a lot of truth to the rumour that the purse strings are tightened, so the real dollars vs cap dollars is quite possibly a major thing for the franchise.


If we're taking on guys like Keith to try to save some real cash at the cost of bad cap hit then this team is more doomed than I thought.



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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:50

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:07

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:03

I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.


We probably could have given Larsson a piece of that 5.5M we committed to Keith to get him to stay. Sounds like we were only offering equal money to Seattle, so it just came down to Larsson deciding if he wanted a fresh start or not. That is a bummer for sure.


Share the frustration but this is logically inconsistent. The Oilers aren’t PAYING Keith 5.5. I think there’s a lot of truth to the rumour that the purse strings are tightened, so the real dollars vs cap dollars is quite possibly a major thing for the franchise.

If that's the actual truth they should trade mcavid and draisaitl away. If the owner can't afford to run a hockey team it's insulting to the top players to keep them here through the primes of their careers.



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