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 Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823991 is a reply to message #822209 ]
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Hey Oettinger bounced back. But, Hill sporting a casual 0.947 too. The man just can't miss a beat.

At least Dallas got to OT :)



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Nice, Dallas win. Would be wonderful if they could grind out one or 2 more. Maybe get Benn back to so psycho on someone


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 25 May 2023 20:53

Hey Oettinger bounced back. But, Hill sporting a casual 0.947 too. The man just can't miss a beat.

At least Dallas got to OT :)

Adin Hill's career stats are pretty good. The biggest difference between his time in Vegas, SJ, and Tempe is wins.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 26 May 2023 00:34

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 25 May 2023 20:53

Hey Oettinger bounced back. But, Hill sporting a casual 0.947 too. The man just can't miss a beat.

At least Dallas got to OT :)

Adin Hill's career stats are pretty good. The biggest difference between his time in Vegas, SJ, and Tempe is wins.


His sav% and high danger sav% are near Vasileviski's conn Smythe year (and Quick 2012, and Thomas 2011). Better than all those guys 5v5. Hill had the misfortune of playing the best PP ever to beat down his all situation stats, poor guy, but he's still close to all recent conn smythe stats. He is having a ridiculous heater. He's never played this well in his NHL career anywhere sustainably. Guess still plenty of games to go though for stuff to even out.

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Should have just kept that bum Benn out of the lineup


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 May 2023 19:20

Should have just kept that bum Benn out of the lineup

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Dallas Stars fans are brutal. Lower bowl was 1/3 empty at the start of the 3rd. 2/3 empty when it was 6-0.

Cheer your team on regardless. They are in the WCF. Brutal.



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Wow, Vegas hammered Stars.. whole team looked slow.. I think hey roll over Florida as well.. although Bobo may make it closer than it should be.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 30 May 2023 00:23

I think the Stanley Cup was round II Vegas/Oil


Yeah - with the Avs, Bruins, and Lightning all bowing out in the 1st round, I really felt we had a real shot this year.



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We repeat the same thing every year, but I don't understand why the NHL keeps shooting itself in the foot in terms of scheduling. 5 days between the end of the 3rd round and the start of the finals? And even then, 3 days between games 2 and 3, and 3 between 4 and 5 if necessary.


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Mike wrote on Wed, 31 May 2023 08:57

We repeat the same thing every year, but I don't understand why the NHL keeps shooting itself in the foot in terms of scheduling. 5 days between the end of the 3rd round and the start of the finals? And even then, 3 days between games 2 and 3, and 3 between 4 and 5 if necessary.

Well, it's not like there's anything else to do in June.

It is ridiculous. Tonight should have either been game 7 or game 1.



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Scheduling thought of the day:

Why not make games 1 & 2 back to back? Both teams are over-rested, you might get some buzz in the home city, and the guys wouldn't have time to forget they're mad at the other team.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 31 May 2023 08:57

We repeat the same thing every year, but I don't understand why the NHL keeps shooting itself in the foot in terms of scheduling. 5 days between the end of the 3rd round and the start of the finals? And even then, 3 days between games 2 and 3, and 3 between 4 and 5 if necessary.


Who's even playing? It's been so long that I've forgotten...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 01 June 2023 16:51

Mike wrote on Wed, 31 May 2023 08:57

We repeat the same thing every year, but I don't understand why the NHL keeps shooting itself in the foot in terms of scheduling. 5 days between the end of the 3rd round and the start of the finals? And even then, 3 days between games 2 and 3, and 3 between 4 and 5 if necessary.


Who's even playing? It's been so long that I've forgotten...

Kansas City beat Cleveland (it still hurts) and are playing the SPHL champion Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs who look to pull off the rare double after taking out the Danbury Trashers.




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The talking heads that act as public relations departments like to say things like, “Gary doesn’t need to worry about the canadian market when they schedule playoff games deep into June”. Imagine what ratings could be like if the playoff weren’t competing with summer.


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Sounds like Vegas is a team of angels still, even though they are tossing cheap shots left and right. Not gonna watch any of this poop, but nice to hear the NHL is consistent. Pi's warm weather argument is legit. Kids sucking up what time I have left and I've done a bad job of making them interested in hockey. Oilers didn't really help either.

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Game two tonight!

I'd passively watch, but I'm sadly busy. Maybe the league gets more southern eyes because it's so hot in June and people would rather stay home in the AC? I will never understand why they don't set Victoria Day or Memorial Day as the target end date for the season.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 05 June 2023 11:42

Game two tonight!

I'd passively watch, but I'm sadly busy. Maybe the league gets more southern eyes because it's so hot in June and people would rather stay home in the AC? I will never understand why they don't set Victoria Day or Memorial Day as the target end date for the season.


If I were running the league, I might look to start training camps at the end of August and get the season under way in mid-September. That would buy you 3 extra weeks right there. Then I'd also make it so that they didn't have ridiculous breaks in the action during the playoffs. Both teams done in 4 or 5 games in the semis? Then you start 2-3 days later at absolute latest. And unless there's an exceptionally good reason why, I wouldn't have any extra days off in the Finals. Keeping people's attention, especially for those who aren't the fans of the last teams standing, means keeping the action on the ice.

I think the Oilers won in 1990 on May 31, and that doesn't seem that bad to me...but any later is just begging to have people turn their attention away.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 04 June 2023 14:44

Sounds like Vegas is a team of angels still, even though they are tossing cheap shots left and right. Not gonna watch any of this poop, but nice to hear the NHL is consistent.


Simpson remarked last game that Vegas had the worst PK percentage of any of the teams in the playoffs.. but he didn't relate it to anything else.. but the first thing I thought was yeah, sure they have the worst PK, that's probably explains why the refs call so few penalties on them.. game management in action.. generally if you have the worst PK you aren't the favourite in the NHL final.. seems like a very odd stat for a Stanley Cup finalist. 🤔



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Looks like two weeks off killed the Bobo mojo.


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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 00:08

Looks like two weeks off killed the Bobo mojo.


Think they go back to Lyon next game? We wasn't great against Boston (though not terrible - 9GA on 92 shots for a .902), and let in 3 on 15 shots last night, but first was on a clear breakaway, second was a breakaway/2 on 1, and the 3rd was a shot from the slot that deflected down off his dman's shin pad.

IMO none of the goals on Bob looked terrible, but when he's on, he finds a way to see and stop at least a couple of those.

Man - Is Adin Hill going to get paid this summer or what? 27 year old UFA probably Cup winner sporting 9-2-1 with a 2.06GAA, and a ridiculous .937 save %. That's 7th best since the lockout for goalies who have played as many games as him (13GP+). Financially, Broissoit getting hurt will probably end up being the best thing ever in his life.

Assuming he continues to play well the rest of this series, he has to be in the conversation for the Conn Smythe.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 07:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 00:08

Looks like two weeks off killed the Bobo mojo.


Think they go back to Lyon next game? We wasn't great against Boston (though not terrible - 9GA on 92 shots for a .902), and let in 3 on 15 shots last night, but first was on a clear breakaway, second was a breakaway/2 on 1, and the 3rd was a shot from the slot that deflected down off his dman's shin pad.

IMO none of the goals on Bob looked terrible, but when he's on, he finds a way to see and stop at least a couple of those.

Man - Is Adin Hill going to get paid this summer or what? 27 year old UFA probably Cup winner sporting 9-2-1 with a 2.06GAA, and a ridiculous .937 save %. That's 7th best since the lockout for goalies who have played as many games as him (13GP+). Financially, Broissoit getting hurt will probably end up being the best thing ever in his life.

Assuming he continues to play well the rest of this series, he has to be in the conversation for the Conn Smythe.


Hill better cash in. I would bet this is the best hockey he will ever play for the rest of his career, by a good margin.

Bobo definitely was making those miracle saves earlier in the playoffs. Oh well though, I don't hate seeing a goalies crazy run coming to an end, because it never happens for us :) Would have preferred it happen to Hill though.



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That's the kind of player WE could have picked up if we had management willing to work the system.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 June 2023 11:43

Is Barbashev the ultimate troll player of these playoffs for Oilers fans? Taken with our pick from the Perron trade. Has played the best hockey of his career these playoffs and burned us multiple times. He was also the guy Vegas got with their scam LTIR space when Stone was pre-determined that he will chill out 100% healthy until game 1 of the playoffs.

That's the kind of player WE could have picked up if we had management willing to work the system.


That kid was a stud when he played here in Moncton. Him and Dmitri Jaskin I think it was a year before. Both 2nd round picks for the Blues - Wildcat fanboys were convinced they would be NHL all stars.



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My prediction is Hill will be the next hot commodity goalie that will have teams bidding for him. Driedger was that guy a few years ago. Put up massive numbers for the Cats. 2.04 GA, .938 in 12 games, then 2.06 and .927 in 23 games the following year. Kraken get his rights. He goes from making 850 to 3.5 mill. Is brutal in his first 27 games 2.99, .899 before getting hurt.

Hill is making 2.175 and is a UFA. He's had decent numbers in a back up role before this, he had decent numbers this past year but in the playoff he's putting up numbers that are blowing his career numbers out of the water. Husso got 4.75 mill from the Wings. Goalies are in short supply so I could see some team giving him over 4 because of his playoffs then seeing him come back to earth and it being another cringe worth contract.



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The average PDO of a Stanley Cup champion is 101.4. The highest ever is 104.8 by the 2011 Bruins.

Vegas is at 106.9.

Analyzing the Golden Knights unprecedented level of good fortune in these playoffs:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyGqFr-WAAEMdbe?format=jpg&name=small



Not just cup winners on that chart too. Luckiest by a good margin, ever. Goalie playing like a top Conn Smythe winner, and half a dozen guys shooting at 2-3x their normal accuracy. Cheesy playoffs.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:27

dom @domluszczyszyn
The average PDO of a Stanley Cup champion is 101.4. The highest ever is 104.8 by the 2011 Bruins.

Vegas is at 106.9.

Analyzing the Golden Knights unprecedented level of good fortune in these playoffs:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyGqFr-WAAEMdbe?format=jpg&name=small



Not just cup winners on that chart too. Luckiest by a good margin, ever. Goalie playing like a top Conn Smythe winner, and half a dozen guys shooting at 2-3x their normal accuracy. Cheesy playoffs.

It's not luck, it's all management as I have been told in here. A puck bounces over a guys stick and Vegas bangs it in, that's good management by them. They get a key call or non call by the ref, to get a PP, that's management. So as an example, when Broberg got called by the ref at the other end of the ice for a hold on Eichel as the ref right in front watched Eichel holding Broberg and wasn't going to call anything. Vegas management caused the ref to make the wrong call and Eichel to sell it to the backside official to help them get a 5 on 3 PP. Brilliant stuff.
Guys shooting 2-3 times their normal is management.
Marchessault is at 17.4, he was 12 during the season.
Stephenson is at 28.5, he was 13.3
Barbesev is at 23.1, he was 12.7
Karlsson is at 25%, he was 8.7

Vegas management knew Brossoit was going to get hurt in the playoffs and Hill could shave half a goal off his GA and save 20 pts higher so they didn't make Hill the starter to save him.

There is no luck in hockey, that's management.

Even Florida. All Pittsburgh had to do was win 1 game against 2 of the worst teams in the league to finish the season but they lost both to let Florida in. That was Florida luck, that was management on their part making the Pens loss against AHL teams.

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There is no luck in hockey, that's management.


If given the choice between being lucky and being good, I pick being good 100 times out of 100. Losers wait around for luck and blame misfortune for their incompetency and dithering. Of course we know this is a false dichotomy because good teams are able to create their own luck.



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Game 3 of the finals. Going into OT.

Brutal officiating with ticky tack calls. Unless you are Kelly Hrudey.

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Alex Pietrangelo left the penalty box with no time remaining in game 4 to participate in a brawl. How the hell was he allowed to play in game 5? What happened to the 'automatic suspension' we saw in round 2? I thought DoPS had no say in those matters?


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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 13 June 2023 20:38

Alex Pietrangelo left the penalty box with no time remaining in game 4 to participate in a brawl. How the hell was he allowed to play in game 5? What happened to the 'automatic suspension' we saw in round 2? I thought DoPS had no say in those matters?


For NHL Corp. "automatic" suspension is merely an abstract conceptualization to be applied when required.


Screw Vegas.. Bettman .. Parros..

One interesting note came out after the game.. Tkachuk had a broken sternum.. Karma she's a bittch.. pay back for all his blind sides over the years.




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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 13 June 2023 21:38

Alex Pietrangelo left the penalty box with no time remaining in game 4 to participate in a brawl. How the hell was he allowed to play in game 5? What happened to the 'automatic suspension' we saw in round 2? I thought DoPS had no say in those matters?


It's actually pretty ridiculous. While I can understand how the automatic 10-game suspension didn't apply as the game ended and he was allowed out of the box, joining a scrum/fight after leaving the penalty box is super-problematic. Everyone was able to leave the player's bench too, but you didn't see the other 30 players piling in there. Horrible precedent. Parros really should be let go - he's a huge joke.



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So I've spent the past four days in Vegas (booked a trip to play in the World Series of Poker several months ago, long before I had any inkling that the final game of the SCF would be played here while I was here). While there were obviously lots of jersey around town today, I didn't sense a ton of buzz. I was playing poker while the game was on, and cheers went up for all the Vegas goals and at the end of the game, but after that it was just business as usual. When I walked back my hotel (a couple of blocks from the arena) at about 1am, there was barely any indication the city had just won the cup.

To be fair though, I was on the strip which is probably more dominated by tourists.



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I remember reading from posters on here ad nauseum how useless small players were in the playoffs. Seems Conn Smythe winner Marchessault didn't get the memo. icon_rolleyes

This year, more than any other since 2006, really hurt seeing the Cup winners hoist that thing. After the Avs, Bruins, and Lightning got punted, I really felt like it was ours for the taking, and seeing how easily the Knights dispatched of the Stars and Panthers just reinforces that even more. Grrrrr.

Anyway - screw Vegas and Parros. On to next year.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 05:16

I remember reading from posters on here ad nauseum how useless small players were in the playoffs. Seems Conn Smythe winner Marchessault didn't get the memo. icon_rolleyes

This year, more than any other since 2006, really hurt seeing the Cup winners hoist that thing. After the Avs, Bruins, and Lightning got punted, I really felt like it was ours for the taking, and seeing how easily the Knights dispatched of the Stars and Panthers just reinforces that even more. Grrrrr.

Anyway - screw Vegas and Parros. On to next year.

I would be one who has said smaller players will often struggle in the playoffs when the hockey gets much harder. I also said that to excel, smaller players have to do something very well.

Marchessault is a smaller player but he excels because he has a very good shot and he has the goal totals over his career to show he can shoot. Yamo is a very small player with a poor shot. On top of that, Marchessault is listed as 30lbs heavier than Yamo. So while Marchessault is only 1 inch taller than Yamo, he's way, way more stalky which helps him absorb contact better.

If Yamo can drastically improve his shot and put on a bunch of weight, then Yes, he can potentially do well. When you are 153 lbs probably with hockey gear on and you have a very weak shot shot you are going to struggle.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 05:16

I remember reading from posters on here ad nauseum how useless small players were in the playoffs. Seems Conn Smythe winner Marchessault didn't get the memo. icon_rolleyes

This year, more than any other since 2006, really hurt seeing the Cup winners hoist that thing. After the Avs, Bruins, and Lightning got punted, I really felt like it was ours for the taking, and seeing how easily the Knights dispatched of the Stars and Panthers just reinforces that even more. Grrrrr.

Anyway - screw Vegas and Parros. On to next year.


It's so sad for New Jersey. Maybe they have the wrong type of small player or something? All the same, maybe Jack Hughes shouldn't just pack it in now, given the Marchessault results...



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Well now it really really sucks that we hired Holland instead of Kelly McCrimmom. His name was all around the last GM vacancy in Edmonton.

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Nice to see another team that grossly abuses the cap rules win a cup. Tampa set the standard and Vegas made sure to take full advantage.

Pretty clear what has to happen. Cheat. All the salary cap sites have shifted to next season so I can't find the number but I think I remember seeing the Knights being 17-18 mill over. It's starting to get out of hand.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

Nice to see another team that grossly abuses the cap rules win a cup. Tampa set the standard and Vegas made sure to take full advantage.

Pretty clear what has to happen. Cheat. All the salary cap sites have shifted to next season so I can't find the number but I think I remember seeing the Knights being 17-18 mill over. It's starting to get out of hand.


I'm not saying this to pick on you RD but, I absolutely hate when people call cap circumvention "cheating". They are following the rules, maybe not exactly as the rules are intended but obviously the NHL has no problem with teams doing this (it has happened for a long time now) since they have done nothing to stop it.

Calling it cheating just sounds like people are upset that other teams are taking advantage of the rules and their team (our team) isn't. The anger is really misplaced, don't blame the NHL or the teams with good management that are doing this, blame the management teams that are still not taking advantage of the rules that are in place.



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Perkele wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

Nice to see another team that grossly abuses the cap rules win a cup. Tampa set the standard and Vegas made sure to take full advantage.

Pretty clear what has to happen. Cheat. All the salary cap sites have shifted to next season so I can't find the number but I think I remember seeing the Knights being 17-18 mill over. It's starting to get out of hand.


I'm not saying this to pick on you RD but, I absolutely hate when people call cap circumvention "cheating". They are following the rules, maybe not exactly as the rules are intended but obviously the NHL has no problem with teams doing this (it has happened for a long time now) since they have done nothing to stop it.

Calling it cheating just sounds like people are upset that other teams are taking advantage of the rules and their team (our team) isn't. The anger is really misplaced, don't blame the NHL or the teams with good management that are doing this, blame the management teams that are still not taking advantage of the rules that are in place.

Word it however you want. Don't like calling it cheating, fine, call it manipulating the system to find ways around following the intended rules. I don't think when the NHL drew it up, they thought teams would be blowing past the cap by 10's of millions of dollars in the playoffs. I don't think they thought teams would be delaying guys getting surgeries by weeks or a month all so a player can be on LTIR during the season, the team uses his cap space to load up, then game 1 he's good as new.

That is what is happening right now. Teams are manipulating the system to circumvent the cap. For the record, I think the Oilers should be doing that. If they can manipulate the system and be able to massage the medical records or postpone procedures or whatever the Tampa's and Vegas's are doing and be able to create pretend cap space using LTIR and add in a more expensive player they should be doing it because it's an advantage.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:35

Perkele wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

Nice to see another team that grossly abuses the cap rules win a cup. Tampa set the standard and Vegas made sure to take full advantage.

Pretty clear what has to happen. Cheat. All the salary cap sites have shifted to next season so I can't find the number but I think I remember seeing the Knights being 17-18 mill over. It's starting to get out of hand.


I'm not saying this to pick on you RD but, I absolutely hate when people call cap circumvention "cheating". They are following the rules, maybe not exactly as the rules are intended but obviously the NHL has no problem with teams doing this (it has happened for a long time now) since they have done nothing to stop it.

Calling it cheating just sounds like people are upset that other teams are taking advantage of the rules and their team (our team) isn't. The anger is really misplaced, don't blame the NHL or the teams with good management that are doing this, blame the management teams that are still not taking advantage of the rules that are in place.

Word it however you want. Don't like calling it cheating, fine, call it manipulating the system to find ways around following the intended rules. I don't think when the NHL drew it up, they thought teams would be blowing past the cap by 10's of millions of dollars in the playoffs. I don't think they thought teams would be delaying guys getting surgeries by weeks or a month all so a player can be on LTIR during the season, the team uses his cap space to load up, then game 1 he's good as new.

That is what is happening right now. Teams are manipulating the system to circumvent the cap.


Perkele is correct. This isn't cheating - it's playing with the rules as they're written. The NHL has had 10 years to fix this and hasn't so it's just the accepted norm now. If we happen to be run by a dinosaur who doesn't like it so just stubbornly refuses to think about it? Well, that's our choice to be less competitive by refusing to use a tool that's provided for us.

The thing I have the biggest challenge with is that it doesn't even require any creativity any more because there's been so many teams trailblaze this. It's just simple copycat actions, so it should be really easy for the team to figure out. Not to mention, we DID use LTIR to our benefit this year and we were over the cap with our playoff team. We just didn't make full use of it. Sitting out Kane or Yamamoto would have given us the ability to add someone like Barbashev or JVR or even maybe a real goalie.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:35

Perkele wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:29

Nice to see another team that grossly abuses the cap rules win a cup. Tampa set the standard and Vegas made sure to take full advantage.

Pretty clear what has to happen. Cheat. All the salary cap sites have shifted to next season so I can't find the number but I think I remember seeing the Knights being 17-18 mill over. It's starting to get out of hand.


I'm not saying this to pick on you RD but, I absolutely hate when people call cap circumvention "cheating". They are following the rules, maybe not exactly as the rules are intended but obviously the NHL has no problem with teams doing this (it has happened for a long time now) since they have done nothing to stop it.

Calling it cheating just sounds like people are upset that other teams are taking advantage of the rules and their team (our team) isn't. The anger is really misplaced, don't blame the NHL or the teams with good management that are doing this, blame the management teams that are still not taking advantage of the rules that are in place.

Word it however you want. Don't like calling it cheating, fine, call it manipulating the system to find ways around following the intended rules. I don't think when the NHL drew it up, they thought teams would be blowing past the cap by 10's of millions of dollars in the playoffs. I don't think they thought teams would be delaying guys getting surgeries by weeks or a month all so a player can be on LTIR during the season, the team uses his cap space to load up, then game 1 he's good as new.

That is what is happening right now. Teams are manipulating the system to circumvent the cap.


Perkele is correct. This isn't cheating - it's playing with the rules as they're written. The NHL has had 10 years to fix this and hasn't so it's just the accepted norm now. If we happen to be run by a dinosaur who doesn't like it so just stubbornly refuses to think about it? Well, that's our choice to be less competitive by refusing to use a tool that's provided for us.

The thing I have the biggest challenge with is that it doesn't even require any creativity any more because there's been so many teams trailblaze this. It's just simple copycat actions, so it should be really easy for the team to figure out. Not to mention, we DID use LTIR to our benefit this year and we were over the cap with our playoff team. We just didn't make full use of it. Sitting out Kane or Yamamoto would have given us the ability to add someone like Barbashev or JVR or even maybe a real goalie.


Even you must know that had the Oilers done that, they would have been penalized at least a 2nd round draft pick and the loophole would get closed



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