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 tardigrade81
Messages: 2878
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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We need our stars back badly
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Kr55
Messages: 11269
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Jay
Messages: 712
Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Yeah but at least they didn't "get cute with it"! They just offered up that first and the sharks took it - what a shrewd move!
Also the blues got a 23 year old top 4 (minimum) for a 2nd. The oilers got flexibility to sign john klingberg and give up a 1st for Wallman.
Starting to think daryl Katz's oilers didn't and don't deserve the good fortune of 29 and 97. Look at what they've built around those 2..lol it's pretty amazing really. Nice 50/50 documentaries though.
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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inverno76
Messages: 2409
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Overall, I have liked Walman and I’ve never been a Fowler fan. Are we just piling on because we are completely decimated by injuries right now and need to project on to someone?
Plus Fowler came a bigger cap hit and is older. I couldn’t imagine the outrage if we made that deal.
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PlusOne
Messages: 1636
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask
1 Cup
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| inverno76 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 14:55 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Overall, I have liked Walman and I’ve never been a Fowler fan. Are we just piling on because we are completely decimated by injuries right now and need to project on to someone?
Plus Fowler came a bigger cap hit and is older. I couldn’t imagine the outrage if we made that deal.
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It's the Oiler fan way. Misdirected anger, blame and scapegoating gets in the way a lot of the time.
Walman has been inconsistent. Overall I am not a big fan but he does bring some good things and I think he has a place on a successful team.
I am with you on Fowler, I want no part of him, at his cap hit.
Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on
| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21 |
und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.
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Kr55
Messages: 11269
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 18:59 |
| inverno76 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 14:55 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Overall, I have liked Walman and I’ve never been a Fowler fan. Are we just piling on because we are completely decimated by injuries right now and need to project on to someone?
Plus Fowler came a bigger cap hit and is older. I couldn’t imagine the outrage if we made that deal.
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It's the Oiler fan way. Misdirected anger, blame and scapegoating gets in the way a lot of the time.
Walman has been inconsistent. Overall I am not a big fan but he does bring some good things and I think he has a place on a successful team.
I am with you on Fowler, I want no part of him, at his cap hit.
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Complaining about a poorly constructed D group doesn’t need like misdirected anger to me. Just pointing out what’s been going on for over a decade and a big part of the continued waste of a generational players career (and a borderline generational one at the same time).
Fowler is playing like a legit top pair D and helped reboot the Blues season again. 1 year left on his deal, being willing to give a first instead of second probably buys some cap retention. A gamble for sure if a solid player spending years on a toilet team still has his old game left, but sure looked like he does. Good pro scouting could probably make a good educated call on that, but we don’t have such people in our org, clearly.
Oh well though, just and example in a sea of a decade of mismanagement. Endless possibilities that could have been done better and even more that couldn’t be done because of the endless poor decisions that have handicapped us.
[Updated on: Sun, 06 April 2025 20:08]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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PlusOne
Messages: 1636
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask
1 Cup
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| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 20:03 |
| PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 18:59 |
| inverno76 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 14:55 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Overall, I have liked Walman and I’ve never been a Fowler fan. Are we just piling on because we are completely decimated by injuries right now and need to project on to someone?
Plus Fowler came a bigger cap hit and is older. I couldn’t imagine the outrage if we made that deal.
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It's the Oiler fan way. Misdirected anger, blame and scapegoating gets in the way a lot of the time.
Walman has been inconsistent. Overall I am not a big fan but he does bring some good things and I think he has a place on a successful team.
I am with you on Fowler, I want no part of him, at his cap hit.
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Complaining about a poorly constructed D group doesn’t need like misdirected anger to me. Just pointing out what’s been going on for over a decade and a big part of the continued waste of a generational players career (and a borderline generational one at the same time).
Fowler is playing like a legit top pair D and helped reboot the Blues season again. 1 year left on his deal, being willing to give a first instead of second probably buys some cap retention. A gamble for sure if a solid player spending years on a toilet team still has his old game left, but sure looked like he does. Good pro scouting could probably make a good educated call on that, but we don’t have such people in our org, clearly.
Oh well though, just and example in a sea of a decade of mismanagement. Endless possibilities that could have been done better and even more that couldn’t be done because of the endless poor decisions that have handicapped us.
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To clarify, my generalized comment wasn't targeting you. I often enjoy your takes, both those I agree and disagree with.
RE; Fowler and Walman.
I have never like Fowler, thought he was overhyped based on spells of good play that somehow overshadows, often longer, spells of bad play.
I mentioned above that I am not a huge Walman fan but he is 3.1 AAV cheaper than Fowler.
For discussions sake let's say the Oilers got Fowler but not Walman. Where would you suggest the cap room come from?
Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on
| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21 |
und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.
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Kr55
Messages: 11269
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 20:03 |
| PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 18:59 |
| inverno76 wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 14:55 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 16:39 |
Rough night for Walman. Keep trying to block out that the Blues got an actual top pair D for a 2nd and prospect in Fowler. Oh well
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Overall, I have liked Walman and I’ve never been a Fowler fan. Are we just piling on because we are completely decimated by injuries right now and need to project on to someone?
Plus Fowler came a bigger cap hit and is older. I couldn’t imagine the outrage if we made that deal.
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It's the Oiler fan way. Misdirected anger, blame and scapegoating gets in the way a lot of the time.
Walman has been inconsistent. Overall I am not a big fan but he does bring some good things and I think he has a place on a successful team.
I am with you on Fowler, I want no part of him, at his cap hit.
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Complaining about a poorly constructed D group doesn’t need like misdirected anger to me. Just pointing out what’s been going on for over a decade and a big part of the continued waste of a generational players career (and a borderline generational one at the same time).
Fowler is playing like a legit top pair D and helped reboot the Blues season again. 1 year left on his deal, being willing to give a first instead of second probably buys some cap retention. A gamble for sure if a solid player spending years on a toilet team still has his old game left, but sure looked like he does. Good pro scouting could probably make a good educated call on that, but we don’t have such people in our org, clearly.
Oh well though, just and example in a sea of a decade of mismanagement. Endless possibilities that could have been done better and even more that couldn’t be done because of the endless poor decisions that have handicapped us.
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Will add, I don't hate Walman, he's had good flashes. With 260 career games at 29 year old, he is a gamble pickup for a team that should be a contender though, no way around that. Gonna badly need him to be a stabilizing force on his off-side for 4 rounds.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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NetBOG
Messages: 3017
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
3 Cups
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Really impressive game from the Oilers. Didn’t really give an inch and shut things down really well. Just need the big boys for some offence.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4709
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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Obvious to me why the Kings have such a great home win record.. that officiating was total Home-Town .. ref compensation currently undocumented.. that call on Bouchard against Foogle was a total fraud by the ref.. should get fired for that one.. Bouchard turns away from Foegle on the shoot in.. Foegle grabs Bouchard's arm and drags him down from behind.. and Bouchard gets the penalty.. Its almost like the Refs must be required to fulfill an LA home game power play quota ...
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!! (Thank you Lord!)
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
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Kr55
Messages: 11269
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 18:21 |
Obvious to me why the Kings have such a great home win record.. that officiating was total Home-Town .. ref compensation currently undocumented.. that call on Bouchard against Foogle was a total fraud by the ref.. should get fired for that one.. Bouchard turns away from Foegle on the shoot in.. Foegle grabs Bouchard's arm and drags him down from behind.. and Bouchard gets the penalty.. Its almost like the Refs must be required to fulfill an LA home game power play quota ...
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The LA players were having a good laugh on the bench after they ended up with a PP on that play.
[Updated on: Sat, 05 April 2025 21:22]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Jay
Messages: 712
Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
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Is it time to start asking why these players are being allowed to play when they obviously aren't ready? That's Elkholm, Draisaitl and now it looks like Frederik that have come back too early.
You could argue Skinner too if you counted the concussion spotter game.
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2878
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
2 Cups
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| Jay wrote on Sun, 06 April 2025 04:16 |
Is it time to start asking why these players are being allowed to play when they obviously aren't ready? That's Elkholm, Draisaitl and now it looks like Frederik that have come back too early.
You could argue Skinner too if you counted the concussion spotter game.
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Well said. It's frustrating
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inverno76
Messages: 2409
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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| Jay wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 21:16 |
Is it time to start asking why these players are being allowed to play when they obviously aren't ready? That's Elkholm, Draisaitl and now it looks like Frederik that have come back too early.
You could argue Skinner too if you counted the concussion spotter game.
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I don’t think you can argue the Skinner return.return. The knee to the head probably messed up his neck more than a concussion. Draisaitl return looked good until what, 2 separate mishaps that may be completely unrelated. The stepping in the puck looked to be the worst. My groin cried for him. Frederic looks like he’s battling an ankle sprain and that’s just pain tolerance now.
Ekholm? I dunno. McDavid too. No idea.
Maybe I’m just being an apologist?
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Adam
Messages: 7306
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
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| Jay wrote on Sat, 05 April 2025 21:16 |
Is it time to start asking why these players are being allowed to play when they obviously aren't ready? That's Elkholm, Draisaitl and now it looks like Frederik that have come back too early.
You could argue Skinner too if you counted the concussion spotter game.
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I do really question the Frederic start when he clearly got hurt again on the first shift. Came back and continued to play, but laboured.
Was listening to much of the game on the radio and Stauffer clearly going full man-crush on Frederic...although if he's damaged goods, I don't know how much we're going to get out of him. Hopefully this doesn't end up another Mike Green situation.
Seems like maybe a bit of a fail on the scouting/medical side of things too. I thought we gave up a pretty high price for him when we thought he would actually play soon!
Speaking of which, has there been any sightings of that big injured defenceman we traded for earlier in the year? Or is he still on the shelf too?
My biggest concern with this game was that the Oilers just didn't seem dangerous at all all afternoon. The Kings controlled the play, and the team barely had any great chances on Kuemper. It's as if the coach still had them play the same style where they just wait for McDavid and Draisaitl to win it for them...but without that cavalry ever coming.
Would be good to see a little more attack out of this team so that it's not completely reliant on those guys going nuclear to advance in the playoffs.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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