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 Patrick Kane [message #825292]
Wed, 23 August 2023 13:34 Go to next message
Dragon_Matt  is currently offline Dragon_Matt
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/patrick-kane-coming-to- oilers-mid-season-talks-picking-up-steam/ar-AA1fpgpQ?ocid=hp msn&cvid=54f254b18e29404d835f852b601b7e5c&ei=14

If Patrick Kane is going to join a team mid season (Oilers or otherwise), would it not make sense for a team to sign him right after the start of the season? If you sign a player to a contact while he's injured, do you still get the cap relief?
If so, Kane could help his potential new team by signing early, giving them additional wiggle room in their roster before he's fit to play.



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825294 is a reply to message #825292 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That sounds an awful lot like the cap circumvention everyone complains about when it's not the Oilers doing it.

The Oilers don't need more offense. Can they convert Kane to a rugged defender who can pass?



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825296 is a reply to message #825294 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If your deployment was to have your line outscore the other teams line, I don't think a 3rd or 4th line including Kane is a bad thing. Whether it's him on those lines, or he pushes someone else down to that spot, it spreads out your scoring that much more. Also, more scoring from bottom lines means you can play your top lines less, they're more rested and can better outplay other teams top lines.

Are you telling me you would rather see Lane Pederson, Derek Ryan, Mattias Janmark or Drake Caggiula instead of Patty Kane? We only have 42 of 50 contracts (43 once Bouch signs)



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825299 is a reply to message #825296 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 23 August 2023 14:02

If your deployment was to have your line outscore the other teams line, I don't think a 3rd or 4th line including Kane is a bad thing. Whether it's him on those lines, or he pushes someone else down to that spot, it spreads out your scoring that much more. Also, more scoring from bottom lines means you can play your top lines less, they're more rested and can better outplay other teams top lines.

Are you telling me you would rather see Lane Pederson, Derek Ryan, Mattias Janmark or Drake Caggiula instead of Patty Kane? We only have 42 of 50 contracts (43 once Bouch signs)

Maybe. I didn't watch Kane skate last year and I don't necessarily trust 35 year olds to play high energy 3rd line roles when they've been getting top line minutes for 1100 games. Kane got 21 goals in toppish line minutes last year. How does that translate to the Oilers third and how much more expensive is that compared to the plus you mentioned?



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825307 is a reply to message #825296 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 23 August 2023 13:02

If your deployment was to have your line outscore the other teams line, I don't think a 3rd or 4th line including Kane is a bad thing. Whether it's him on those lines, or he pushes someone else down to that spot, it spreads out your scoring that much more. Also, more scoring from bottom lines means you can play your top lines less, they're more rested and can better outplay other teams top lines.

Are you telling me you would rather see Lane Pederson, Derek Ryan, Mattias Janmark or Drake Caggiula instead of Patty Kane? We only have 42 of 50 contracts (43 once Bouch signs)


Kane was 49/58 in GF/GA last year. Granted he was 15/11 with the Rangers, but his underlying numbers were still junk, so probably a bit of luck there. Given all of the options of what the Oilers could do to make the team better, I'm not sure Patrick Kane makes my top 10.



Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825310 is a reply to message #825307 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goose wrote on Wed, 23 August 2023 17:16

Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 23 August 2023 13:02

If your deployment was to have your line outscore the other teams line, I don't think a 3rd or 4th line including Kane is a bad thing. Whether it's him on those lines, or he pushes someone else down to that spot, it spreads out your scoring that much more. Also, more scoring from bottom lines means you can play your top lines less, they're more rested and can better outplay other teams top lines.

Are you telling me you would rather see Lane Pederson, Derek Ryan, Mattias Janmark or Drake Caggiula instead of Patty Kane? We only have 42 of 50 contracts (43 once Bouch signs)


Kane was 49/58 in GF/GA last year. Granted he was 15/11 with the Rangers, but his underlying numbers were still junk, so probably a bit of luck there. Given all of the options of what the Oilers could do to make the team better, I'm not sure Patrick Kane makes my top 10.


He was apparently hurt a lot of the year, but teams have to be aware that he’s 35 and that injuries may start to happen more regularly for him now. There’s a definite chance that that’s the new normal for Patrick Kane. If you can get him at a bargain price then maybe it’s work the risk but I would bet that he has one more substantial contract coming to him before he’s a bargain price player.



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825300 is a reply to message #825294 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 23 August 2023 13:43

That sounds an awful lot like the cap circumvention everyone complains about when it's not the Oilers doing it.

The Oilers don't need more offense. Can they convert Kane to a rugged defender who can pass?


I would argue we actually do need a winger that can make plays. McDavid and Drai score as well as anyone now, but our lineup is set up that they have to do 95% of the playmaking 5v5. None of Nuge, Kane or Hyman can drive play very well and make good plays on rushes. Nuge handles the puck like a hot potato 5v5 and panic passes to the first teammate he sees or dumps it in within 0.2 seconds of taking a pass. Kane can't pass worth a crap, and Hyman is a board grinder. That just killed us in the playoffs. Our wingers were just awful and unable to help generate offense, which lead to us having to go back to the old top loaded lineup.

If Kane would sign dirt cheap, I would add him. If he wants more than ~1-1.5M then he can piss off. Lots of guys in his situation have signed dirt cheap to try to win, that's all I would accept from him.



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825297 is a reply to message #825292 ]
Wed, 23 August 2023 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I mean, a team could sign him for $10 million tell him be ready for game 1 of the playoffs, and not have it matter cap wise.

I'm hoping the league has something written to prevent that from happening.



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 Re: Patrick Kane [message #825313 is a reply to message #825297 ]
Thu, 24 August 2023 10:05 Go to previous message
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I couldn't find anything about signing a player who's injured.
Only the part about being cap compliant on day 1 of the season vs going over from LTIR after the start of the season (which is why I say for Kane to sign on day 2)

Anyone able to find anything on it I missed?



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