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Gotta sweep at home.


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Officials crap but we are too. Cant score on a PP. 1 goal in 6 periods won’t cut it

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The refs were monkey crap but The Oilers were equally monkey crap.


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Maurice with Winnipeg…. 4-0
Now with Florida …. I hate this coach!



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Team looking like the cliche of not knowing what it takes to win it all.

Not that we have the better lineup or anything. Need some miracles to win this series. Don't expect our top guys to look so inept either though.



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What a weaaaaaak sauce start to the series. It's like the Oilers are acknowledging that Florida deserves the Cup and are here to just tag along for the ride.


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They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.


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Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14

They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.


Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.



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That was bad, it certainly didn't help losing Foegele early on and then Nurse only getting limited ice time, when they were trying to manage Kane's time as well. Bouchard took some penalties meaning the back end had to swallow so much time.

This looks like a round to far so far for them, but it's home ice now for us and we've got to do better. Look at who's fit, look at bringing in players who aren't carrying significant injuries and go at full tilt as tonight we looked like we only had third gear.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:17

Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14

They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.


Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.


Yeah, but at least we had more than 3 chances. There was nothing tonight. Even Ek’s goal was a stinker. He stops that almost every time.

Would have felt a lot better with a similar loss than what we were treated to tonight.

And the refs suck. And the Panthers are worse than the Sedins in 2011 with the diving, flopping, and those head snaps.



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Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.


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Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30

Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.


I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14

Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30

Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.


I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.


They don’t give us those calls. “Game management” dictates they aren’t gonna give us an unfair advantage given our PP.

We played like crap. But we aren’t getting anything no matter what from the stripes, even if it’s justified.



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nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14

Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 20:30

Can’t help but wonder if the outcome would not have been different if we would have rightfully gotten that 1:48 5 on 3.


I'm not wondering the outcome.. shoulda been a 5 on 3.. and definitely woulda changed the game.. linesmen blew it.. it was a foot and a half inside the zone when he shot it out.. 4 guys on the ice.. easy call.


They don’t give us those calls. “Game management” dictates they aren’t gonna give us an unfair advantage given our PP.

We played like crap. But we aren’t getting anything no matter what from the stripes, even if it’s justified.


Kinda surprised so far at how many powerplays we have been given. We had the chance to make our special teams a difference in both games. Can't get the job done though.



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If nothing is happening then atleast give me one game of a Nuge-McDavid-Gagner line in the SCF. Atleast give me some happy memory of something I can cheer for.


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Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:27

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:17

Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:14

They actually looked good almost all of game 1. They looked like junk this entire game except for about 2-3 minutes after the Panthers went up 2-1. Once they were down they finally had a bit of a push back, but it didn’t last.


Good possession in game 1, but choked loads of chances. Evan Rodrigues more clutch than our whole team combined.


Yeah, but at least we had more than 3 chances. There was nothing tonight. Even Ek’s goal was a stinker. He stops that almost every time.

Would have felt a lot better with a similar loss than what we were treated to tonight.

And the refs suck. And the Panthers are worse than the Sedins in 2011 with the diving, flopping, and those head snaps.


Our fate is probably decided by how well Florida plays. First game they got the lead early and dropped back defensively. Maybe they were nervous and tentative. Bobo shut the door plus we helped by being anti-clutch.

This game Florida much more comfortable, just kept battling even when we got the lead and just broke us down.

Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:31

Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.


Thing is, Mcdavid looked dangerous many times. Did all that work to get into a prime shooting position, only to overpass. Need to send some on net. Get some greasy ones.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 21:42

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:31

Our team is worse, no doubt about it. We need McDavid or Drai to be the ones stealing for us with pure talent plays. Almost every powerplay needs to count.


Thing is, Mcdavid looked dangerous many times. Did all that work to get into a prime shooting position, only to overpass. Need to send some on net. Get some greasy ones.


Yeah. McDavid and Drai get into that mode sometimes. This is the absolute worst time for that to be happening. Maybe the pressure of the moment and Bobo's last game has them overthinking things. We probably have zero chance in the series if that continues even for one more game.



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We cooked. Need a big bag of faerie dust and we are all out. That was a winnable game but either players are too banged up, too gassed, or don’t have the necessary next gear.

McDavid better have a secret stash in his closet at home.



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nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:11

We cooked. Need a big bag of faerie dust and we are all out. That was a winnable game but either players are too banged up, too gassed, or don’t have the necessary next gear.

McDavid better have a secret stash in his closet at home.


Can't get too high on the wins, or too low on the losses. The fact is, you're never done until you're done. We've seen the Oilers come back from two games down to win. We've seen other teams do it too, including in this playoffs.

There's some things to adjust for sure - we really can't try to win 10-shot games just because it worked once. They need to take a certain amount of risks in order to push the play and we haven't done it when we're leading so often in the playoffs. It's not a great recipe for success.

Hopefully our players are back in the lineup next game, and hopefully the refs spend a bunch of time watching video of how much they suck and feel like they owe us next game. Some truly awful calls in this one. It's not why we lost, but it sure doesn't help.

I will say, I'm not sure that Kane is healthy enough to contribute, and if he isn't then I don't know why he's in the lineup. Zero shots in the series. He sucks at passing and can't make an easy breakout to save his life, so if he's not getting shots too? Then he's not giving you much else.

I would love to see Gagner in and the emotional boost that would give the team at home. With last change they could control his matchups too.



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Bouch 30:40 and taking huge hits all night. Clearly targetted cause we have no other useful RHD. He is in for major pain this series.


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They say the series ain’t over until you lose at home.

I hope…



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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:13

They say the series ain’t over until you lose at home.

I hope…


Pretty sure the Musty level will be showing infinity in game 3.



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Greatest comeback in Oiler Stanley Cup history coming up my friends! icon_nod


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We also can't lose sight of the biggest winner of the night. Cody Ceci. He now knows none of it was really his fault.


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Well we got away with one on the Draisatl elbow on Barkov. And the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.

You're never in trouble until you lose at home. So the series is far from over.



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Rutuu wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 22:44

.. the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.



Disagree.. according to the rules.. once the puck is inside the defending zone.. the ENTIRE width of the blue line is considered part of the D-zone until the puck completely crosses the FAR EDGE of the blue line (edge closest to neutral zone).. which is the opposite to when bringing the puck INTO the zone.. where the entire width of blue line is considered part of the Neutral zone..

In this game, the puck was shot out before the blue line.. it never cleared the zone before the shot out.. it still had to go past the "outside edge" of the blue line before it would be considered "clear" of the D-zone... it was like a foot and a half inside the D-zone when he shot it out.. delay of game.. refs blew the call.

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Rulebook: If the puck moves from the Neutral Zone into a team’s Attacking Zone, the edge of the blue line closer to the Attacking Zone is the determining edge. Until the puck completely crosses the blue line, the 12 inch width of the blue line is a part of the Neutral Zone.
However, the instant the puck completely crosses the blue line, the determining edge is reversed and the width of the blue line becomes a part of the Attacking Zone.

To paraphrase, the blue line is part of the neutral zone until the puck crosses into the attacking zone, at which point the blue line is now part of the attacking zone.

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I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255




Well, it's not really a matter of opinion - the initial contact was made inside the defensive zone. Regardless where the puck leaves the stick, it's a delay of game penalty.

From the NHL rulebook, and as discussed by the panel last night:
(iii) On any player who shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck
directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface from his defending
zone, except where there is no glass. The determining factor shall be
the position of the puck when it was shot or batted by the offending
player. If contact with the puck occurs while the puck is inside the
defending zone
, and subsequently goes out of play, the minor penalty
shall be assessed.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255




Well, it's not really a matter of opinion - the initial contact was made inside the defensive zone. Regardless where the puck leaves the stick, it's a delay of game penalty.

From the NHL rulebook, and as discussed by the panel last night:
(iii) On any player who shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck
directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface from his defending
zone, except where there is no glass. The determining factor shall be
the position of the puck when it was shot or batted by the offending
player. If contact with the puck occurs while the puck is inside the
defending zone
, and subsequently goes out of play, the minor penalty
shall be assessed.


We've had the NHL feed for the first two games, not sure why we've not had ABC, but it's either of E. J. Hradek or Jamie Hersch with Kevin Weekes, comically the PbP tried suggesting it wasn't a penalty because it didn't leave the stick till it was outside the zone. It was clear as day inside the zone and whilst our PP hasn't been hot a 5 on 3 goal could have been just the thing to reignite it.



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The refereeing was a big challenge. In that game:

- we had the shortest review ever as they ended Foegele's night. The only real difference on that versus the other couple knee trips seems to be that the Panthers' player was rolling around like he'd been mortally wounded. He was back healthy again before the 5 minutes was even served.
- the delay of game was just an awful call, and the refs had a chance to correct it and blew it. That's a five-on-three for 1:48...it would have been a huge opportunity.
- the hook on McDavid's breakaway was clear and repeated. Tkachuk is no where near the puck and is able to disrupt the shooter from getting a clear shot. That's 1000% a penalty and there's just no way that the refs should have missed it. Probably a penalty shot too.
- the roughing call to Draisaitl again seemed to be called only because there was a player writhing on the ice. No call was made at the time, but again we lose when the refs congress.

There's of course more that we need to fix than just that, but having all those go against you in a game is tough.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:01

The refereeing was a big challenge. In that game:

- we had the shortest review ever as they ended Foegele's night. The only real difference on that versus the other couple knee trips seems to be that the Panthers' player was rolling around like he'd been mortally wounded. He was back healthy again before the 5 minutes was even served.
- the delay of game was just an awful call, and the refs had a chance to correct it and blew it. That's a five-on-three for 1:48...it would have been a huge opportunity.
- the hook on McDavid's breakaway was clear and repeated. Tkachuk is no where near the puck and is able to disrupt the shooter from getting a clear shot. That's 1000% a penalty and there's just no way that the refs should have missed it. Probably a penalty shot too.
- the roughing call to Draisaitl again seemed to be called only because there was a player writhing on the ice. No call was made at the time, but again we lose when the refs congress.

There's of course more that we need to fix than just that, but having all those go against you in a game is tough.


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.. there was also at the start of the game, a rush by Hyman coming down the right wing.. cutting into the slot for a point blank shot and the defenseman reached in from behind and wrapped his entire arm around Hyman's torso .. no call .. the infraction so obvious it would be considered non-discretionary.. like a too many men.. wasn't a "missed call" .. essentially.. "I saw it .. you saw it" .. "but I refuse to call it" .. no other pro sports league would allow the refs the unaccountable personal discretion that NHL refs are given.

Then on the other side of the scale .. the penalty Bouchard got for "slashing" .. it was so weak that on the replay the guy could hardly find it.. its not just ref incompetence.. they are making willful choices on what to call and let go.. McDavid was getting slashed, and sticks in in the hands .. continuously.. every shift .. 10 times worse than what Bouchard got a call for .. nothing called

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 16:22

Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:01

The refereeing was a big challenge. In that game:

- we had the shortest review ever as they ended Foegele's night. The only real difference on that versus the other couple knee trips seems to be that the Panthers' player was rolling around like he'd been mortally wounded. He was back healthy again before the 5 minutes was even served.
- the delay of game was just an awful call, and the refs had a chance to correct it and blew it. That's a five-on-three for 1:48...it would have been a huge opportunity.
- the hook on McDavid's breakaway was clear and repeated. Tkachuk is no where near the puck and is able to disrupt the shooter from getting a clear shot. That's 1000% a penalty and there's just no way that the refs should have missed it. Probably a penalty shot too.
- the roughing call to Draisaitl again seemed to be called only because there was a player writhing on the ice. No call was made at the time, but again we lose when the refs congress.

There's of course more that we need to fix than just that, but having all those go against you in a game is tough.


🎯

.. there was also at the start of the game, a rush by Hyman coming down the right wing.. cutting into the slot for a point blank shot and the defenseman reached in from behind and wrapped his entire arm around Hyman's torso .. no call .. the infraction so obvious it would be considered non-discretionary.. like a too many men.. wasn't a "missed call" .. essentially.. "I saw it .. you saw it" .. "but I refuse to call it" .. no other pro sports league would allow the refs the unaccountable personal discretion that NHL refs are given.

Then on the other side of the scale .. the penalty Bouchard got for "slashing" .. it was so weak that on the replay the guy could hardly find it.. its not just ref incompetence.. they are making willful choices on what to call and let go.. McDavid was getting slashed, and sticks in in the hands .. continuously.. every shift .. 10 times worse than what Bouchard got a call for .. nothing called




To be fair, only one team is playing the system right now. We're seeing a lot of embellishment from the Panthers and it's not getting called. Luostarinen barely missed a shift after acting like Foegele amputated his leg. Tkachuk might have got whiplash from whipping his head around after Bouchard brushed his cheek. Kulikov did a nice little roll on the ground after Carrick gave him a little stick. And Barkov - well, what do you bet if the score stayed 2-1 that he made a miraculous return last night? Even the coach has gotten in to it, playing up that his captain is soooo questionable from that hit that they don't even know if he'll be able to play Thursday. Anyone have any doubt that he's in the lineup? They're just hoping they can build some more sympathy by acting like he's on life support right now.

Worth noting, Gregory Campbell holds the assistant GM role in the Panthers organization, and we all know how that can help you get calls.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #836088 is a reply to message #836085 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 16:13

.. To be fair, only one team is playing the system right now. We're seeing a lot of embellishment from the Panthers and it's not getting called. Luostarinen barely missed a shift after acting like Foegele amputated his leg. Tkachuk might have got whiplash from whipping his head around after Bouchard brushed his cheek. Kulikov did a nice little roll on the ground after Carrick gave him a little stick. And Barkov - well, what do you bet if the score stayed 2-1 that he made a miraculous return last night? Even the coach has gotten in to it, playing up that his captain is soooo questionable from that hit that they don't even know if he'll be able to play Thursday. Anyone have any doubt that he's in the lineup? They're just hoping they can build some more sympathy by acting like he's on life support right now.

Worth noting, Gregory Campbell holds the assistant GM role in the Panthers organization, and we all know how that can help you get calls.




The assumption that the embellishment theatrics would work both ways in receiving calls might be flawed.. there is a possibility that there is a pre-disposition involved.. and the theatrics just provides a cloak of legitimacy.

Oilers deploying a similar strategy might back-fire.. provides an excuse that can be used to ignore calls

Re; Gregory Campbell .. his dad working as the NHL Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations.. is an obvious problem.. especially if there is betting involved.. what other league would allow this?

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 16:22

Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:01

The refereeing was a big challenge. In that game:

- we had the shortest review ever as they ended Foegele's night. The only real difference on that versus the other couple knee trips seems to be that the Panthers' player was rolling around like he'd been mortally wounded. He was back healthy again before the 5 minutes was even served.
- the delay of game was just an awful call, and the refs had a chance to correct it and blew it. That's a five-on-three for 1:48...it would have been a huge opportunity.
- the hook on McDavid's breakaway was clear and repeated. Tkachuk is no where near the puck and is able to disrupt the shooter from getting a clear shot. That's 1000% a penalty and there's just no way that the refs should have missed it. Probably a penalty shot too.
- the roughing call to Draisaitl again seemed to be called only because there was a player writhing on the ice. No call was made at the time, but again we lose when the refs congress.

There's of course more that we need to fix than just that, but having all those go against you in a game is tough.


🎯

.. there was also at the start of the game, a rush by Hyman coming down the right wing.. cutting into the slot for a point blank shot and the defenseman reached in from behind and wrapped his entire arm around Hyman's torso .. no call .. the infraction so obvious it would be considered non-discretionary.. like a too many men.. wasn't a "missed call" .. essentially.. "I saw it .. you saw it" .. "but I refuse to call it" .. no other pro sports league would allow the refs the unaccountable personal discretion that NHL refs are given.

Then on the other side of the scale .. the penalty Bouchard got for "slashing" .. it was so weak that on the replay the guy could hardly find it.. its not just ref incompetence.. they are making willful choices on what to call and let go.. McDavid was getting slashed, and sticks in in the hands .. continuously.. every shift .. 10 times worse than what Bouchard got a call for .. nothing called



This is why I have zero time for the non stop excuse making for these people. "Theyre the best in the world", "It's a fast game". Its complete BS.

If they just did their jobs legitimately and called the obvious stuff that everyone sees in real time then fine. It's a fast game and there are going to be some things missed. Let the league take care of the occasional super over the top dirty stuff that they miss (of course that's a whole other issue - but in theory it could work). But this isn't what they do. Not even close. They ignore obvious calls, they make things up out of thin air, they bully players and coaches and they create an environment that leads to injuries and just plain making the game worse.

This isn't even an Oilers thing it's all over the league. Everyone knows this. They are either unbelievably stupid or incompetent or purposely "managing" games. Probably some combination of all three. But what they are not is good at their jobs or deserving of respect. There really is no reason for them to exist at this point.



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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.





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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.





Missed that. That's an important detail, so definitely was delay of game.

For icings, usually if the puck appears to leave the stick on or over the red line, even in the air they wave off, which I think ppl were assuming was the rule for the delay of game.

These refs had an absolutely brutal night. The best the league has to offer sadly. AI robot refs can't come soon enough!



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:23

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.





Missed that. That's an important detail, so definitely was delay of game.

For icings, usually if the puck appears to leave the stick on or over the red line, even in the air they wave off, which I think ppl were assuming was the rule for the delay of game.

These refs had an absolutely brutal night. The best the league has to offer sadly. AI robot refs can't come soon enough!


And as usual the broadcast team tiptoes around the misssed call and doesn’t really criticize “oh well, that will be a reviewable call next year”. How many times have we seen the Oilers get a penalty for delay after the officials conference for 2 minutes even if the original call is not penalty.
So sick of NHL officiating screwing the Oilers over in the playoffs at absolutely critical moments. Linking up with gambling sites is not going to improve things us in Gary Capone’s league.



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