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 Kr55
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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
EDM claims Zykov
Lots of Cans fans are really mad at how Zykov has been handled. Put up good numbers in the AHL (33 goals in 63 games last year), had a good pre-season, but from game 1 of the regular season he barely got a shot, so they say (floating between 11 and 4 mins per game all season). Basically how many of us view Pulju under McLellan.
Worth a shot. Right handed LW with a good shot.
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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inverno76
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6 foot 1 225lbs. Skates well. Offensive player.
Rolling the dice on another pick up. Decent gamble, but why wasn’t he stickng in Carolina where they need offence?
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Kr55
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| inverno76 wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 10:12 |
6 foot 1 225lbs. Skates well. Offensive player.
Rolling the dice on another pick up. Decent gamble, but why wasn’t he stickng in Carolina where they need offence?
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Yeah, no idea. Just saw lots of Canes fans complaining about him never getting a fair shot this year, and judging by ice time, he really didn't if he did indeed have a good pre-season.
Highlights of him from last year
Looks like he scores the most right around the net.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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CrusaderPi
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He's signed for this year and next at an AAV of 675k and will be an RFA at the end of it. I like low risk moves.
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....would guess Patrick Russell gets sent back to Bakersfield....Russell's cap hit is $700K, so the Oilers would come out of that with $25K more in salary cap space....
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It will all depend on his speed, if he's got wheels, he'll likely provide a better option than a few guys on this current roster because he looks like he has some finish.
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Seems like Chiarelli is just throwing crap at the wall lately to see what will stick .. Spooner .. Wideman.. now Zykov .. great name for Scrabble pts..
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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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| Magnum wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 13:40 |
Seriously, I don’t know who the GM is right now.
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I know right.
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 10:44 |
It will all depend on his speed, if he's got wheels, he'll likely provide a better option than a few guys on this current roster because he looks like he has some finish.
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Seems like Chiarelli is just throwing crap at the wall lately to see what will stick .. Spooner .. Wideman.. now Zykov .. great name for Scrabble pts..
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I don't think he's very fast. I think you have to hope he is a Maroon type of guy for us. Having good timing when to go to the net and able to finish stuff off.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 09:20 |
| inverno76 wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 10:12 |
6 foot 1 225lbs. Skates well. Offensive player.
Rolling the dice on another pick up. Decent gamble, but why wasn’t he stickng in Carolina where they need offence?
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Yeah, no idea. Just saw lots of Canes fans complaining about him never getting a fair shot this year, and judging by ice time, he really didn't if he did indeed have a good pre-season.
Highlights of him from last year
Looks like he scores the most right around the net.
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Looks like he has quick hands ... me likey ..
Here's one's scout comments from his draft year, was CHL rookie of teh year as a 17 year old, 40 goals...
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Scout’s take: “Zykov is a big, strong winger with great hands and a big shot,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He can be a very exciting player to watch and excels in high speed offensive situations. He has the hands to win space with moves but can also power his way to the middle and crash the net. He is a very dangerous shooter who can get the puck off quickly and seems to hit his spots more often than not. His defensive commitment and awareness needs to improve and he will need to get stronger to be able to play the style that has made him so successful at the next level.”
“He’s one of the few players that scored 40 goals this year, not only in the Quebec league, but in the CHL – he was kind of in a class all his own,” adds David Burstyn, director of scouting for McKeen’s Hockey. “Where Zykov really thrives is down low; he’s an absolute force on the puck. He’s very strong on his skates and he’s very strong on his stick. He can get his shot off almost in an instant. The one thing that can plague his game is he can sometimes play with tunnel vision and he doesn’t always see the pass. He’s a shoot-first type of player.”
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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
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He's a right shot as well, which is useful.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
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Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 11:10 |
He's a right shot as well, which is useful.
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He lacks open ice skating generally, not very mobile laterally and it takes a little time to get up to speed.
That’s his real flaw. To me it was more the lack of mobility than speed. He doesn’t change direction very quickly, to be fair though he looked better this year like he had worked on it.
He’s very good playing the NHL cycle game. Very good hands, sees the play well and can make good plays in tight spaces. He’s a great finisher around the net. Redirects and rebounds, as well as a very good shot. Below the dots in the offensive zone he’s pretty solid. Everywhere else he’s a question mark. It’s borderline embarrassing we lost him on waivers depending on how he does with you guys obviously. Brind’Amour wouldn’t play him. We don’t understand why, he looked pretty legit last year and aside from a slow start when everyone else started hot he didn’t do anything wrong. He never got a second chance.
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Sounds like Russian Maroon
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 10:44 |
Seems like Chiarelli is just throwing crap at the wall lately to see what will stick .. Spooner, Wideman, now Zykov...
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It really is starting to remind me of MacTavish’s reign of error when there was another move almost every week.
For what it’s worth, I like this gamble. Also, glad it happened now and not while McLellan was in charge. His record with Russian players is absolutely miserable.
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Low price point and may have some offensive upside. Well worth giving him a shot based on reports.
Maybe a change of scenery will spark him.
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| stotto wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
Low price point and may have some offensive upside. Well worth giving him a shot based on reports.
Maybe a change of scenery will spark him.
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Like Spooner!
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
| stotto wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
Low price point and may have some offensive upside. Well worth giving him a shot based on reports.
Maybe a change of scenery will spark him.
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Like Spooner!
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Like Strome :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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"Just saw lots of Canes fans complaining about him never getting a fair shot this year"
Does remind you of the Puli situation in Edmonton. ( big guy, right handed shot ) How's his english? Oh right, we have a new coach. I see it as a low risk gamble and a good one at the price point. Watched the scoring video and really like how he doesn't hot dog like he just won the Stanley Cup after a goal and looks like he has a fast, accurate release. There's huge room for improvement on this team, especially the bottom 6 so it's a great opportunity for him and for the Oilers. Look forward to seeing him play here. Russel is too slow for the NHL.
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 11:16 |
| stotto wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
Low price point and may have some offensive upside. Well worth giving him a shot based on reports.
Maybe a change of scenery will spark him.
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Like Spooner!
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LOL, yeah the judgement on the trade didn't take much time, bust.
It had to be more guys than just Chiarelli that OK'd that trade in their valuation of Spooner, like Kieth Gretzky, pro-scouts, to get it so wrong makes you worry Kieth Gretzky will be just as bad a GM once Chiarelli is toasted.
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
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Fun Fact.
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Zykov beat out Connor McDavid for CHL Rookie of the Year honors in 2013
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Traded by Kings at age 20 to rent Kris Versteeg.
Given up on by Canes.
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| NetBOG wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 15:42 |
Traded by Kings at age 20 to rent Kris Versteeg.
Given up on by Canes.
I'm happy to take a longer look, but I'm not expecting much.
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Kings traded him for Versteeg looking to get go on another run.
It appears he was down in the A for a conditioning stint, to be recalled he had to have been placed on and clear waivers, no? Wouldn't say they gave up on him if I'm correct on that and that they took the risk to get him back with the big club.
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:35 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
| stotto wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 12:16 |
Low price point and may have some offensive upside. Well worth giving him a shot based on reports.
Maybe a change of scenery will spark him.
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Like Spooner!
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Like Strome :)
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Let's hope not. I was never much of a Strome fan but so far Spooner has not shown a change of scenery to be much of a help in turning around his game.
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| NetBOG wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 14:42 |
Traded by Kings at age 20 to rent Kris Versteeg.
Given up on by Canes.
I'm happy to take a longer look, but I'm not expecting much.
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From a strictly numbers perspective, based on his AHL & NHL production, I'm not sure how much more you gain with him coming into the lineup than Ty Rattie coming out of the press box. Very similar boxcars.
That said, he's probably better than Patrick Russell at the least, and probably others in the bottom 6, and there is very little risk. I'm not opposed to it, and I'm hoping for good things, but I'm very much in the "wait and see" mindset before declaring it a big win.
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| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 15:00 |
It appears he was down in the A for a conditioning stint, to be recalled he had to have been placed on and clear waivers, no? Wouldn't say they gave up on him if I'm correct on that and that they took the risk to get him back with the big club.
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My understanding is you don't have to clear for a conditioning stint. If he were to stay down there, he'd have to clear waivers (which is probably why he was on them for the Oilers to claim).
The new CBA doesn't have re-entry waivers, because they wanted to avoid the Wade Redden situation where he was buried forever and ever. You have to clear waivers to be assigned to the AHL, but once you clear, you can be recalled to the NHL without having to go on waivers again.
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 01 December 2018 12:36 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 15:00 |
It appears he was down in the A for a conditioning stint, to be recalled he had to have been placed on and clear waivers, no? Wouldn't say they gave up on him if I'm correct on that and that they took the risk to get him back with the big club.
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My understanding is you don't have to clear for a conditioning stint. If he were to stay down there, he'd have to clear waivers (which is probably why he was on them for the Oilers to claim).
The new CBA doesn't have re-entry waivers, because they wanted to avoid the Wade Redden situation where he was buried forever and ever. You have to clear waivers to be assigned to the AHL, but once you clear, you can be recalled to the NHL without having to go on waivers again.
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Players on conditioning stints are technically still on the 23-man roster, so no waivers, and he takes up a spot.
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| Adam wrote on Sat, 01 December 2018 19:33 |
| mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 01 December 2018 12:36 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 15:00 |
It appears he was down in the A for a conditioning stint, to be recalled he had to have been placed on and clear waivers, no? Wouldn't say they gave up on him if I'm correct on that and that they took the risk to get him back with the big club.
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My understanding is you don't have to clear for a conditioning stint. If he were to stay down there, he'd have to clear waivers (which is probably why he was on them for the Oilers to claim).
The new CBA doesn't have re-entry waivers, because they wanted to avoid the Wade Redden situation where he was buried forever and ever. You have to clear waivers to be assigned to the AHL, but once you clear, you can be recalled to the NHL without having to go on waivers again.
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Players on conditioning stints are technically still on the 23-man roster, so no waivers, and he takes up a spot.
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I stand corrected! Thanks MR and Adam.
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Guess Zykov can't get his work visa yet. Still can't be on our roster.
*insert joke about how it would have been quicker to come illegally here*
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 02 December 2018 21:10 |
Guess Zykov can't get his work visa yet. Still can't be on our roster.
*insert joke about how it would have been quicker to come illegally here*
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....so Patrick Russell gets to come back and join the Oilers for Monday night's game in Dallas....
https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-patrick-russell-recalle d-from-bakersfield-ahl/c-302531368?tid=281885168
...."The Oilers sent out a release on Sunday which noted the following:
The Edmonton Oilers have recalled forward Patrick Russell from the AHL's Bakersfield Condors.
Forward Valentin Zykov will not travel with the team due to immigration and remains a non roster player."...
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| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 02 December 2018 21:10 |
Guess Zykov can't get his work visa yet. Still can't be on our roster.
*insert joke about how it would have been quicker to come illegally here*
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That wouldn’t help, he’d be stuck in a Toronto hotel.
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Kr55
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Ahhh, back to familiar territory. 48/50 contracts :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 12:25 |
Ahhh, back to familiar territory. 48/50 contracts :)
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So glad we signed the lesser Vesey and lesser Larkin...it would have been a shame if we'd let one of those guys get away:
Nolan Vesey
AHL Condors - 4GP 0-1-1
ECHL Thunder - 11GP 1-1-2
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 14:19 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 12:25 |
Ahhh, back to familiar territory. 48/50 contracts :)
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So glad we signed the lesser Vesey and lesser Larkin...it would have been a shame if we'd let one of those guys get away:
Nolan Vesey
AHL Condors - 4GP 0-1-1
ECHL Thunder - 11GP 1-1-2
Colin Larkin
AHL Condors - zilch
ECHL Thunder - 13GP 0-5-5
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Turns out Esposito isn't on the 50-man like I thought.
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| ziltoid wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 14:23 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 14:19 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 December 2018 12:25 |
Ahhh, back to familiar territory. 48/50 contracts :)
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So glad we signed the lesser Vesey and lesser Larkin...it would have been a shame if we'd let one of those guys get away:
Nolan Vesey
AHL Condors - 4GP 0-1-1
ECHL Thunder - 11GP 1-1-2
Colin Larkin
AHL Condors - zilch
ECHL Thunder - 13GP 0-5-5
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Turns out Esposito isn't on the 50-man like I thought.
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AHL-only contract. Still pretty good result for a camp walk-on. I'm sure his lineage didn't have anything to do with it.
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I'm surprised that no one has brought up the fact that Zykov was the player picked by the Kings with the pick that MacT turned into five draft picks back in 2013. So, if he can become a regular, he'll surpass the total number of NHL games played by either side of that trade by the end of his contract. (Slepyshev = 102 games; Yakimov = 1 game)
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I like the gamble. Took nothing to get him. A big, right shooting, winger who is good in the corners,protects the puck well, has a good shot and has some skill. Had 33 goals and 54 pts in 63 AHL games. If they could get a 3rd liner out of him, great.
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Gregor, on Twitter, Zykov is cleated to play in Canada and will make his debut tomorrow.
ALSO says MRI to come for Drake’s hand, concern it may not be a short term thing.
Would instantly give Zykov a shot with RNH and JP.
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So long and thanks for all the fish, I guess. Nothing was lost but opportunity.
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I actually liked what I saw in his first game with the Oilers. Then his ice time went down drastically. Right now it seem like the Oilers are just in desperation to get some secondary scoring, the 4th liners are the ones paying the price.
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