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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 20 September 2022 14:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 September 2022 14:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 20 September 2022 14:28

That is such a horrific statement. Reasonable doubt means it's likely a person did something? Come on Adam, you have to understand that's an impossible standard for any person or organization to maintain.

I'm willing to accept this is a bad move because of the risk-reward matrix... but it sounds like you're willing to accept the move if the potential reward was greater. Making the first half of your posts sound very arbitrary.


That's not what I said.

Reasonable doubt means that there's a chance it wasn't them. Basically, you have to be 99% sure to convict. In a civil trial, the burden is more likely did than didn't so you only need to be 51%. I think that might still be low, but if you examine the facts and think there's a good chance there's something there - as the Canucks did with Virtanen, then my preference is for the team to set a good example and say this stuff matters and shouldn't be tolerated, and we don't want players who do that on our team.

I don't think the court's standard for not imprisoning people should be the same as the team's for whether they're worth dealing with or not.

As I said, I would prefer the team take that approach to the risk/reward approach as I'm uncomfortable having guys who rape or beat up women on the team. I think this move fails on both approaches.



You think the Canucks examined the facts before giving in to the lynch mob? Come on. No one cares about the facts here. This is pure optics. I really think you need to vote with your dollars and eyes.

It's completely ludicrous to say you don't want people who do that on the team when the courts can't prove he did it. Which would probably be putting the team in some legal danger. Any percentage difference between your 99 and 51 is pointless speculation. The Oilers are a hockey team, not a vigilante force. Let the courts deal with the justice part (civil or criminal). The hockey team should focus on hockey not arbitrary justice. Again, the purity test is always a doomed concept.




Virtanen isn’t a good hockey player. He’s taken selfish penalties at the worst times. That being said if he doesn’t make this team it should based on his skill set, ability to fit in and not past accusations.

If I only cheered for the good people in sport I probably wouldn’t own a TV. The leagues are filled with deplorable people.



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