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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 03 October 2022 22:20

Holloway is already top 6.. just need to decide who moves down to 3rd line.. Yamo or JP..



How Oilers.

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You're saying Yamo and JP are better?
Speed, Shot, IQ, hands, physicality, he's better than both, in all regards.


I don't think you can determine any of those things based off of one (or even multiple) pre-season game against AHL competition. Maybe shot, but even then, it's one thing to get your shot off against a defenceman that can't skate at an NHL level and a completely different thing to get it off against one that can.

Will he be better than Yamo and JP? It's entirely possible, I think it's a reach to say definitively that he is today.


He's faster than both
Better shot than both
More physical than both
Better IQ than JP
Better hands than JP
Plays PK well.. JP can't
Face off wizard .. better than both


JP and Yamo have played the same "AHL" pre-season games.. haven't really stood out at all.
Guess we'll see, but I'm pretty sure Woody will be putting Holloway in the top 6.





What are we basing this on though?

He has 8-14-22 in 33 AHL games. 4/5 of his pre-season points were against a terrible team with a swiss cheese goalie that let Foegele score twice.

I just hope the org isn't piling the pressure/expectations on the kid like we're seeing from oilers media and some fans.

Holloway will get his shot for sure, but barely any conclusions can be made yet comparing a rookie giving 110% to try to get to the big show vs guys with multiple NHL seasons under their belt just trying to get their bodies in gear for the season.


However, I bet Chia would have traded a top 6 winger by now for peanuts and have Holloway penciled in to be in the top 6 all year, to be fair :)


As someone mentioned before, Oilers fans are so easily seduced by the new shiny toy.

They also so easily forget that a team is 23 men deep, and so even if he CAN carry his small sample pre-season success into the regular season and beyond, having a young left shot forward emerge doesn't make two decent producing, defensively responsible right shot forwards redundant.

It is funny to me that this happens every year. We see a Dan Cleary or a Peter White dominate in pre-season against AHL competition or pros going half-speed and we think, "Man! This is found money! This kid is going to be AWESOME!" and then when they play real meaningful NHL games against real competition they don't shine so bright and we all feel so disappointed that our hopes and dreams aren't immediately realized.

No one should draw any conclusions from pre-season. Virtually no roster decisions should ever be made on the back of what happens during pre-season. There's little strategy being used in pre-season games. No line-matching. No set plays. Limited systems play. Veterans don't care and are just stretching their legs. There's a plethora of non-NHL players in lineups, especially when teams are on the road. Some players are rusty after a summer spent not playing games.

These are truly meaningless games, so scoring a hat trick, while nice, doesn't mean much of anything and shouldn't be looked at as a sign that any player has "arrived". Puljujarvi and Yamamoto NOT scoring at will likewise means nothing. Neither player is playing for a job right now. They just need to not get hurt and to start getting back up to speed while maybe building a little confidence and chemistry along the way.

It's funny - I think if we looked back at every training camp thread for the last 15 years, you'd probably see these same things again and again and again...and that's in here where most of the posters are a little more sophisticated than the average fan!



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