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Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #2) [message #821389] |
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 g2k
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#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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tardigrade81
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Hell yes
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Adam
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YEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Ragnarok73
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Good to tie up the series, but please guys, PLEASE make it easier on yourselves moving forward.
D-I-S-C-I-P-L-I-N-E.
Please remember this for the rest of the series.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
5-14-6-1
"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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HamBlaster
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No more absolutely stupid penalties... and maybe McDavid's line will show up sometime? Might be nice?
Leon is a monster right now, and Connor is a whimper.
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Kr55
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| HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:53 |
No more absolutely stupid penalties... and maybe McDavid's line will show up sometime? Might be nice?
Leon is a monster right now, and Connor is a whimper.
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Nuge and hyman looked a lot better in that third period. Encouraging. They are playing McDavid hard, he's gonna need his wingers going too.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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Adam
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| HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:53 |
No more absolutely stupid penalties... and maybe McDavid's line will show up sometime? Might be nice?
Leon is a monster right now, and Connor is a whimper.
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Again, lots of bad takes on our players early in this series.
McDavid had 6 shots and four hits. Yeah, he didn't have a multi-point night. But we didn't need him to - we still won.
He's going to light it up in Los Angeles.
People need to settle down rather than crapping all over anyone who hasn't scored a goal tonight.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Kr55
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:00 |
| HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:53 |
No more absolutely stupid penalties... and maybe McDavid's line will show up sometime? Might be nice?
Leon is a monster right now, and Connor is a whimper.
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Again, lots of bad takes on our players early in this series.
McDavid had 6 shots and four hits. Yeah, he didn't have a multi-point night. But we didn't need him to - we still won.
He's going to light it up in Los Angeles.
People need to settle down rather than crapping all over anyone who hasn't scored a goal tonight.
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Almost all McDavid stuff were solo efforts. Just shows how much better we can still be. Dominating with maybe half our top 6 forwards off their games a bit still. Time to trash these suckers in LA for real
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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K.McC#24
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Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:10 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:00 |
| HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:53 |
No more absolutely stupid penalties... and maybe McDavid's line will show up sometime? Might be nice?
Leon is a monster right now, and Connor is a whimper.
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Again, lots of bad takes on our players early in this series.
McDavid had 6 shots and four hits. Yeah, he didn't have a multi-point night. But we didn't need him to - we still won.
He's going to light it up in Los Angeles.
People need to settle down rather than crapping all over anyone who hasn't scored a goal tonight.
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Almost all McDavid stuff were solo efforts. Just shows how much better we can still be. Dominating with maybe half our top 6 forwards off their games a bit still. Time to trash these suckers in LA for real
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Yup we've seen nowhere close to the best this team can deliver. Maybe 3 periods out of 6. The penalties sucked their momentum from the first period and LA took over again.
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Kr55
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Better to lay the egg in the 2nd than the 3rd.
Nice win!
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrusaderPi
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:52 |
Better to lay the egg in the 2nd than the 3rd.
Nice win!
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The kings really screwed up tying the game too early. I suspect they’ll correct their game plan when they’re at home.
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NZ Oiler Fan
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Wooo let's go baby! What an absolute laser from Kostin on that GWG. Kings still diving all over the place looking for calls in that last 5 mins, but refs having none of it.
Given everything that happened in game 1 that was a crazy stressful last few minutes. Pumped that we held them out.
Gotta get up for work in 4 hrs...le sigh.
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g2k
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I’m still reeling on that shot by Kostin.
What a deceptive release.
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Leia
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It's only game 2 and I'm already exhausted with worry we'd let that lead slip, don't think Kane helped when he lost the puck on the empty net. I had visions of Patrik Stefan in front of my eyes.
Take me home, country road
to the place where I belong
to Alberta, to see the Oilers
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Adam
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Some more iffy analysis by the panel after the game. Skinner got the W, but he could still be a lot sharper. He looks nervous out there. Needs to settle down and play his game.
I think Korpisalo's been significantly better in both games so far. Made way more difficult saves and is the only reason that we haven't scored five or six in both of these nights. Skinner hasn't make a lot of huge ones. Hopefully getting the win gives him the confidence he needs to be a lot better moving forward.
Fortunately, Holland forced this team to play in front of a Smith/Koskinen duo for three years. They know how to carry a goalie when they need to!
For what it's worth, I think he'll be better. Maybe the quieter crowd in LA will help settle those nerves.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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CrusaderPi
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:03 |
Some more iffy analysis by the panel after the game. Skinner got the W, but he could still be a lot sharper. He looks nervous out there. Needs to settle down and play his game.
I think Korpisalo's been significantly better in both games so far. Made way more difficult saves and is the only reason that we haven't scored five or six in both of these nights. Skinner hasn't make a lot of huge ones. Hopefully getting the win gives him the confidence he needs to be a lot better moving forward.
Fortunately, Holland forced this team to play in front of a Smith/Koskinen duo for three years. They know how to carry a goalie when they need to!
For what it's worth, I think he'll be better. Maybe the quieter crowd in LA will help settle those nerves.
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Korpisalo has to outplay Skinner for the Kings to beat the Oilers. I think every opposing goaltender will have to do that this playoffs. The Oilers are just a better offensive team than everyone?
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K.McC#24
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I'm still not sure the lessons that should have been learned from game 1 have sunk in, but they tied the series.
Oilers finally quit taking penalties in the 3rd, and the refs continued not to find anything to call against LA.
Better outing from Skinner, but most nights he might stop one of the 2 that went by his toe. He shut the door late, importantly. Derek Ryan continuing to show his value on this club. Kostin making efficient use of what Friedman says is around 8 minutes TOI with a bunch of hits and the GWG. Some guys still have to start closing the deal on chances they're getting.
If I'm being honest, I'm not sure I can take the Oilers continuing handing 2 goal leads back to LA to make games even, over a long series.
Still waiting for a better game from the Oilers, time to deliver it and take the lead in the series starting next game.
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Kr55
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:11 |
I'm still not sure the lessons that should have been learned from game 1 have sunk in, but they tied the series.
Oilers finally quit taking penalties in the 3rd, and the refs continued not to find anything to call against LA.
Better outing from Skinner, but most nights he might stop one of the 2 that went by his toe. He shut the door late, importantly. Derek Ryan continuing to show his value on this club. Kostin making efficient use of what Friedman says is around 8 minutes TOI with a bunch of hits and the GWG. Some guys still have to start closing the deal on chances they're getting.
If I'm being honest, I'm not sure I can take the Oilers continuing handing 2 goal leads back to LA to make games even, over a long series.
Still waiting for a better game from the Oilers, time to deliver it and take the lead in the series starting next game.
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Kostin and Ryan goals are the kind of thing we've been dreaming to be able to get when games matter for a decade and a half (for 70% of that, we would have even liked them when the games didn't matter!). Love it.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
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Early start for Drai to try to get another comical playoff stat line. 5 points in first 2 games.
[Updated on: Wed, 19 April 2023 23:17]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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smyth260
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Leon is a gamer in the playoffs.
3rd fastest player in NHL history to 60 points, only behind Lemieux and Gretzky.
He deserves his own chants sometimes.
Clean house or bust
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Skookum Jim
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:18 |
Leon is a gamer in the playoffs.
3rd fastest player in NHL history to 60 points, only behind Lemieux and Gretzky.
He deserves his own chants sometimes.
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Once LA starts to shift focus to Leon.. watch out for McDavid.. Ka-Boom 💥 !
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
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Jay
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:18 |
Leon is a gamer in the playoffs.
3rd fastest player in NHL history to 60 points, only behind Lemieux and Gretzky.
He deserves his own chants sometimes.
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I still think the only player in the conversation with McDavid for best player in the world is 'playoff Draisaitl'.
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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inverno76
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| Jay wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 11:36 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:18 |
Leon is a gamer in the playoffs.
3rd fastest player in NHL history to 60 points, only behind Lemieux and Gretzky.
He deserves his own chants sometimes.
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I still think the only player in the conversation with McDavid for best player in the world is 'playoff Draisaitl'.
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Negotiating rule #1. Your comment has made it easy to agree, and very difficult to disagree.
'Playoff Draisaitl' just hitched up the trailer and he is pulling the team up every time he is on the ice.
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K.McC#24
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:14 |
Early start for Drai to try to get another comical playoff stat line. 5 points in first 2 games.
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It can't be understated how valuable a healthy and motivated can be for this team. If he wasn't going for some reason, they'd be in a hole.
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tardigrade81
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Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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CrusaderPi
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Hockey would be boring.
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Skookum Jim
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:35 |
| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
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The price of a deadly PP. Refs start to feel like giving us a powerplay is like awarding us a goal. They can't handle having that much power.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:35 |
| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
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The price of a deadly PP. Refs start to feel like giving us a powerplay is like awarding us a goal. They can't handle having that much power.
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.. which causes "game management" strategies.. which by its nature will always skews game/series results away from their natural outcomes.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 01:04 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:35 |
| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
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The price of a deadly PP. Refs start to feel like giving us a powerplay is like awarding us a goal. They can't handle having that much power.
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.. which causes "game management" strategies.. which by its nature will always skews game/series results
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Their minds are blown I think. This is a whole new factor into the game management calculation. Even if LA racks up powerplays, they are still scared to give an even up one because how likely it is to award a goal is too high.
Only solution remains robot refs :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:05 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 01:04 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:35 |
| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
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The price of a deadly PP. Refs start to feel like giving us a powerplay is like awarding us a goal. They can't handle having that much power.
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.. which causes "game management" strategies.. which by its nature will always skews game/series results
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Their minds are blown I think. This is a whole new factor into the game management calculation. Even if LA racks up powerplays, they are still scared to give an even up one because how likely it is to award a goal is too high.
Only solution remains robot refs :)
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.. enter AI program referees.. 
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 01:08 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:05 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 01:04 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 23:45 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:35 |
| tardigrade81 wrote on Wed, 19 April 2023 22:29 |
Imagine if we didn’t take penalties
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Imagine if we got more than 1 powerplay..
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The price of a deadly PP. Refs start to feel like giving us a powerplay is like awarding us a goal. They can't handle having that much power.
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.. which causes "game management" strategies.. which by its nature will always skews game/series results
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Their minds are blown I think. This is a whole new factor into the game management calculation. Even if LA racks up powerplays, they are still scared to give an even up one because how likely it is to award a goal is too high.
Only solution remains robot refs :)
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.. enter AI program referees..
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Yes! can't come soon enough :)
I think the actual plan for these refs is to try to call nothing, just 1 or 2 each a game. We just keep doing goofy stuff to force their hand. LA's been more disciplined about the really obvious play affecting infractions.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 00:09 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 01:08 |
.. enter AI program referees..
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Yes! can't come soon enough :)
I think the actual plan for these refs is to try to call nothing, just 1 or 2 each a game. We just keep doing goofy stuff to force their hand. LA's been more disciplined about the really obvious play affecting infractions.
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.. one of the AI referee's toughest challenges will be to determine legitimate offenses.. for instance..
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Mike
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Though it's a little discouraging to be going to LA tied at 1, what is very encouraging is that I think we've thoroughly outplayed the Kings for at least 100 of the 129 minutes so in this series. Probably even more.
How about Connor Crusher McDavid? Jesus is he ever laying the body! Like hard hits - everything that moves. I saw people commenting on him not having done much - assuming they didn't watch the games and just looked at the box scores. He could have had 5 points last night. Like McDavid said to Scott Oake, Korpisalo was very good. But other than that, he's asserting himself physically like I've never seen. And how about some of those defensive efforts? I think he's been great, and if he keeps playing like that the points totals will inevitably start shooting up.
On the other end of the physicality spectrum is McLeod. There was this one play in the 3rd in the offensive zone where he was easily going to get to the puck first, but there was an LA Dman heading for the puck as well, so he most assuredly would have needed to take a hit to make the play. Instead, he slammed on the brakes and waved his stick at the puck. King defender took the puck and fired a pass up to his winger and the Kings got a solid scoring chance out of it. I don't want to make him a whipping boy, it's just that he's got so many great tools and potential to be a really good player for this team, and I want to see it happen. But his refusal to engage and even bailing out of plays because he might get hit (at least that's what it looked like) is frustrating to see. I've not been happy with Yamo's results, but at least he seems to be giving it his all out there. Anyway - maybe someone can go kick McLeod's cat before the next game and get him riled up.
Ekholm with his 2nd minus game in a row after only having 1 in his 21 regular season games as an Oiler. What a bum. Seriously though - what a pickup this guy was. That entire D corps looks completely different since his arrival.
And though not something used by many other teams, I really like this 11-7 setup. That first goal does happen if we were 12-6. I think horses like Drai and McDavid can easily handle 7-8 minutes that a 4C would be getting, and it actually makes them a threat to score rather than just hoping to not get scored on. And if you were to lose a Dman early in a game, it not nearly as catastrophic as going down to 5 guys, especially if the game gets to OT.
Interestingly (to me anyway) - our 7th dman, Broberg, only got 4:39 of ice time, but he managed to get a shot on goal, 3 hits, and a +2! I thought he looked fine in his limited action.
Anyway - mostly great effort by the boys. Little lapse there in the 2nd, but hopefully having let 2 goal leads slip away twice in a row incentivizes them to keep at it for the full 60 from here on out.
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Skookum Jim
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
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Skookum Jim
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[Updated on: Thu, 20 April 2023 01:01]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
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RDOilerfan
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Big win. I agree with the comments about the panels comments not being accurate.
Skinner made some big saves but I thought both goals were smelly, especially the second one. Korpisalo has kept the Kings in both games as without his heroics, both games would have been well out of reach. I do wonder if the crowd has gotten to him a bit and he is nervous. He mentioned after the first game the crowd was louder than what he expected. On the second goal, he mentioned how it was a learning moment about needing to seal off the post better. I never played the position but when a guy is trying to jam a puck into the side, shouldn't you always seal off the post? Not saying he's been bad, just not as good as Korp.
McD and Nuge still too quiet for me offensively. I know the Kings are good defensively and I am sure they are concentrating on McD but Leon is having a damn good series so if he is able to break through, McD should be. The good news is they are tied in the series and have in my opinion controlled most of both games without McD being all world. At some point, he will explode.
I thought the defense was excellent. No shots until after the 18 min mark of the first is pretty incredible. I know Desharnais needs to be a bit harder on his stick when he was stripped on the second goal but at the same time, that was a really bad one on Skinner so I am not going to fault him too much. Things happen and if all you give up for scoring chance wise is a low percentage jam play at the side of the net that should be save 10 out of 10 times, I will take that.
I know sometimes his puck play in his own end isn't great but I would like to see Kostin get more mins. He makes things happen when he is out there. A goal, 2 shots, 5 hits in 7:42 is pretty productive.
I think the Oilers need to become more "cagey" as Debrusk put it when the "cagey" vet Doughty drew a penalty out of nothing. The refs don't want to give the Oilers PP's very easily because they know the Oilers will score on them so it's pretty clear they have to dive and embellish. PP's were 4-1 Kings last night, 10-4 in the series. I am sorry but the Kings aren't playing perfect, 100% clean hockey. As an example Desharnais got a closed fist, glove on punch in the face and no call.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2529
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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Imagine if McDavid gets going how lethal we will be
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inverno76
Messages: 2357
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
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| tardigrade81 wrote on Thu, 20 April 2023 08:38 |
Imagine WHEN McDavid gets going how lethal we will be
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Fixed it for you.
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