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Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826886]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:00

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826889 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:06

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OilFans wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:00

If I had to predict the Woodcroft post game scrum.

“I see a team that blaa blaa blaa”
“I saw a team that is blaa blaa blaaing”
“I found optimism in blaa blaa blaa”
“I give credit to blaa blaa blaa”
“As a coaching staff we feel collectively that blaa blaa blaa”

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826891 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:07

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10th anniversary of "Chop Wood, Carry Water"

Holland should go first of course

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826892 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:08

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After the post game scrum I want Jackson to announce that Nicholson and Holland are getting fired out of a cannon across San Francisco Bay and Paul Coffey is not in the future plans of the organization.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826893 is a reply to message #826892 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:09

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At the very least Holland no longer has decision making power.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826894 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:10

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Goodbye Woody. We barely knew you.

I don't think there's any chance he survives this. With any justice, Holland goes too, but I don't know if the Oilers have the sense to do that.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826895 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:13

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826896 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:14

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Season is over man.

We need a 7 game win streak just to get to .500.

How are we supposed to endure 70 more games of this knowing it’s the end of 97/29?

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826898 is a reply to message #826896 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:20

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:14

Season is over man.

We need a 7 game win streak just to get to .500.

How are we supposed to endure 70 more games of this knowing it’s the end of 97/29?

Well, there's a lot of time left in the year. St Louis was dead last in the league at New Year's the year they won the Cup, and they didn't have Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. The team has lost 3-4 games where they've basically had double the shots of their opponent - in every game they have stretches where they absolutely look dominant (usually followed up by a quick goal against on the first opportunity). They're dead last in the league in PDO, so they've had zero luck and terrible netminding.

I think McDavid is still hurt, maybe Draisaitl is too (he seems to lack jump in his step the last couple of games). They get healthy, the luck shifts a little, we find someone who can actually stop a puck occasionally...all of a sudden we could be right back in the playoff picture.

In short, I wouldn't give up the season yet, but the team could use some bold moves and new leadership at the top.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826897 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:17

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I keep telling my friends and acquaintances in what's about half Canuck land here in Victoria, that certainly, they'll still make playoffs and if a streak like this happens in December, we don't freak out as much about it.

After this game, I'm not so sure I can continue saying that, already having doubts about my premise before this game at coffee this morning.

My Oiler fan friend bet on the Sharks, my Leaf fan friend bet on the Oilers. As least the chirping will be enjoyable. There is more to hockey than just winning, right... I'm not even so sure I was entertained by this 60 minute performance.

I'm not at all on the fire Woodcroft bandwagon, but wouldn't be surprised if something gives eventually. We don't have more than a one day break in the schedule for a week and then a three day break to start December. Nothing in there ideal for a sudden change in coaching staff to me, just due to a play every second day pace nearly until Christmas. The Campbell demotion was not even considered realistic and here we are. What next? I guess the story keeps me hooked.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826899 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:20

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I think I’ll intentionally miss my first Oilers game in maybe 30 years on Saturday.

I’ve missed maybe 5 in that time and all unintentionally or by circumstance. Out of country. PVR didn’t record. I’ve found ways to stream in Egypt. I am finally broken.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826900 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:25

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Gazdic with some good lines calling out how we felt the need to advertise our change from man on man to zone defense. That teams should be able to adapt their system game to game, not be talking about a single system. The whole sequence of events from Vegas embarrassing and exposing our lame man on man to a point they could talk about us doing it in interviews and then just proceed to exploit it more kinda showed me Woody sucks at adjusting. And how we felt the need to advertise our shiny new zone defense and the results kind of shows Woody isn't much more than a cheerleader coach.

The cheerleader is great at keeping things rolling when the stars align and everyone is feeling good. motivational 1-liners just roll with ease. But disaster when things are going bad, and he is just left waiting for the good to come back to cheerlead again.

That said, Holland first.

[Updated on: Thu, 09 November 2023 23:29]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826903 is a reply to message #826900 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:35

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:25

Speaking of cheerleaders, Jack Michaels was disgusting to listen to tonight:

"We know the Oilers rally is coming!"

"Maybe that's the goal that starts the comeback that revives the Oilers season!"

And I feel like if you ask him, Skinner (and probably Campbell) haven't had a prayer's chance of stopping any of the goals that have got past them this year. They're all just perfect shots I guess. What can you do?

There's almost no play-by-play guys worse on the TV broadcasts than Michaels. Just dreadful. His complete lack of objectivity is awful.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826906 is a reply to message #826903 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:49

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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:35

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:25

When he’s not calling the play, which is most the time, he’s a boot lick.

And Safe Louie.

“The Sharks have great sticks tonight.”

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826907 is a reply to message #826906 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 00:07

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Paid employees have a bias? No kidding. I cheerlead for my employer too. Next thing you know you’re going to be telling me media gives favorable coverage when they get more access.

We need to step back and really appreciate how fully and completely this team has collapsed. We’re watching a masterpiece.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826908 is a reply to message #826907 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 00:21

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How do you fix this? Like seriously.

Can’t stop a puck.

Can’t defend our zone.

Can’t beat their goalie.

Can’t make a trade (cap locked).

Can’t coach way out of this.

Holy bleep.

Professional lives are gonna be ruined this year.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826912 is a reply to message #826908 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 08:26

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 00:21

No one could fix this. If anything didn't go to plan this year there was no contingency. It really was an all or nothing season. Sadly, Woody is (probably) going to pay the price for a bad goalie signing, Skinner being a sophmore, Nurse's contract, Desharnais' immobility, Cece and Kulak being just ok as defenders, Bouchard's poor decision making, Ekholm's back, McDavid being injured, the bottom eight just not being very good, Brown being not ready to play, and not being able to carry any pressbox players.

Woody's fault.

The messaging has to be 'this team is the team, the answer has to come from inside this room'. Like you said, there are no alternatives.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826913 is a reply to message #826912 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 08:44

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 08:26

nullterm wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 00:21

You heard a little of that from the Oilers last night. Nugent-Hopkins basically said as much and that he has confidence in the team.

The shots were 41-18 again last night, so there's definitely a luck element to all of this. The team is dramatically outplaying their opponents in many of these games and still losing. It is coming down to a couple mistakes each night because right now in game after game we're seeing great netminding against us, and brutal netminding behind us. And then the game can turn on a single blooper, especially because the confidence level is so low.

If they fire Woodcroft - and I think they will today - I could see the next coach getting a really favourable bounceback. Not because they have done anything different, but because at some point if you get 40-45 shots a game, they're going to start going in at some point.

I'm not of the belief this team is out of the running this year, because while there's been a couple of horrendous games this year, they're actually outplaying many teams for 75% of the game. If we start scoring, we can like last year outscore our problems a lot of games. If we were also to get a goalie who can stop a puck? Watch out. (Of course, given that was a known issue it would have been a lot better to get a goalie in the summer...)

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826916 is a reply to message #826913 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 09:24

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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 08:44

It's not luck. They're a bad hockey team. They're not getting goalied against a string of backups and the Sharks, they're just bad. 41 shots sounds nice, but not when they look like they've regressed to the Eakins era of thinking. They're leaving guys open in the slot while winning the corsi battle.

They're not out of the running and it can be turned around, but it's not a simple fix. There isn't a goalie that can simply stop the pucks getting through this team.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826921 is a reply to message #826916 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 10:00

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 09:24

Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 08:44

So I don't fully agree. I think there is an element of luck, because there are periods of absolute offensive zone dominance, and the team is getting some good looks. There have been a high percentage of high danger saves against us. Yes, it's a lot of back-up goalies having the night of their life, but I think the games that are more concerning are ones like the season opener, where we had nothing going right anywhere.

I think the team is fragile right now, and that one bad bounce discourages them. I also think there's no trust in the goaltenders, so they're taking bad risks in order to try to suppress any shot attempts - that's leading to some giving up of the slot. I mean, how many decent goaltending games have we got this year? The two wins...have there been any others? If you know that 3 of every 20 shots is in the back of the net, that's a really tough thing to handle.

Maybe some of that is self-defeating, as they are giving up good opportunities when there's any chances at all, but I don't know. A lot of the goals against are just shots off the rush. And NHL goalies need to stop some of the hard shots too. Skinner and Campbell save good chances at a rate waaaaay lower than their peers.

I do think that it would be interesting to see how different this team looks with a goalie that there's any confidence in.

I am pretty confident though that the goal scoring side is going to see a big jump soon.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826909 is a reply to message #826907 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 00:41

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 00:07

Thanks for stating the obvious. I have coworkers that cheerlead my employer like you apparently do too. Doesn’t mean I can’t get sick to my stomach about it. Did I go outside the guidelines of venting on a hockey board or something?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826911 is a reply to message #826909 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 08:20

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g2k wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 00:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 00:07

Nah, it was a fair point. You're suffering through this team is getting you sick to your stomach. I'm suffering through it sardonic awe. Two sides of the same coin.

I do want to drive home the point to everyone that the legacy media doesn't know what it's talking about though. Oilers are cup favorites they say.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826901 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:30

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826902 is a reply to message #826901 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:34

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Who knew the NHL only had a 12 game season this year? Wild. Oh well time to find other hobbies.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826905 is a reply to message #826901 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:43

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g2k wrote on Thu, 09 November 2023 23:30

Don't forget, this is the guy that told Katz that he had to get Bobby Nicks to take over the POHO role when Lowe decided he wanted to cash his cheques for just smiling and telling stories at events

https://www.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lowe.gif

The whole scam still roots with Lowe. Although Coffey has now slithered his way into the spot Lowe used to have. He's the new Lowe. Can't wait to see what magic Coffey's brilliant mind can pull off.

Are we finally gonna be out of these dopes when Coffey is gone (promoted out of the way)?

[Updated on: Thu, 09 November 2023 23:46]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826904 is a reply to message #826886 ]	Thu, 09 November 2023 23:40

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D zone coverage is disjointed as usual. The breakout has zero support, and consists of a panicked off the boards and out, or a prayer pass to guys flying the zone. Stuart Skinner is a sieve, how he earned this start is beyond me. Oilers goalie is 2nd best like pretty much every night, ~.865 like clockwork. Nuge takes 2 penalties in the 3rd, costing 4 minutes of any comeback, he scores but a little over 2 minutes left. PP is hopeless of course 0 for 4 against a sad sack team of nobodies and a backup goalie, too little too late for the Oilers to look like they gaf.

Just no offense. Perimeter stuff. McDavid doesn't have the juice, giving pucks away, forcing things like I've never seen.

Maybe firing some people is like a hard reset for the router, I don't know. Then maybe you pull a guy or 2 out and trade them, if you have a different GM. I doubt anyone has the sack to fire Holland though, even given that his fingerprints are all over this, some good, but some that's terrible.

I'm baffled, I thought after last year they tweak their defensive coverage, and that should really help. Ok so they might spin their wheels around .500 for a few games. but this is baffling. Give the chances, no big stops, cant score. 🤷‍♂️

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826910 is a reply to message #826904 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 05:35

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What a dumpster fire

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826917 is a reply to message #826904 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 09:26

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D zone coverage isn’t that hard to teach. Yet time and time again the opposing team has a man wide open around the hashmarks in front of our goalies. Yet the goalies are the problem? We can’t generate 5 on 5 goals with our perimeter play. Power play is ok but not pure fire like last year. D zone coverage is brutal.

Personally I think they a coach that actually will bench players when they make the same mistake time and time again would help. Gaudreau & Huberdeau were both benched but our golden boys never are held accountable. And apparently never will be. We are last effing place so why can’t they be benched? Is it going to make the team worse? They already ARE the worst!

So this is what hope feels like?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826919 is a reply to message #826917 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 09:47

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halfafrog wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 09:26

Is it individuals that need to be benched? I see a whole team that, I guess Woody would describe as, are making individual errors, not following the "system".

We've delt before with talk of systems and completely failed attempts by players to follow them to any good results. Exactly 10 years ago actually was one of the greatest examples you could hope to witness on an NHL team. That coach left still 100% confident his system was amazing, but the players were just too dumb to follow it, lacking fundamentals.

I think Woody and Manson and the gang are still flustered by how badly Cassidy spanked them last playoffs. We might be witnessing another example of poor ability to construct a supposed good system. One that can't be taught and followed in an effective way, certainly not by the current players we have on the roster. Coaches may be completely lost (but still super confident in their amazing detailed system), and the players are right there with them.

ALl that said, roster is still not made up that well and Holland needs to be fired before anyone else :)

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826922 is a reply to message #826917 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 10:05

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halfafrog wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 09:26

Did Gaudreau & Huberdeau's benchings turn them around?

We've talked about this a ton lately on here. I believe that an obvious benching is more about a coach trying to make himself the story, than it is about player improvement. The fact is, it's not going to change anyone's game to "watch a few shifts". That's not what drives improved attention to detail and it's not going to make anyone mistake free.

If McDavid is injured and needs more time off, then the Oilers should probably give him that time. If he's healthy enough to play, well, we aren't making the team better not playing him. Ditto for Draisaitl. Same for Bouchard.

Given that the Oilers still have almost no goals from depth players, and I don't think they have more than one or two without one of 97, 29, or 93 on the ice it seems really unlikely that benching one of those guys is going to help us win any hockey games.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826924 is a reply to message #826922 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 10:59

Adam
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Here's the back-up.

Quote:

Romulus' Apotheosis
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23/24 Oilers (5x5):

CF% 58.04 (2nd)
SCF% 56.99 (4th)
HDCF% 61.54 (1st)
xGF% 57.64 (1st)

SH% 5.97 (30th)
GF% 38.00 (30th)
SV% 88.43 (31st)
PDO 0.944 (30th)

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826927 is a reply to message #826924 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:17

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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 10:59

Here's the back-up.

Quote:

Romulus' Apotheosis
@RomulusNotNuma
23/24 Oilers (5x5):

CF% 58.04 (2nd)
SCF% 56.99 (4th)
HDCF% 61.54 (1st)
xGF% 57.64 (1st)

SH% 5.97 (30th)
GF% 38.00 (30th)
SV% 88.43 (31st)
PDO 0.944 (30th)

To me, that doesn't show bad luck. Luck makes the needle quiver a little bit, it's statistical static. A .94 PDO is a sign of a fundamental flaw in their team game. I think the issues can be corrected or mitigated, but that has to start with an honest assessment of where the team is and how they're actually playing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826932 is a reply to message #826927 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 12:31

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:17

Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 10:59

Here's the back-up.

Quote:

Romulus' Apotheosis
@RomulusNotNuma
23/24 Oilers (5x5):

CF% 58.04 (2nd)
SCF% 56.99 (4th)
HDCF% 61.54 (1st)
xGF% 57.64 (1st)

SH% 5.97 (30th)
GF% 38.00 (30th)
SV% 88.43 (31st)
PDO 0.944 (30th)

I agree with you halfways on PDO. The Oilers netminding has been nothing short of atrocious. I don't think that's luck. I think they have two crappy goalies (we might see a third one on Saturday given Skinner's dreadful game last night). That isn't luck. When you have guys who aren't good, then you don't get average goaltending.

However, the forward group IS good (at least the first half for sure). We've seen them score in buckets historically. They are generating a huge number of chances - the most high danger opportunities in the league. Their shooting percentage, on that number of high danger chances is luck. It's against several goalies, so it's not just the other teams being spectacular. And this shows it's not Eakins' gaming the system here. It's actually generating chances from the kill zone - they're just not going in very often for whatever reason.

In the last nine games, McDavid and Draisaitl have ONE goal between them. That's got to be the lowest production that we've seen from them in their entire careers. Injury may have something to do with that, but McDavid has 18 shots in 7 games in that span, and Draisaitl has 26. That's a 2.27% shooting percentage for two of the top players in the sport. It's not sustainable.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826925 is a reply to message #826922 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:13

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When 97 got injured, I had no idea how long he would be out. But like many, I was hoping his absence would motivate the rest of the team to step up and keep the mothership pointed in the right direction. Then the Heritage Classic came. 97 was healed and they won a game. Now here we are..

Odd as it sounds, having the best player in the world and arguably the second best as well seems like a detriment to the accountability of the rest of the team. Sloppy plays, missed assignments, lack of grit, perimeter play and no desire to make the sacrifice have been patched up many times by these 2. And they have displayed a fair portion of their own. (Maybe it needs to start there….I don’t know) But enough is enough. If McDavid and/or Draisaitl are hurt, the teammates know it, and they’re not stepping up enough. This 23/24 lineup is playing uninspired flawed hockey with a coach that has no bullets left in his chamber. The GM has painted himself into a corner, so there no help coming from there. Sitting here today, I don’t have a lot of faith that Woody can turn this team around. And if so, it will only be brief, so it’s only a waste of time. The Oilers are running out of runway. I think Woody needs to get the gas pipe before the point of no return.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826926 is a reply to message #826925 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:17

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g2k wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:13

I think Woody needs to get the gas pipe before the point of no return.

Rishaug saying no coaching change today and that expectation is that Woodcroft is still behind the bench on Saturday night.

No word on the more important firings higher up the ladder though...although the Kenny Defenders seem to have all disappeared. Reading the comments to Rishaug's tweets, it's all calling for Old Dutch's head on a plate...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826928 is a reply to message #826926 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:25

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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:17

g2k wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:13

I think Woody needs to get the gas pipe before the point of no return.

Which begs the question for me at least.

Is a convincing victory on Saturday a good thing for this club in the grand scheme of things? I don’t honestly know for sure that it isn’t, but I just have a feeling the Woodcroft pixie dust is gone. And there likely isn’t a coaching hire out there right now that isn’t going to be met with my skepticism either. Even if there was a fantastic option, he would need a track record of success with subpar goaltending. What a mess.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826929 is a reply to message #826926 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:29

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Oilers reddit is still very much “Ken has improved the team every year…He’s not that bad much better than Chiarelli…why replace him mid-season when he will be finished at the end of the year anyway”

It’s crazy how the media has groomed this city for incompetence. Like I am frequently upset that Ken Holland’s Oilers have never won a division with McDavid, never a top 5 finish. I feel like only Oilfans and some voices on twitter understand how many managerial problems have been covered up by 29/97.

At least in Vancouver and Toronto when they don’t like what they see, they let it be known loudly and collectively. Fans chanted Ron Wilson and Mike Gillis out of jobs. Vancouver fans cheered on Boudreau when he had to fall on the sword last year. Such different markets compared to Edmonton, who really just goes along with whatever the MSM pushes. It’s never management’s fault here. Management is good enough, as if we just want to watch a hockey team that is good enough and nothing more.

[Updated on: Fri, 10 November 2023 11:41]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826930 is a reply to message #826929 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 11:55

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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:29

Even if the damage is already done in regard to firing Holland, you would think it would be optically favourable to let paying customers and fans know you mean business. But not with this organization. Because they truly don’t mean business. They have not been serious enough since the ownership change. They have squandered a small Haitian army of high draft picks with a cavalier buddy system management model and created a culture of low accountability from the ownership down to the plugs.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826931 is a reply to message #826930 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 12:21

Adam
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g2k wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:55

smyth260 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:29

CrusaderPi's said it multiple times - Throughout the entire the Kevin Lowe-era, (which I'd argue we're still at the tail end of even though he's now no longer on the website - so maybe he truly has stepped away?) the team hasn't been serious about winning or competing. Maybe 2006 is the anomaly there, but other than that, they've always put other things ahead of winning - whether it's settling scores (Comrie comes to mind), giving buddies and family a nice place to work (Coffey now IS on the website), protecting and insulating the management from criticism, or just rewarding people who they think are nice (Gryba buyout, Smyth "coaching" job, etc.)

Holland is a lame duck here. He's ancient, the money's already spent on him, and he's not coming back next year. His fingerprints are ALL OVER this failure. He was the absolute wrong hire when they got him, and in the time since about 80% of his moves have been poor. Anything good that has happened with the team in his tenure come from the great players we have on the roster, especially the ones not acquired by Ken Holland. He spent MOST of his contract trying to convince the fans that they shouldn't expect a winner, rather than actually building one.

And we're at the point where the only managerial routes out of the morass require cap creativity and some great trades. Holland doesn't believe in using loopholes and he has actually said that you can't win trades. That is NOT the man to get us out of this spot.

Honestly, it's almost symbolic to flush him, but it's so completely deserved that it should be the first move the Oilers make now.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ San Jose (Game #12) [message #826933 is a reply to message #826931 ]	Fri, 10 November 2023 12:38

CrusaderPi
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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 12:21

g2k wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:55

smyth260 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2023 11:29

This is where good management comes into play. Holland is a lame duck who built a hockey team that wasn't good enough. I can understand why the Oilers don't want to (and probably shouldn't) go through the act of ceremonially firing him. BUT, the do need to know internally what is going to happen next year. Who is the replacement, how will the priorities change, how will knowledge and information be transferred, who is making decisions now, and how do we make sure we aren't selling the future. And because this is a public organization, the season ticket holds and advertisers and everyone else needs to know that this is happening too. I don't trust the Oilers to make good decisions because of that I don't invest any emotional capital into them which means I don't give them any of my money. I encourage everyone else to do the same until they prove their worthy of your financial and emotional support.

Change management man. I guess they can't do that if they don't have actual management.

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