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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818506 is a reply to message #818502 ]
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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 16:24

Orlov + Hathaway to Boston for draft picks and Craig Smith
Washington in sell mode.

Boston just got much better. I was kinda hoping for Orlov.


A 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th for 2 months of Dimitry Orlov is just lunacy. Halland needs to stay as far away from this stupidity as possible.

I kind of agree. The Bruins are head and shoulders above the Oilers. Giving up 4 picks (including a 2025 2nd rounder that won't be in the NHL until 2028-29) wouldn't come close to making up that gap.



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Jeannot, LW with 5-9-14 in 56 games traded to Tampa for infinity picks

TRADE

To Tampa Bay #GoBolts   
F Tanner Jeannot

To Nashville #Preds
D Cal Foote
2025 1st RD pick (Top 10 Protected)
2024 2nd RD pick
2023 3rd RD pick
2023 4th RD pick
2023 5th RD pick



That is an insane return. Tampa must love this guy



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Tampa seems pretty good at trying to win Cups. Does this show the value of picks for a cup contender?

Meanwhile the Avs, Stars, Knights, and Jets have all gotten better in the west this weekend.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 26 February 2023 21:11

Tampa seems pretty good at trying to win Cups. Does this show the value of picks for a cup contender?

Meanwhile the Avs, Stars, Knights, and Jets have all gotten better in the west this weekend.

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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818580 is a reply to message #818576 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 26 February 2023 21:11

Tampa seems pretty good at trying to win Cups. Does this show the value of picks for a cup contender?

Meanwhile the Avs, Stars, Knights, and Jets have all gotten better in the west this weekend.


Have won cups yeah. Got a great core of players that they try to add little depth tweaks to. Still, this seems like just irresponsible load blowing to me.

Maybe a side goal is to try to make the deadline market ridiculous and try to make other teams need to overpay for things too.



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The 3rd, 4th, 5th this year hold very little value. They could be the 90th, 120th, and 150th pick. Give or take. Just minor assets for the Preds. The 2nd next is pretty good. The first in 2025 is a lot. There's no guarantee Tamp will be good then. Although if they are good, even good like the non-contending Oilers are now, it sort of proves the value of draft picks for a good organization.


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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818582 is a reply to message #818581 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 26 February 2023 22:10

The 3rd, 4th, 5th this year hold very little value. They could be the 90th, 120th, and 150th pick. Give or take. Just minor assets for the Preds. The 2nd next is pretty good. The first in 2025 is a lot. There's no guarantee Tamp will be good then. Although if they are good, even good like the non-contending Oilers are now, it sort of proves the value of draft picks for a good organization.


Just a 1st alone seems like a lot for this guy. Good for Tampa not valuing their picks, but I think other teams still value picks. They even toss in Foote, who is the same age as Jeannot, and on D terms, having a similar performance year.

I suppose Tampa decided who their guy would be and just send out the offer only an insane person would refuse to get it done ASAP. Doubt any other offer was even close. And Tampa out of picks to toss now to try to get something else done. Best pick they have to trade with is a 2nd in 2025.

I dunno, if I was a Tampa fan, I'd probably like to see my GM be a llittle more shrewd, especially since all the GM really has done is little tweaks to the elite core he was left with from Yzerman. Obviously I'd love that a couple cups were won, but the quick all in now for a 3rd liner having crap year. Seems like some overconfidence.

[Updated on: Sun, 26 February 2023 22:45]


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The only way I can explain this trade is that Nashville must have pictures of Julien BriseBois buggering Bettmans pet goat. Insane haul for a guy putting up Derek Ryan numbers.


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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sun, 26 February 2023 22:40

The only way I can explain this trade is that Nashville must have pictures of Julien BriseBois buggering Bettmans pet goat. Insane haul for a guy putting up Derek Ryan numbers.


I assume Tampa has some analytics guys that calculated the exact hockey elements the team was lacking, and then discovered that Jeannot checked off all the boxes. Flag goes up to immediately send out the offer that would never be refused ASAP.

I guess we shall see how it works out for them :)


Just saw that Klim Kostin has identical stats to Jeannot, but got his 14 points in less games and he's 2 years younger.

[Updated on: Mon, 27 February 2023 08:08]


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Leafs media really pumping tires for Dubas after he sells the future only to be eliminated in the first round again.


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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 14:06

Leafs media really pumping tires for Dubas after he sells the future only to be eliminated in the first round again.


Trying to win now, what a foreign concept around here.




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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 17:41

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 14:06

Leafs media really pumping tires for Dubas after he sells the future only to be eliminated in the first round again.


Trying to win now, what a foreign concept around here.




Of course only the results in the playoffs will matter but I will admit to being jealous. TO was in as much cap trouble as the Oilers and in the last week they have upgraded multiple positions.
Yes, they have pushed out a pile of draft picks but I have made my stance known on that a few times.
You have to give Dubas credit for giving the Leafs the best chance to win, he has taken away almost all excuses and shown the players and rest of the org it is a time to win.

I really hope the Oilers roster has even 25% of the Leafs improvements come deadline day. I don't have faith that Holland has the creativity to work through the cap issue, or the guts to pull the trigger on a risky move.
If he doesnt do something of substance this year I think it is clear he will never have the ability to make moves to improve the team.



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 18:03

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 17:41

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 27 February 2023 14:06

Leafs media really pumping tires for Dubas after he sells the future only to be eliminated in the first round again.


Trying to win now, what a foreign concept around here.




Of course only the results in the playoffs will matter but I will admit to being jealous. TO was in as much cap trouble as the Oilers and in the last week they have upgraded multiple positions.
Yes, they have pushed out a pile of draft picks but I have made my stance known on that a few times.
You have to give Dubas credit for giving the Leafs the best chance to win, he has taken away almost all excuses and shown the players and rest of the org it is a time to win.

I really hope the Oilers roster has even 25% of the Leafs improvements come deadline day. I don't have faith that Holland has the creativity to work through the cap issue, or the guts to pull the trigger on a risky move.
If he doesnt do something of substance this year I think it is clear he will never have the ability to make moves to improve the team.


The curse, or just pressure to win in TO, is really going to be tested this year. Their D is improved, they have lots of depth now. I guess we can still hope for a goaltending implosion, and just general choking. Dubas certainly not to blame this time around.



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I find it hypocritical that the NHL puts out a memo warning teams about trading for LTIR guys just to activate them for the playoffs and are watching for "cap circumvention". Yet they allow teams to trade for guys on LTIR to make the cap floor.

Yotes traded for Weber who will never play again. His cap hit is 7.857 mill but for the next seasons will make 1 mill in actual money. So the Yotes next season will have his 7.857 mill on their roster as just injured reserve, helping them make the cap floor without having to pay actual players to contribute to the team. That's cap circumvention right there. They are using a loop hole in the CBA to help their cap situation.

This league continues to talk out of both sides of their mouth.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 09:06

I find it hypocritical that the NHL puts out a memo warning teams about trading for LTIR guys just to activate them for the playoffs and are watching for "cap circumvention". Yet they allow teams to trade for guys on LTIR to make the cap floor.

Yotes traded for Weber who will never play again. His cap hit is 7.857 mill but for the next seasons will make 1 mill in actual money. So the Yotes next season will have his 7.857 mill on their roster as just injured reserve, helping them make the cap floor without having to pay actual players to contribute to the team. That's cap circumvention right there. They are using a loop hole in the CBA to help their cap situation.

This league continues to talk out of both sides of their mouth.


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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 14:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 09:06

I find it hypocritical that the NHL puts out a memo warning teams about trading for LTIR guys just to activate them for the playoffs and are watching for "cap circumvention". Yet they allow teams to trade for guys on LTIR to make the cap floor.

Yotes traded for Weber who will never play again. His cap hit is 7.857 mill but for the next seasons will make 1 mill in actual money. So the Yotes next season will have his 7.857 mill on their roster as just injured reserve, helping them make the cap floor without having to pay actual players to contribute to the team. That's cap circumvention right there. They are using a loop hole in the CBA to help their cap situation.

This league continues to talk out of both sides of their mouth.


Good point.


It's hilarious that I saw a media guy suggest the Oilers were thinking about doing this, getting a guy like Nyquist. Saw that I think before the NHL announcement. NHL always right on top of things, in specific circumstances.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 13:38

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 14:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 28 February 2023 09:06

I find it hypocritical that the NHL puts out a memo warning teams about trading for LTIR guys just to activate them for the playoffs and are watching for "cap circumvention". Yet they allow teams to trade for guys on LTIR to make the cap floor.

Yotes traded for Weber who will never play again. His cap hit is 7.857 mill but for the next seasons will make 1 mill in actual money. So the Yotes next season will have his 7.857 mill on their roster as just injured reserve, helping them make the cap floor without having to pay actual players to contribute to the team. That's cap circumvention right there. They are using a loop hole in the CBA to help their cap situation.

This league continues to talk out of both sides of their mouth.


Good point.


It's hilarious that I saw a media guy suggest the Oilers were thinking about doing this, getting a guy like Nyquist. Saw that I think before the NHL announcement. NHL always right on top of things, in specific circumstances.


Well at least NHL Corp. fired a warning off beforehand and we won't have to give up a 3rd to Calgary!

There was a guy on LT's site that laid out a perfect LTIR plan involving Nyquist as an acquisition, maybe word got out to Daily that it wasn't NYR or Tampa that were thinking about it so it slammed the door pre-emptively.. wouldn't want to give the wrong teams an unfair advantage..



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I'm very happy I'll get to make Patrick Kane was a Coyote jokes for the next few years.


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Preds doing OK in the trade front.. Cal Foot was a good get.

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The Preds have traded Tanner Jeannot, Mattias Ekholm and a 6th and have got:

2023 1st
2025 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd/4th/5th
Reid Schaefer
Cal Foote
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them flip Barrie to someone else


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Red Rage wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 11:48

I wouldn't be surprised to see them flip Barrie to someone else


Yeah they're rebuilding, they can use prospects more than Barrie at this point in the cycle.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 13:10

Red Rage wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 11:48

I wouldn't be surprised to see them flip Barrie to someone else


Yeah they're rebuilding, they can use prospects more than Barrie at this point in the cycle.

I'm not sure they're rebuilding. They've made the playoffs 8 years in a row and have a pretty solid core signed for the next few years. I think they couldn't recover from a bad start this year and are simply gathering assets and space for next season. Specific to Barrie, the Perds had a hard time scoring this year (26th in goals for right now). Trading defense for an offensive defenseman, a 1st round prospect, and a couple of picks makes a lot of sense in a lost season.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 13:35

Preds doing OK in the trade front.. Cal Foot was a good get.

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The Preds have traded Tanner Jeannot, Mattias Ekholm and a 6th and have got:

2023 1st
2025 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd/4th/5th
Reid Schaefer
Cal Foote
Tyson Barrie
4th Rounder



With Trotz back in the organization as GM, that bodes well in their continued pursuit of emphasizing the development of their young Dmen. He also gets to do his homework on all this newly acquired draft capital as well.....

They likely see Tyson Barrie as their immediate replacement for Ryan Ellis/PK Subban.

They likely envision Cal Foote as the 2nd coming of a right shot Ekholm and if we're looking a decade back then say Shea Weber.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 March 2023 16:55]


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Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


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oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:21

Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


Wow, that's a crappy return after all the waiting.



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oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 15:21

Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


Yeah that's very little.

At his salary and age, I think I would preferred that.

I guess Arizona didn't want to take on any salary. So Holland would have had to trade Barrie or whomever elsewhere to make it work.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 March 2023 16:32]


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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:31

oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 15:21

Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


Yeah that's very little.

At his salary and age, I think I would preferred that.


The media guys saying salary retention was an issue for Arizona. They wanted to unload the whole contract and not retain.

That's kinda weird, don't they just spend the rest of the leagues money anyways?



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 15:33

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oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 15:21

Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


Yeah that's very little.

At his salary and age, I think I would preferred that.


The media guys saying salary retention was an issue for Arizona. They wanted to unload the whole contract and not retain.

That's kinda weird, don't they just spend the rest of the leagues money anyways?


They gotta make sure there is money left for Zack Kassian.

Yeah Holland would have needed to do an extra trade to make it work. That's a big ask for our 5 million dollar man.



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818827 is a reply to message #818823 ]
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What a crappy return for Chychrun after all of that! I think the Yotes GM is a complete idiot.

I have to think prior to dumping JP for nothing to get cap space, the Oilers made offers to the Yotes for Chychrun that involved taking JP back. The job of the GM is to make his team better and get the most asset for your players. So they would have turned down a most likely better offer from the Oilers, all to save on having to pay JP a couple of months of salary.

DUMB!



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818830 is a reply to message #818827 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:54

What a crappy return for Chychrun after all of that! I think the Yotes GM is a complete idiot.

I have to think prior to dumping JP for nothing to get cap space, the Oilers made offers to the Yotes for Chychrun that involved taking JP back. The job of the GM is to make his team better and get the most asset for your players. So they would have turned down a most likely better offer from the Oilers, all to save on having to pay JP a couple of months of salary.

DUMB!


One perspective I didn't consider. Retaining with Chychrun would consume a salary retention spot for Arizona for 3 years. They like to use all those spots to try to get nice assets from the rest of the league. You can only have 3 at a time.

I guess it is possible that 3 years of having the retention spot free could mean more assets than what they could have got trading Chychrun retained.



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818840 is a reply to message #818830 ]
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I understand not wanting to retain on a multi-year and frankly underpaid player…but not wanting to take any contracts back was going to severely limit their options.


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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818842 is a reply to message #818840 ]
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I like what the Sens have been doing the last couple of years. As soon as next season they could be scary good.


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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818904 is a reply to message #818830 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 17:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:54

What a crappy return for Chychrun after all of that! I think the Yotes GM is a complete idiot.

I have to think prior to dumping JP for nothing to get cap space, the Oilers made offers to the Yotes for Chychrun that involved taking JP back. The job of the GM is to make his team better and get the most asset for your players. So they would have turned down a most likely better offer from the Oilers, all to save on having to pay JP a couple of months of salary.

DUMB!


One perspective I didn't consider. Retaining with Chychrun would consume a salary retention spot for Arizona for 3 years. They like to use all those spots to try to get nice assets from the rest of the league. You can only have 3 at a time.

I guess it is possible that 3 years of having the retention spot free could mean more assets than what they could have got trading Chychrun retained.

The reports are supposedly the Oilers had an offer into the Yotes, a take it or leave it. I am going to guess the offer included taking JP back. Even sounds like they basically had a deal done, then they came back and wanted more. Oilers said no, JP gets dumped, they go get Ekholm.

If the Yotes didn't want to retain for 3 years, I get that to a degree but 2 months of JP salary was too much? I don't know the break down of how much he gets paid per month but what are we talking here in real cash, under 1 mill probably. So you sacrifice a better package to save under 1 mill in cash. That's just bad management.



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818905 is a reply to message #818904 ]
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I'm guessing cash flow is tight playing in a Rink that would be too small for Weyburn, SK


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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818906 is a reply to message #818905 ]
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Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 08:19

I'm guessing cash flow is tight playing in a Rink that would be too small for Weyburn, SK

True but I am sure they are getting max money from the league to stay afloat. They are Bettman's baby.

I just think it's a bad decision because they are sacrificing maybe improving your team to save a couple of months of salary.



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818909 is a reply to message #818904 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 08:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 17:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:54

What a crappy return for Chychrun after all of that! I think the Yotes GM is a complete idiot.

I have to think prior to dumping JP for nothing to get cap space, the Oilers made offers to the Yotes for Chychrun that involved taking JP back. The job of the GM is to make his team better and get the most asset for your players. So they would have turned down a most likely better offer from the Oilers, all to save on having to pay JP a couple of months of salary.

DUMB!


One perspective I didn't consider. Retaining with Chychrun would consume a salary retention spot for Arizona for 3 years. They like to use all those spots to try to get nice assets from the rest of the league. You can only have 3 at a time.

I guess it is possible that 3 years of having the retention spot free could mean more assets than what they could have got trading Chychrun retained.

The reports are supposedly the Oilers had an offer into the Yotes, a take it or leave it. I am going to guess the offer included taking JP back. Even sounds like they basically had a deal done, then they came back and wanted more. Oilers said no, JP gets dumped, they go get Ekholm.

If the Yotes didn't want to retain for 3 years, I get that to a degree but 2 months of JP salary was too much? I don't know the break down of how much he gets paid per month but what are we talking here in real cash, under 1 mill probably. So you sacrifice a better package to save under 1 mill in cash. That's just bad management.


I think they needed to take JP plus more no? We had to move JP and Barrie to be able to take Ekholm. If Arizona didn't want to take back any salary at all, i think that makes it hard for us. Although, if we watch Nashville flip Barrie for picks now, I guess we could have done it.

Hopefully Ekholm keeps looking like a good consolation prize :)



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818911 is a reply to message #818909 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 10:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 08:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 17:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 16:54

What a crappy return for Chychrun after all of that! I think the Yotes GM is a complete idiot.

I have to think prior to dumping JP for nothing to get cap space, the Oilers made offers to the Yotes for Chychrun that involved taking JP back. The job of the GM is to make his team better and get the most asset for your players. So they would have turned down a most likely better offer from the Oilers, all to save on having to pay JP a couple of months of salary.

DUMB!


One perspective I didn't consider. Retaining with Chychrun would consume a salary retention spot for Arizona for 3 years. They like to use all those spots to try to get nice assets from the rest of the league. You can only have 3 at a time.

I guess it is possible that 3 years of having the retention spot free could mean more assets than what they could have got trading Chychrun retained.

The reports are supposedly the Oilers had an offer into the Yotes, a take it or leave it. I am going to guess the offer included taking JP back. Even sounds like they basically had a deal done, then they came back and wanted more. Oilers said no, JP gets dumped, they go get Ekholm.

If the Yotes didn't want to retain for 3 years, I get that to a degree but 2 months of JP salary was too much? I don't know the break down of how much he gets paid per month but what are we talking here in real cash, under 1 mill probably. So you sacrifice a better package to save under 1 mill in cash. That's just bad management.


I think they needed to take JP plus more no? We had to move JP and Barrie to be able to take Ekholm. If Arizona didn't want to take back any salary at all, i think that makes it hard for us. Although, if we watch Nashville flip Barrie for picks now, I guess we could have done it.

Hopefully Ekholm keeps looking like a good consolation prize :)

I know people like the idea of Chychrun but I think Ekholm is the better fit for the Oilers. I don't see Chychrun settling Bouchard down defensively like Ekholm will or teaching Bouchard to defend better so he can be the dman he should be able to be other that just offensive. I don't see Chychurn being a mentor for Bouchard or Broberg or Desharnais or whoever like Ekholm will.

The Oilers badly needed a 20 min a night dman who every time he is on the ice, he can shut down the opposition, kill some penalties, defend well and in the last minute when you need a stop, he's on the ice. They don't need a guy who scores more points or helps on the PP like CHychrun does.



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818831 is a reply to message #818819 ]
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oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2023 15:21

Chychrun goes to Ottawa for a 1st and two 2nds (with some conditions, but it basically comes down to that). I wonder if Armstrong waited too long thinking he would get more and now he's ended up with less.


For some reason he must have thought the cap/salary retention for 2 more years was worth more than acquiring better assets.. it can't be cap since they are bound to be a cap floor team.. so it must have been just straight cash flow?

I think Dougie must have passed on a few better deals in the past year thinking he'd hit a a grand slam at the trade deadline.. instead he got a double.. putzed around for a year and a half .. then the music stopped..



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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818907 is a reply to message #818831 ]
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Hall has a lower body injury that needed a second opinion and magically he's on LTIR now.

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"What!! The doc said you can't possibly play another game for the rest of the year but will be ready to practice 3 weeks before the season is done so you will be in shape and ready for game 1. Aww man, that sucks. Well, if that's what the doc says is best."

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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #818912 is a reply to message #818831 ]
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You know what, if I'm Phoenix, I don't think I trade Chych at all. yeah he wanted a trade, but staying put is nothing new. He requested it 2 years ago initially.
If the offer wasn't right this time, they should have kept him to the end of the season and tried again.
Their initial ask was bonkers high, pushed buyers away, then sold for a terrible return. There was a middle ground... Seriously, I'd be a GM for HALF what some of those morons get paid!



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