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Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806702]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:00

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806737 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:38

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Better show up for the next game

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806738 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:38

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Replay of the March game. Some Oilers have to be embarrassed by their game tonight.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806744 is a reply to message #806738 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:53

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This series is gonna be the Pens-Flyers of a few years ago. High scoring absolutely bonkers games where everything happens. Most entertaining series of the entire playoffs, that people will be talking about for years.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806739 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:41

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Learning moment for the archives, right?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806742 is a reply to message #806739 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:51

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Turning point in the game was the 7th goal coming so soon after Yamo's goal brought us level. We needed another couple of straight offensive zone shifts after the goal to really put the wobbles into Calgary. The Anderson goal just took the wind out of the sails and we didn't look like scoring after that.

Yeah the score isn't great, but look we came back from 4 goals down twice to tie the game. We know we can get at the Flames, we have to look how we did that, tighten up at the back and go to work in game 2.

We lost game 1 of the last series, we blamed the netminder then for that loss. We weren't complaining at the end of the series were we??

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806764 is a reply to message #806742 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 06:24

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Leia wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:51

We lost game 1 of the last series, we blamed the netminder then for that loss. We weren't complaining at the end of the series were we??

Truth be told, the Oilers are really in tough here.

Looked like you were comparing the Kings to the Flames there for a second.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806743 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:52

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If Markstrom plays like that we've got this series.

Only game 1.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806761 is a reply to message #806743 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 02:59

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Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:52

If Markstrom plays like that we've got this series.

Only game 1.

Imagine if they showed up on a night he couldn’t stop a puck.
They absolutely p1$$ed this one away.
Smith blew arse, so did Kosk, but no one showed up until they were getting embarrassed.

Your move this off-season, Motown

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806762 is a reply to message #806761 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 05:35

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Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 05:59

Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:52

If Markstrom plays like that we've got this series.

Only game 1.

Our goalies sucked for sure, but nobody else started on time either. I’d love to say it was all on them but nobody other than McDavid looked good really.

And yeah - our goalies definitely sucked, but crazy to think the team that let in 9 goals finished with the better save %.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806782 is a reply to message #806743 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 11:26

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Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:52

If Markstrom plays like that we've got this series.

Only game 1.

Yeah the Oilers were playing with house money to get this game back to even. If it weren't Kane getting muscled off that puck and a stop at that point or after, this might have been a miracle game 1 for the Oilers.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806745 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 22:56

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I'm worried that we got six goals past Markstrom and still couldn't win. I think we just wasted a putrid performance by a Vezina candidate.

Is he going to be that bad again?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806746 is a reply to message #806745 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:01

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benv wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 21:56

I'm worried that we got six goals past Markstrom and still couldn't win. I think we just wasted a putrid performance by a Vezina candidate.

Is he going to be that bad again?

Smith is either amazing or horrible, and he can pivot on a dime between the two. Which Smith shows up next game is anyone's guess.

We can totally win this series, but it's entirely a roll of the dice about what happens with the goaltender.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806747 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:06

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6 even strength goals… and you lose. Lol

Power play was trash. Give the flames Pk credit though, very aggressive.

Think that was JP’s best game of the playoffs so far. Archibald’s worst, though all his games have been worse than JPs.

Not only do you allow Tkachuk a hatty, but you let the Pretender score the GWG. Weak.

Played like crap and score 6 on Markstrom? Just imagine what happens when you actually play.

Only 1 game, and we were down 1-0 last series too. Move on to Friday and for the love of god, START ON TIME

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806748 is a reply to message #806747 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:17

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Not my best moment, but I found myself wishing we had Lucic and Tkachuk in our colours tonight.

Did they both play like this all year?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806749 is a reply to message #806748 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:21

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Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:17

Not my best moment, but I found myself wishing we had Lucic and Tkachuk in our colours tonight.

Did they both play like this all year?

Can confirm Tkachuk was literally on milk cartons in Calgary till game 7 last series.

He finished with 100 points though this season.

Barf.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806752 is a reply to message #806747 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:24

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:06

McDavid lead this team in hits. Shameful. Kassian and Archie just no-shows physically. Kane really struggled to keep up tonight too.

Worst thing by far was just the defensive zone play. Picked apart all night, guys standing straight up puck watching. Terrible plays off the boards constantly. Neither Keith or Nurse are stabilizing forces in our zone, both make terrible plays all the time. We need the opposite from both of them

2nd worst thing the PP. So many opportunities, can't make simple passes. No excuse for the skill players we have to not be able to make quick passes, but they just couldn't do it under any pressure.

Forget how little playoff experience this team has. They have never played a game in this kind of atmosphere. Kings, SJ and Ducks fans are mice compared to a riled up Canadian crowd. They really let the atmosphere get to them I think. Couldn't snap out of it until they were down 3-0 and the Lames started to back off a bit.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806753 is a reply to message #806752 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:32

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:24

McDavid lead this team in hits. Shameful. Kassian and Archie just no-shows physically. Kane really struggled to keep up tonight too.

It’s a good thing you posted this and not Adam bc you’d have RD jump down your throat telling you that Archibald threw *checks notes* 4 hits! Which then he’ll point out that is double the number of hits that Jesse Puljujarvi threw. Of course, you’d be able to throw back that Archibald finished -2 while Jesse finished -1! He’d be shaking in his boots and say something to the effect of “of course Archibald finished with a lower +/-, he gets dzone starts!” Aaaand then we get to the topic of how the dzone has been literal trash the majority of the playoffs and how Archibald is a big contributor to that… then there just won’t be a response.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806763 is a reply to message #806753 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 06:14

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:32

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:24

McDavid lead this team in hits. Shameful. Kassian and Archie just no-shows physically. Kane really struggled to keep up tonight too.

This would just be the shorter “Readers Digest” version you are showing us though of course.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806750 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:22

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We were lucky to score 6.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806751 is a reply to message #806750 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:24

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:22

We were lucky to score 6.

Absolutely

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806754 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:35

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Just gonna say it… Tkachuk asking Kane if he needs some money was pretty good.

*shudder* I need to shower

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806760 is a reply to message #806754 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 01:54

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:35

Just gonna say it… Tkachuk asking Kane if he needs some money was pretty good.

I'd ask Turtle what its like to be the son of Jabba the Hutt.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806769 is a reply to message #806760 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 08:32

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 01:54

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 22:35

Just gonna say it… Tkachuk asking Kane if he needs some money was pretty good.

I'd ask Turtle what its like to be the son of Jabba the Hutt.

And the brother of the android body that carries around Krang on Ninja Turtles.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806755 is a reply to message #806702 ]	Wed, 18 May 2022 23:35

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Different take. I’m going to fall asleep happy and wake up in a great mood. Bad start and we did not rollover against a vezina tender. Would the win have been better? Absolutely, but we move on to game 2.

How do you think the Flames, their coaches and Markstrom feel? A bit rattled to see the bottoms fall out in a sneeze?

Everyone in that rink thought it was lights out after they made it 6-2. You could hear a pin drop. We lost the battle, but made huge strides in the war.

Smith should’ve easily stopped goals 1 and 3. Embarrassingly bad goals and that’s okay. This is as bad as he will get.

Hopefully Tanev is done until game 7. It’s going to be a long series.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806770 is a reply to message #806755 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 23:35

I feel exactly the way you do.

I figured the Flames would come out hot. Home ice, rink would be pumped, BOA talk for days about how big it was. I thought the Oilers would need to weather a storm early then settle into their game.

First shift of the game, bad goal goes in and you are down 1-0 30 seconds in. Next shift, brutal. I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle. Then the 3rd goal was even worse than the first and you are down 3-0 6 mins in. Sure the Flames were coming at them big time but if you are down 1-0, not ideal but not the end of the world. Down 3-0 when 2 of your goalies were beer league goalie, tough to come back. But they came back and ties 6-6.

Oilers weren't good, their goalies were brutal. No one was engaged at all. Yet they scored 6. Now Markstrom wasn't very good but they scored 6 while being dog crap. So a small positive.

Coming in, they need a split. Go get your split game 2. This was a game where you just burn the tape and start over vs the Flames have to wonder. You came out and overwhelmed the Oilers from the start and the Oilers scored 4 straight to tie it.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806771 is a reply to message #806770 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

Totally agree. You can't have your 3C lay an egg in a game like this - for me, it was the giveaways that stood out with Nuge last night. He's never going to play especially heavy, but he needs to play smart every night.

Nurse was nowhere near physical enough. He'd be in the battle position in front of the net, but not leaning on guys at all.

The usual suspects showed up and played hard - I thought Kane played his worst game of the playoffs though.

The refs (or maybe the time keeper) screwing up on the coincidentals and letting Turtle out of the box first was a pretty egregious error.

If JW wants to stay 11/7, I'd consider putting in Nemo for Russell. Could use the aggression. If he goes back to 12/6, I think you need to put in Foegele for Archibald. 12th guy? I don't know - Brassard or Holloway.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806775 is a reply to message #806771 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 09:22

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Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

Nuge wasn't the only guy who had a bad game but you just can't do what he did on that goal. You are already down 1-0 seconds in, so you need to buckle down immediately. He did the opposite.

I am being hard on Nuge, I know, but my expectations of him are a hell of a lot higher than say Archibald. As a guy who's been in the league for 11 yrs, ALL of them with the Oilers and as a guy who after the Oilers fail another season, every media goes to talk to Nuge and ask him about the season. Every year Nuge sighs, says how it sucks, says how disappointed he is, says how he wants to win in Edmonton and how he can't take losing anymore. THAT IS WHY YOU LOSE!! Plays like that are why the Oilers have lost over the years. That can not happen ever. If he was a first year player, OK, learning experience. He's an 11 yr vet, he knows better and show be better. In the playoffs every battle matters so if you aren't willing to battle every shift, then stay off the ice.

Show you care NUGE!! If an 11 yr Oiler who's now signed maybe until he retires doesn't give a crap, why the hell should anyone else.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806778 is a reply to message #806771 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 10:42

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Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

It's time to get Nuge some real wingers. For some reason, Archibald has been stapled to his side since game 2 or 3 of the last series, and he's been noticeable for laying hits, but that's it. While the Edmonton media guys and the large less sophisticated segment of the fanbase just notice that, he contributes very little in the way of retrieving pucks, advancing pucks or creating scoring chances. We just get dominated when he's on the ice, with the only positives managed are the hits on the forecheck - a forecheck that's never sustained because it never results in turning over pucks.

With Draisaitl hurt, that's the de facto second line, and they're just getting destroyed. I think we need to see a lot less Archibald. Pair Nuge with Hyman or Yamamoto or Puljujarvi or even Holloway - someone who has some ability to take the game to the Flames so that the line isn't constantly playing defence.

I like Derek Ryan's game a little more but is he really someone we want playing that far up the lineup too? Nuge needs help - especially if he's going head to head with the 2nd line for Calgary.

We also need a save. Smith was horrible last night and Koskinen wasn't a lot better. I think they go back to Smith because Koskinen didn't exactly grab the job. I imagine it was nice for the Flames after seeing Oettinger's coming out party in Round 1 to find that shots somehow just slide right through our guys. Those first and third goals - yuck. Third one is a bad giveaway, but it's a fourth liner with a weak shot and it's just straight through.

I do feel like Jay Woodcroft seems to be falling back to more traditional thinking in the playoffs rather than using some of what made him successful in the regular season. I hope that we see that change here and he starts pushing the envelope a little more.

I will say, I am not overly concerned about the PP. The Flames clearly came in prepared to defend against that powerplay. They had a good strategy, but playoffs is about punch and counter-punch, so having seen what they are doing, we should be able to make adjustments to flip the script there again. I don't think we're going to see those guys held off the board much longer.

I still like our odds because we have Connor McDavid and they don't.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806780 is a reply to message #806778 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

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Adam wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 10:42

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

So it's Nuge's wingers fault on that second goal? Go watch the play. The wingers aren't involved nor should they be involved.

I am not saying Nuge was the only reason the Oilers lost but there is Exhibit A of a lack of engagement by the Oilers and an unwillingness to play the game hard that is 100% a requirement for the playoffs. When you default to the soft play, you lose every time. A guy who has been on the team for 11 yrs and supposedly is sick of losing as much as Nuge says he is, shouldn't be the one doing that crap. But it's golden boy Nuge who does no wrong so it's someone else's fault of course.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806781 is a reply to message #806780 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 11:23

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

I know you hate Nuge. It's okay.

I didn't mention the second goal at all. There were a lot of mistakes by a lot of players last night, and they pretty much all ended in the back of our net. I'm not Todd McLellan, so I'm not going to go through each one, break them down and assign blame.

Every player is going to have giveaways at some point, and some result in goals. We shouldn't be evaluating players based on single high profile plays. That's how mistakes are made.

Nugent-Hopkins is a big piece on this team, and he needs to be put in a position to be successful, especially if he is going to take relatively hard minutes - which is pretty much assured with Draisaitl injured and McLeod a rookie who hasn't yet shown he can do anything close to what Nuge can.

If you're playing with inadequate, out-matched wingers, it hampers what the line is capable of. Because Archibald sucks hard at puck retrieval, we get next to zero zone time with him. That means that we're always playing in our zone or the neutral zone, so any turnovers are going to be more glaring. It also tends to be more exhausting.

I think that the weaker wingers also necessitate more off-the-glass-and-out plays, which again, cede control to the opposition and result in more defending.

At no point have I said that Nugent-Hopkins is playing his best hockey, but I think he needs to be in a position to succeed and giving him Archibald and Ryan isn't the route.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806784 is a reply to message #806781 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 11:37

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Adam wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

I don't hate Nuge what so ever. That's a completely made up lie on your part. I just don't give the guy a free pass like many Oilers fans do.

He's an 11 yr Oiler, the longest serving Oiler, he is one of the main guys that set the standard as to how the team plays and what is acceptable. The play on that goal is not acceptable if you want to be a winning team. If this was his first year and first playoff game, then I could let it slip. It's not. He's been in the league for 11 yrs, he's supposed to know better. The Oilers have decided that he is one of the guys they want around showing the way for anyone who becomes an Oiler for the next 7 more years. That's not acceptable. If it was a bad read or you didn't see/expect a defender and you made a bad pass for a goal against, I can accept that. Mistakes happen.

He made a choice not to engage. He made a choice to try and make the easy way work when the harder way is the only way that works. That isn't me "hating" on poor untouchable Nuge, that's voicing frustration at a player who should know better and who is a guy that young players like a McLeod will look too for guidance. McLeod isn't blessed with McD abilities, a more realistic goal for McLeod is a Nuge type player who can be decent at both ends of the ice. I expect better from an 11 yr player.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806798 is a reply to message #806784 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 16:24

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:37

I just don't give the guy a free pass like many Oilers fans do.

Unless, of course, the players name is Josh Archibald. Or any other replacement level player whom Bob Stauffer tells you to hoot and holler for.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806808 is a reply to message #806784 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 17:49

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:37

Again, you're cherry picking a single bad play and using that to evaluate the player. I notice that you aren't in here talking about Kane making a really bad read and getting his pocket picked by a fourth liner for the third goal, or Draisaitl making a bad giveaway to spring loose Tkachuk for the 8-6 goal. We could do this on an awful lot of goals - look at the player who jumped early, who didn't see the danger, who got walked by a dangle...it is a single play in the game and if you're evaluating players based on a single play, you're going to be wrong a lot more than you're right.

It doesn't matter how long someone has been here. Kulak's been here a very short time, Holloway could make his Oilers debut this week. That doesn't actually impact any thing about what they are supposed to do or not.

I honestly hate analysis about "soft play" because more often than not it's people who think that a mistake was because of lack of effort and usually that's just not the case. I don't believe that anyone on the Oilers didn't care about the game last night and came to work thinking they should just mail it in. I don't think they were trying to cut corners. That's a lazy narrative, and it's again, usually wrong. Nuge made an error. That's it.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806783 is a reply to message #806780 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 11:27

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 10:42

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

Nuge will always need wingers or a C that can carry play for him if you want offense when he's out there. He's had some very good defensive moments in the playoffs, but he's still waiting for Archibald to make a Drai pass to look good offensively, which will happen once in 2 years. We already used that one up in one of the Kings blowout games :)

Maybe we should be trying Drai on Nuge's wing now and then. Sadly, this lineup becomes very difficult to get things from when Drai can't center his own line now that he can barely skate. DO agree with Adam that a Nuge line is pretty hopeless with Ryan/Archie on his wings. Nuge will never drive 5v5 play. So best case for that line is killing time on the boards in the offensive zone, some pocket picking turnovers that turn into a dump and chase, that kinda stuff. Nuge can be very good 5v5 though when he is getting opportunities to shoot and can get a pass when he's open in a good spot in the offensive zone. That's just never coming with these wingers. All 3 of the guys on his line dump and chase and play is usually dying on the boards in the offensive end.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806792 is a reply to message #806783 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 15:40

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 10:42

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

I am not debating his wingers are the greatest but his wingers do not excuse the horrible defensive play he was solely responsible. Nor does it excuse the complete lack of being engaged as a player. Like I keep saying, he's an 11 yr vet. The hockey in the playoffs is way more intense and way more physical. Guys have to ramp up their games. Guys who never hit, have to hit. You don't have to crush guys all the time but you have to finish your checks. This isn't new this season, this is how it's been for... maybe since hockey was invented. I have no idea but way before I was born and I am 44. Stick checking guys and turning away from your opponent does not work in the playoffs EVER.

This isn't an Oilers things, every single team year after year have to do this. Having Archibald and Ryan on your wings shouldn't stop Nuge from doing that. He's supposedly one of the leaders of the team, one of the guys that sets the standard. That is what I am annoyed about. If a guy who's been in the league as long as Nuge and been an Oiler as long as he has, if he's not willing to do that, why the hell should a guy like McLeod do it? If the best player in the entire world realizes he has to ramp up the intensity and play harder and finish his checks, what excuse does Nuge have?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806804 is a reply to message #806792 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 16:57

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 15:40

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 10:42

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:43

I thought the Nuge line was horrific. Awful turn over by Nuge, down 2-0 a min in. Nuge was SOFT as it gets and zero battle.

No player is perfect. Not gonna go too nuts over one Nuge play. 90% of the roster didn't show up in that game. I'm just generally commenting on the Nuge and the expectations we have to have for him now. He is about as vanilla as a skilled hockey player can be. Intensity runs between 4 and 5 out of 10 unless someone does something to make him really angry. He will never learn to win board battles and will be mediocre on faceoffs forever. We have learned how best asset is his shot but still keep hoping he can be a playmaker 5v5. He can be a hobo's Datsyuk defensively and make some nice stick lifts and steals. We all wish he could be half the player a guy like danault is in the playoffs but that will never happen.

We do need the Nuge now with Drai messed up so ideally he would play with a couple good playmakers and guys that can win board battles. Pulju and hyman maybe. Maybe drai and pulju and McDavid plays with Kane and hyman. Just is a must that nuge plays with guys that can drive play or it will just be a constant struggle for his line to produce anything.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806772 is a reply to message #806770 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 09:08

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Even when we tied it up - I fist pumped and all, but I really didn't feel like we were going to hang on or take the lead.

I didn't really feel like many of our goals were scored because we were pressing or "taking over". Honestly, other than McDavid's goal, peak Markstrom probably stops most of the others. The Hyman goals were pretty weak with Markstrom practically sitting inside his net. Draisaitl's was a decent shot, but Markstrom was pretty deep on that one too. I guess the Yamamoto one was good - great effort by McDavid and a tap in for Yamamoto.

I realize all goals count the same, but like I said, even having scoring that 6th one to erase a 4 goal deficit, I still never really felt like we were in it or a threat to win.

Draisaitl should maybe be given a day off.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806773 is a reply to message #806772 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 09:12

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Mike wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:08

It is sad how expected it was that we would just stop playing after tying. I didn't think we had much of a shot either. Team needs to look ready from the start of the game. Simple as that. Played like trash, tied the game and went back to trash and lost at least 3 times just in these playoffs alone. It is a classic Oilers routine.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #1) [message #806774 is a reply to message #806773 ]	Thu, 19 May 2022 09:22

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:12

Mike wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 09:08

I certainly expected it.

Markstrom looked half asleep last night. I wonder if he got bored when the game was 3-0 and simply threw the engine into neutral for a night. Until the Oilers can prove they're an equal to Calgary, I don't believe they are.

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