[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2020 18:50]

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"

- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win

[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2020 20:07]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2020 23:52]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2020 21:24]

[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2020 22:54]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

[Updated on: Wed, 07 October 2020 00:57]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 23:40

No offense taken. The comparison is Bob Stauffer's not my own. One thing to remember though - Reasoner was selected with the expectation of being a Top-6 center. And the more you compare them, there is a case to make: - Reasoner was playing in the U-20 World Juniors in his draft eligible year, Holloway was not. - Reasoner put up better PPG in the NCAA in his draft eligible year than Holloway. - Both Reasoner and Holloway were the #14 picks. - Scouting report on Reasoner: "“He is a very good player. His talent is undisputable.” - Both Reasoner and Holloway are listed at 6'1" - Reasoner was listed as 205 lbs vs. 203 for Holloway. - Reasoner had fewer PIMS (31) than Holloway (49) in his draft eligible year, but had 56 PIMS the following year. All this to say, Reasoner was drafted with the intention of being a Top-6 forward; it didn't work out that way, but he had a very solid career of 798 games, and was an effective bottom-six forward who could win face-offs and kill penalties. Holloway was drafted with the expectation of being a middle-six forward. The comparison may not be as inaccurate as we wish. But you never know how things will play out fully until they actually do. If Holloway has the career of Reasoner, that's a good career. It's just less than you hope for at the #14 spot. I wish the Oilers aimed higher because that player isn't necessarily an uncommon player. With all that said, I'm not sure who would be the alternative. Guhle? Zary? Other comparables I've seen: Riley Nash (another Bob Stauffer comparison) and Dylan Larkin (Sportsnet).

I meant no offense to your handle.

You're right, better alternatives to Holloway at #14 don't exactly jump out

Guhle would have been another D (left at that), and I'd rank Holloway higher than Zary.. based on skating alone.

[Updated on: Wed, 07 October 2020 18:34]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Some analysis prior to the draft.. hey man don't worry .. be happy!
You're drafting for what he'll be in 2+ years, not what he was yesterday!

EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide:

“Holloway consistently applies pressure on the backcheck, pickpockets puck-carriers, makes timely hits, wields a disruptive stick — you name it. He never flees the zone early and is a capable east-west attacker who shields the puck from opposing defenders really well.”

Scott Wheeler, The Athletic:

“After winning the AJHL’s most valuable player award a full year before his NHL draft year, Holloway was allowed to play college hockey as an 18-year-old. In fact, he was one of just two first-year draft eligibles to play Division I NCAA hockey in 2019-20.

Holloway said the decision to leave junior a year earlier was made on the basis of his physical maturity.

‘Playing at a higher level gets you better as a player. I was ready to make the jump and I’m happy that I did because this year has taught me a lot and I feel like I’m better off for it,’ Holloway said. ‘Coming from the AJHL to here, making decisions at a quicker pace is a lot different. I like to think of myself as a fast player but there’s a lot of them in this league.’”

Dobber Prospects:

“The top NCAA draft-eligible is a complete forward with excellent hands, vision, and effective skating abilities. From his powerful stride and edgework and agility, once he has the puck on his stick, he has the ability to make flashy plays offensively.”

Mike G. Morreale, NHL.com:

“The left-shot forward has good hands, high compete and a drive to create offence. He should be the first college player selected after he had 17 points (eight goals, nine assists) in 35 games as a college freshman.”

WHERE HE WAS RANKED
Ranked #18 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #15 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #20 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #14 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #26 by MCKEEN’S HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #17 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #16 by TSN/McKenzie

HOLLOWAY’S COLLEGE CAREER SO FAR
SEASON TEAM LEAGUE GP G A PTS PIM +/- PGP G A PTS PIM
2016-17 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 2 — — — — —
2017-18 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 28 11 16 27 16 6 4 4 4
2018-19 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 53 40 48 88 56 7 8 3 11 24
2019-20 U. OF WISCONSIN BIG-10 35 8 9 17 49 -3

[Updated on: Wed, 07 October 2020 00:10]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Clean house or bust

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 10:25

And the other one too.

haha, 2 threads where the main theme is "hope this player is better than he seems to be, and what every scout says they are".

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 10:28

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2024 10:25 And the other one too. haha, 2 threads where the main theme is "hope this player is better than he seems to be, and what every scout says they are".

The Marty Reasoner comparisons just seem so apt now.

Also the good third liner, but struggles to produce...

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks