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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 September 2022 13:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 September 2022 09:28

One more comment on this - a friend of mine said yesterday that the Oilers now have an accused rapist on a tryout, trying to make a team to play alongside an accused assaulter of women, on a team run by a guy who set up a fund to cover up rape allegations for Team Canada and owned by a guy who's had a couple of accusations of sexual impropriety, including most recently when he was "buying movie ideas" from a teenager.

Safe to say that the team's image isn't exactly great right now. It's hard for us die-hards to move on from the team, even with all that, but man - they have to be losing casual fans, especially female ones through this callous disregard.


Lets just hope you never get selected for jury duty.



You don't understand - the burden of proof for a jury is exceptionally high. You can think someone absolutely did it, but if the defence can show enough evidence to make you think he might not have? Then your duty is to vote to acquit. Acquittal isn't equivalent to innocence though.

For a relevant example - Adnan Syed was the main subject of the podcast Serial. He was convicted of the murder of his girlfriend and has spent the last 20 years in jail for that murder. The podcast showed significant reasons to doubt that he was the killer and that started the ball rolling towards his release this week.

That said, the host of the show, when she reached the end of her podcast said she was left uncertain of what had actually happened. She didn't think it out of the realm of possibility that he had killed the victim, although she was certain that there was way more than reasonable doubt that he had, and that there had been a rush to justice.

In the few years since that podcast was made, the host has been criticized for not doing more to push for Syed's release. I don't think that was ever incumbent on her - she did her part and she was not convinced that he might not have been the killer, so does she really need to do more and tirelessly advocate for him? Her podcast did mobilize a lot of people to act and that ended with this result. But if she has some level of doubt about his innocence, then she probably shouldn't have done any more than she already did.

If I was on a jury for a sexual assault, I would first of all try everything in my power to avoid being on a jury, because it can be time consuming and I have a job to do that that would be a massive distraction from. But failing that, I would have to listen to the case and see if the prosecution was able to fully convince me that this person did this thing. If I'm only pretty sure? That's unfortunately a reason to vote for acquittal, because in our justice system, the priority is on making sure innocent people aren't wrongly convicted, even if that means that sometimes guilty people are wrongly released.

I don't think it wipes the slate though - especially if there's enough evidence to believe that the party did what they were accused of even if reasonable doubt still exists. OJ Simpson was acquitted of two murders...do you really believe it wasn't him that did it? The civil trial from the family of the victims was successful at the lower burden of proof, so the court did ultimately hold him responsible.



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