| Hyman to Oilers [message #790460] |
Wed, 28 July 2021 09:33  |
 |
 Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| Quote: |
PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
Zach Hyman signs 7 Yr $5.5M Cap Hit Deal #LetsGoOilers
Yr 1 1.55M Salary +1M Signing Bonus
Yr 2 5.1M
Yr 3 7.65M
Yr 4 7.7M
Yr 5 5.425M +1M SB
Yr 6 2.175M+3M SB
Yr 7 2.65M+1.25M SB
Yr 1-5 NMC
Yr 6-7 10 Team "Yes" trade list
|
Hilariously, They set up the poison pill against buyouts in the back half of the contract. So much for just run him out for 4-5 years and buy out the rest.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
 |
 Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
| Adam wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 09:33 |
| Quote: |
PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
Zach Hyman signs 7 Yr $5.5M Cap Hit Deal #LetsGoOilers
Yr 1 1.55M Salary +1M Signing Bonus
Yr 2 5.1M
Yr 3 7.65M
Yr 4 7.7M
Yr 5 5.425M +1M SB
Yr 6 2.175M+3M SB
Yr 7 2.65M+1.25M SB
Yr 1-5 NMC
Yr 6-7 10 Team "Yes" trade list
|
Hilariously, They set up the poison pill against buyouts in the back half of the contract. So much for just run him out for 4-5 years and buy out the rest.
|
Crap. This is why the NHL needs pre-planned buyout contracts :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
 |
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
| Adam wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 09:33 |
| Quote: |
PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
Zach Hyman signs 7 Yr $5.5M Cap Hit Deal #LetsGoOilers
Yr 1 1.55M Salary +1M Signing Bonus
Yr 2 5.1M
Yr 3 7.65M
Yr 4 7.7M
Yr 5 5.425M +1M SB
Yr 6 2.175M+3M SB
Yr 7 2.65M+1.25M SB
Yr 1-5 NMC
Yr 6-7 10 Team "Yes" trade list
|
Hilariously, They set up the poison pill against buyouts in the back half of the contract. So much for just run him out for 4-5 years and buy out the rest.
|
it's the price you have to pay for these top tier free agents. And honestly, can anyone name a single signing of a big, late 20's forward with middle-of-the-road offence, who benefitted from playing with elite linemates, that didn't work out great for the team signing him to a seven year deal?
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
|
ravb1981
Messages: 15
Registered: September 2006
No Cups
|
|
Just saw Coleman signed with Calgary for 6 years $29.4M average of $4.9M
Who would you rather have? Coleman for $4.9M or Hyman at $5.5M
|
|
|
|
|
|
Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| ravb1981 wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 10:17 |
Just saw Coleman signed with Calgary for 6 years $29.4M average of $4.9M
Who would you rather have? Coleman for $4.9M or Hyman at $5.5M
|
Both seem pretty crazy to me. Oilers will look at the couple inches of height that Hyman brings as valuable, although Coleman has the Cup rings they covet...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
 |
sinfulchimp306
Messages: 778
Registered: June 2008
Location: Wilkie saskatchewan
No Cups
|
|
I think I take hyman, hes the exact player mcdavid needs on his line. In 3 years i guarantee I have a different opinion
Formerly gagnerisgod.
PLAY LABAMBA BABY
|
|
|
|
|
mightyreasoner
Messages: 520
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
|
|
I mean, I think my opinion has been pretty clear on Hyman.
This is likely Milan Lucic, Part 2. Just this week we celebrated buying out James Neal, committing dead cap space for the next four years, which was the only way out of that one.
Maybe this helps them for 2-3 years, and maybe that's all we should care about given the McDavid / Draisaitl window of patience, but I'm always skeptical of the late-20s bump, particularly for those who are benefitting from where they are playing in the lineup, and this has all the red flags that make me take pause.
I think he'll contribute. I don't think he'll ever live up to this deal, on Day 1 or Day 2555. And that's a lot of money to tie up in someone not earning it.
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Skookum Jim
Messages: 4418
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
|
|
Well, on a relative basis.. I think I'd rather have Hyman for an extra $600K cap + 1 more year, than Coleman in Calgary.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
Great add to the Oilers top 6 and an incredible add to the community of Edmonton. This guy and his wife are going to do wonders here.
Don’t be surprised if the wheels don’t fall off as soon as most of you are thinking. Sure. Hes had a few instances of getting injured, but the kid (I can call him a kid, I am a few years older than him) hasn’t had much tread burned off his tires yet.
If fans from the centre of the universe love the guy and have been saying since new broke of him coming for a visit last week that we’re getting a great one.. I believe it.
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
|
 |
oilfan94
Messages: 408
Registered: June 2006
Location: USA
No Cups
|
|
Anyone on here bought his goods for your kids?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
| oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 21:32 |
Anyone on here bought his goods for your kids?
|
Not yet! But definitely will be
Add: I’ve scoped them out on Amazon, but I’d rather buy them from a brick and mortar. Im in bookstores 2-3 times a month so will have my eyes open next time.
[Updated on: Wed, 28 July 2021 21:46]
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 21:04 |
Great add to the Oilers top 6 and an incredible add to the community of Edmonton. This guy and his wife are going to do wonders here.
Don’t be surprised if the wheels don’t fall off as soon as most of you are thinking. Sure. Hes had a few instances of getting injured, but the kid (I can call him a kid, I am a few years older than him) hasn’t had much tread burned off his tires yet.
If fans from the centre of the universe love the guy and have been saying since new broke of him coming for a visit last week that we’re getting a great one.. I believe it.
|
Appreciate you trying to shoot from the hip and cover all these free agent day treads with happy Oscargasms (just plural for posts by Oscargasm).
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
The best part of getting Hyman may be that Tippett will actually stick with McDavid and Drai on different lines now.
Could have done that before of course, and we're a better team when he did, but now it should just be automatic. McDavid has a couple guys he might like to play with now with Hyman and Foegele. Hope it does end up with Pulju getting booted down a line or 2 though.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 17:56 |
The best part of getting Hyman may be that Tippett will actually stick with McDavid and Drai on different lines now.
Could have done that before of course, and we're a better team when he did, but now it should just be automatic. McDavid has a couple guys he might like to play with now with Hyman and Foegele. Hope it does end up with Pulju getting booted down a line or 2 though.
|
But the versatility Hyman provides allows for Leon-McD on one line while Hyman-Nuge are on another!!!
But yeah. Any other team and I would say Hyman is stapled to McDavid and Big Jess
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
|
|
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
Hyman's wearing 18. Obviously Neal had to be bought out then.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
|
 |
nullterm
Messages: 1033
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
1 Cup
|
|
| CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 30 July 2021 14:16 |
Hyman's wearing 18. Obviously Neal had to be bought out then.
|
He wore 11 with the Leafs, not gonna work here!
But man I wish the Oilers would stop recycling the same numbers every time we have a new player.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
|
|
|
|
|
NetBOG
Messages: 2948
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
2 Cups
|
|
| nullterm wrote on Fri, 30 July 2021 22:05 |
| CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 30 July 2021 14:16 |
Hyman's wearing 18. Obviously Neal had to be bought out then.
|
He wore 11 with the Leafs, not gonna work here!
But man I wish the Oilers would stop recycling the same numbers every time we have a new player.
|
Any established player is going to have his own choice. Team may only have a slight control over young role players (unless Lou or Burkie are running things).
It'll be interesting to see what new players choose for numbers now that they are all new millennials without a birth year to fall back on.
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
1 Cup
|
|
I had not commented on this thread, but just wanted to say that I am thrilled to have been completely wrong. Might be a tad premature as we're only 5 games in, but right now I wouldn't swap Hyman for Hall straight up, nvm the $500k cap savings.
Honestly, I thought the hype was more because he played in Toronto than anything. I never remembered him standing out much watching Leafs games, but he sure as hell stands out now. What a great addition. Perfect fit.
I hope this comment doesn't age like a lot of my other ones...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
This man has been a huge part of the run. Effort personified as Woodcroft put it. What a player. Playing some of the biggest minutes on the team in all situations along with Nuge.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
|
Skookum Jim
Messages: 4418
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
|
|
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 28 May 2022 12:41 |
This man has been a huge part of the run. Effort personified as Woodcroft put it. What a player. Playing some of the biggest minutes on the team in all situations along with Nuge.
|
Agree.. he's played well beyond my best expectations.. he's a horse.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
|
|
|
|
|
mightyreasoner
Messages: 520
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
|
|
I was worried Hyman was going to be a contract like Lucic. And maybe that back half will be a problem. But what a great addition, just tireless worker, positive disposition, and can produce some offensive support in the Top-6. I'm thrilled to have been wrong about him.
|
|
|
|
|
RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
3 Cups
|
|
The fact that Hyman skates really well, was always a good 5 on 5 player when he was a Leaf and plays both special teams I think will help him be valuable way easier than Lucic.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:17 |
I was worried Hyman was going to be a contract like Lucic. And maybe that back half will be a problem. But what a great addition, just tireless worker, positive disposition, and can produce some offensive support in the Top-6. I'm thrilled to have been wrong about him.
|
I still don't like the second half poison pill, but I do like the player. Seems like a great person too which seems even more important on an Oilers team with a handful of less savoury characters.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
 |
inverno76
Messages: 2342
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
|
|
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
Even if he does decline on the back end, you’re supposed to sell some of the future during your championship window. A Cup win still seems like a long shot to me (underdog against virtually all the remaining teams). Imagine if we’d added goaltending or another top 4 dman.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
You say that, but have you considered how dry Edmonton is? I've heard that can really take a lot out of a player, especially as he gets older.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
|
inverno76
Messages: 2342
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
|
|
| Adam wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:21 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
You say that, but have you considered how dry Edmonton is? I've heard that can really take a lot out of a player, especially as he gets older.
|
Guess we need a dermatologist on the payroll. Fire Bobby Nicks and use some of that left over cash. Make it so!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:24 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:21 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
You say that, but have you considered how dry Edmonton is? I've heard that can really take a lot out of a player, especially as he gets older.
|
Guess we need a dermatologist on the payroll. Fire Bobby Nicks and use some of that left over cash. Make it so!
|
Next bad season will have Bobby Burgers telling season ticket holders something like, "There's something about the water content in the air in Edmonton"
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:24 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:21 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
You say that, but have you considered how dry Edmonton is? I've heard that can really take a lot out of a player, especially as he gets older.
|
Guess we need a dermatologist on the payroll. Fire Bobby Nicks and use some of that left over cash. Make it so!
|
Rumour has it Bobby Burgers is retiring after this season. FWIW
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
|
|
Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 17:03 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:24 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 15:21 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 30 May 2022 14:33 |
I do not think Hyman's drop off will be nearly as significant as the Neanderthal Lucic. He should be able to contribute in a lesser role, while still being a leader in the locker room and in the community. As long as the cap starts taking off, the cap burden associated with Hyman is far better than any buy-out or dead money.
Love the player, love the human.
|
You say that, but have you considered how dry Edmonton is? I've heard that can really take a lot out of a player, especially as he gets older.
|
Guess we need a dermatologist on the payroll. Fire Bobby Nicks and use some of that left over cash. Make it so!
|
Rumour has it Bobby Burgers is retiring after this season. FWIW
|
Here's hoping! And that he takes Old Dutch and Kevin Lowe with him!
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Dragon_Matt
Messages: 766
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
No Cups
|
|
correction, KLowe won't retire. Bobby Nick's chair will be vacant...
|
|
|
|
|
|
oilfan94
Messages: 408
Registered: June 2006
Location: USA
No Cups
|
|
With Zach Hyman reaching 50 goals I took a look at all 50 goal seasons in NHL history. There have been 208 50 goal seasons now from (I think) 98 different players. of those 208 seasons, here is the breakdown of how those players were acquired.
Draft - 119
Trade - 66 (includes players traded before they played for the team that drafted them, also includes all Gretzky seasons, also only 30 players make up these 66 seasons)
Pre Draft Signings - 8 (from before there was a draft)
UFA Signing - 5
Undrafted FA - 4 (Tim Kerr 4 times)
RFA Signing - 3 (Brendan Shanahan twice with the Blues, and Adam Graves)
Expansion Draft - 2 (Blaine Stoughton twice with the Whalers)
Draft/Trade - 1 (Craig Simpson when he was traded to the Oilers)
Here is the list of UFA signed players with 50 goal seasons
1980 - Charlie Simmer (Kings)
1981 - Charlie Simmer (Kings)
1981 - Jacques Richard (Nordiques)
1994 - Ray Sheppard (Red Wings)
2024 - Zach Hyman (Oilers)
Having a UFA signing score 50 is almost unprecedented, and hasn't happened in 30 years. Just another angle to see how unlikely it was that this would happen, and awesome to see Zach Hyman have a great season like this.
[Updated on: Fri, 29 March 2024 09:39]
|
|
|
|
