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 Burgeoboy
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Another deal I don’t mind , nothing Holland as done so far is going to fix everything that is wrong with the oilers, but so far I am ok with what he’s done.
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inverno76
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Decent value and term. Known quantity, plays up and down the lineup. Low risk. No stupid money spent as of yet.
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Pseudoreality
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It's funny how Chiasson's 22G/38P gets him $2.15MM for two years and Skinners 40G/63P gets him $9MM for eight years plus a full NMC.
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Kr55
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2.15M AAV. I can live with that.
The doors must have been closing around Chaisson if he expected a big payday off his 22 goals.
[Updated on: Mon, 01 July 2019 11:29]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
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So, assuming Manning is demoted day 1, after signing Chaisson and Smith, we have 8M of space. 6M if you set aside Smith's potential bonus.
Need a couple more forwards. Wonder if we try tossing some good money at Nyquist. Or we can just go heavy with a Kyle Connor offersheet :)
edit: Capfriendly must have not updated something. Now it's 5.883M without Manning being demoted. So, around 6.8M of space, not accounting for Smith's bonuses. Few more spots to fill with that.
[Updated on: Mon, 01 July 2019 11:56]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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smyth260
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Not sure I like this. It would be silly to expect a repeat performance from Chiasson. I think this is going to look like a pretty expensive 4th liner fairly soon.
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inverno76
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| smyth260 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:10 |
Not sure I like this. It would be silly to expect a repeat performance from Chiasson. I think this is going to look like a pretty expensive 4th liner fairly soon.
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What would of been the reaction if he walked and the Avs signed him to the same deal? I think Holland had to sign him. 2 years is manageable.
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CrudeRemarks
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| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:12 |
| smyth260 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:10 |
Not sure I like this. It would be silly to expect a repeat performance from Chiasson. I think this is going to look like a pretty expensive 4th liner fairly soon.
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What would of been the reaction if he walked and the Avs signed him to the same deal? I think Holland had to sign him. 2 years is manageable.
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Chiasson staying/going ultimately doesn’t matter. He had a career year. I expect 12-14 goals from him this time around. Hopefully Granlund realizes the big shoes he is filling with Tobias leaving town.
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inverno76
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:45 |
| inverno76 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:12 |
| smyth260 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 13:10 |
Not sure I like this. It would be silly to expect a repeat performance from Chiasson. I think this is going to look like a pretty expensive 4th liner fairly soon.
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What would of been the reaction if he walked and the Avs signed him to the same deal? I think Holland had to sign him. 2 years is manageable.
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Chiasson staying/going ultimately doesn’t matter. He had a career year. I expect 12-14 goals from him this time around. Hopefully Granlund realizes the big shoes he is filling with Tobias leaving town.
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I’d argue otherwise. It does matter. 10-12 goals and likely mostly at ES is a big number. That’d put him 6th in scoring on our club last year. He definitely benefited from PP time, but this team needs quality NHL forwards and he fits the bill at a reasonable price.
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RDOilerfan
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Considering the insanity that was with some of the signings like Tanev, this is not bad at all.
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Magnum
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Confused as to why the Oilers couldn’t give $4M to Connelly.
Seems like he was the winger that would have made the team at least one notch better.
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Burgeoboy
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| Magnum wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 23:29 |
Confused as to why the Oilers couldn’t give $4M to Connelly.
Seems like he was the winger that would have made the team at least one notch better.
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Could have something to do with him only ever scoring 20 goals or braking 40 points once in is career. The fact we never over paid him is what gives me a glimmer of hope for Holland and the oilers going fwd.
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PoolParty
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| Burgeoboy wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 20:19 |
| Magnum wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 23:29 |
Confused as to why the Oilers couldn’t give $4M to Connelly.
Seems like he was the winger that would have made the team at least one notch better.
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Could have something to do with him only ever scoring 20 goals or braking 40 points once in is career. The fact we never over paid him is what gives me a glimmer of hope for Holland and the oilers going fwd.
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Or maybe it's the fact that they would rather play on a different team for what ever reason they see fit.
This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.
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Ragnarok73
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| PoolParty wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 20:24 |
Or maybe it's the fact that they would rather play on a different team for what ever reason they see fit.
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Yep, and I'll give a hint as to the reason....
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CrusaderPi
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 21:03 |
| PoolParty wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 20:24 |
Or maybe it's the fact that they would rather play on a different team for what ever reason they see fit.
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Yep, and I'll give a hint as to the reason....
<*whisper*> The Oilers are a pack of losers...
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Yeah but there’s a new(ish) building, Connor McDavid, and a new plan!
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RDOilerfan
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| Magnum wrote on Mon, 01 July 2019 19:59 |
Confused as to why the Oilers couldn’t give $4M to Connelly.
Seems like he was the winger that would have made the team at least one notch better.
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You seriously would have been OK giving Connelly 4 x 4? Florida gave him 3.2x4 but you have to factor in the tax so Florida teams can give a little less because the take home would be similar to 4 mill.
I liked Connelly and thought he'd be a nice fit but not at 4 yrs and not at 4 mill. He's been a 3rd liner for his career. His contract screamed Pouliot. Then I look at Chiasson who's very much the same player, a bottom 6 guy who had a hell of a year. He might continue scoring like he did but chances are he takes a step back. Then you factor in apparently he's extremely well liked by the team and took on a leadership role. So the Oilers got him for half the term and just over 2 mill. So if he ends up only being a 3rd line, at just over 2 mill, that's no problem.
On the topic of bottom 6 guys. I really liked Tanev but 3.5m for 6 years!!! What the hell is Rutherford doing. He's going to be 28 in Dec and has a career high 14 goals and you give him 6 years!! Thank god Chia isn't here because that is the exact type of contract he would give out.
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Rocksteady
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I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
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Ragnarok73
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| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
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Quid is a slang term for the British Pound Sterling, so it's not quite appropriate in the context you're using it, since BPS are worth more than Canadian dollars (as of now, 1 BPS = 1.65 CND).
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RDOilerfan
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| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
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If you look at the market and how much money and term bottom 6 guys were getting, I thought the Chiasson contract was pretty decent.
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Rocksteady
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:25 |
| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
✔ Word of the day.
✔ Used a word not used used very much in North America.
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If you look at the market and how much money and term bottom 6 guys were getting, I thought the Chiasson contract was pretty decent.
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A lot of people have said this to me. I'm probably in the minority but I remain steadfast saying he is paid too much. It's all just an opinion really, right or wrong. I hope Chiasson proves me wrong.
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RDOilerfan
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| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:25 |
| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
✔ Word of the day.
✔ Used a word not used used very much in North America.
✔ Everyone should be proud of me.
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If you look at the market and how much money and term bottom 6 guys were getting, I thought the Chiasson contract was pretty decent.
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A lot of people have said this to me. I'm probably in the minority but I remain steadfast saying he is paid too much. It's all just an opinion really, right or wrong. I hope Chiasson proves me wrong.
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I would have like Chiasson to get 1.5 mill, I just don't know how. Tanev got 3.5 mill on a 6 yr deal. What's the difference between the 2? I think Tanev is a bit faster. Even Hathaway got 4 years at 1.5 mill. I was shocked at what 3rd and 4th liners were getting. I thought those days were over.
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Kr55
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| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:25 |
| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
✔ Word of the day.
✔ Used a word not used used very much in North America.
✔ Everyone should be proud of me.
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If you look at the market and how much money and term bottom 6 guys were getting, I thought the Chiasson contract was pretty decent.
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A lot of people have said this to me. I'm probably in the minority but I remain steadfast saying he is paid too much. It's all just an opinion really, right or wrong. I hope Chiasson proves me wrong.
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I think 2M is probably the bare minimum for anyone that scores 20 goals. The responsible thing for a team to do when it's a career high though is to try to get the term down as much as possible. I think we at least managed that. Connolly is very similar to Chaisson in how their careers have gone, and look at the deal he got.
That's one good thing about this summer at least. We were not tossing around term like idiots. The plan has to be to try to have some wide open cap space in 1-2 years to try to make big improvements. Gotta at least do something to try to make playoffs now, but there has to be some huge improvements in the last halves of McDavid and Drai's contracts if you want those guys to stick around. There is next to nothing that can be done this summer to change this team into a sure contender without selling off some good prospects and 1st round picks. it's just too early with the mess Chia left.
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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Goose
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 09:40 |
The plan has to be to try to have some wide open cap space in 1-2 years to try to make big improvements.
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The thing I can't then square with this idea is the Sekera buyout.
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Kr55
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| Goose wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 12:37 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 09:40 |
The plan has to be to try to have some wide open cap space in 1-2 years to try to make big improvements.
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The thing I can't then square with this idea is the Sekera buyout.
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It's definitely careless to think that 1.5M in years 3 and 4 won't matter much. I think that's the narrative Stauffer was pushing about a potential sek buyout. Expecting nice cap increases a couple years down the road after the US TV deal.
I think he really did strike out on Nyquist, and that's where that money was supposed to go. Looks dumb now, and we very well could go into this season with 4M of space.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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CrusaderPi
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 12:48 |
| Goose wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 12:37 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 09:40 |
The plan has to be to try to have some wide open cap space in 1-2 years to try to make big improvements.
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The thing I can't then square with this idea is the Sekera buyout.
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It's definitely careless to think that 1.5M in years 3 and 4 won't matter much. I think that's the narrative Stauffer was pushing about a potential sek buyout. Expecting nice cap increases a couple years down the road after the US TV deal.
I think he really did strike out on Nyquist, and that's where that money was supposed to go. Looks dumb now, and we very well could go into this season with 4M of space.
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There's nothing wrong with not being a capped out team, especially when you already know the team isn't going to be competitive. However, I agree that the '1.5M million won't matter as much in 5 years' theory is stupid. The Oilers have tried that before and been handcuffed by it.
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RDOilerfan
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It's July 2nd, people are acting like the season starts tomorrow and the roster is set. We are 3 months away.
So what happens to the team who were in on Myers or another dman and struck out but they still need a dman? Could a Russell be attractive? Maybe. If you are a team that needs a dman and you have a few wingers to spare and the Oilers have some cap space now.
Marner, Connor, Laine, Pointe, Tkachuk, all haven't signed. What happens to all those teams who are all tight to the cap when those guys sign? Let's say the Jets. They lost Trouba and Myers so their once really good defense doesn't look so great now. They have just over 22 mill in cap space and Connor and Laine probably take up the bulk of that and they need more defense. So what if say they traded Ehlers and his 6 mill for Russell and JP? Russell is a 4-5 dman who can play both sides and given the cost of Dmen these days, isn't that expensive at 4 mill. You get a winger to replace Ehlers in JP who I know doesn't want to play in Canada but he's in no position to dictate where he goes, nor does he have the power and maybe playing with his good buddy Laine will perk him up. Cap wise, by the time you resign JP even to a 1 yr deal, it will be close to 6 mill but the Jets are getting 2 players for the price of 1.
What happens in Minne who tried to trade Zucker twice? He can't stay there I assume.
So moving forward, the Oilers have a little room to potentially make a trade with a team once all the dust settles.
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 13:06 |
It's July 2nd, people are acting like the season starts tomorrow and the roster is set. We are 3 months away.
So what happens to the team who were in on Myers or another dman and struck out but they still need a dman? Could a Russell be attractive? Maybe. If you are a team that needs a dman and you have a few wingers to spare and the Oilers have some cap space now.
Marner, Connor, Laine, Pointe, Tkachuk, all haven't signed. What happens to all those teams who are all tight to the cap when those guys sign? Let's say the Jets. They lost Trouba and Myers so their once really good defense doesn't look so great now. They have just over 22 mill in cap space and Connor and Laine probably take up the bulk of that and they need more defense. So what if say they traded Ehlers and his 6 mill for Russell and JP? Russell is a 4-5 dman who can play both sides and given the cost of Dmen these days, isn't that expensive at 4 mill. You get a winger to replace Ehlers in JP who I know doesn't want to play in Canada but he's in no position to dictate where he goes, nor does he have the power and maybe playing with his good buddy Laine will perk him up. Cap wise, by the time you resign JP even to a 1 yr deal, it will be close to 6 mill but the Jets are getting 2 players for the price of 1.
What happens in Minne who tried to trade Zucker twice? He can't stay there I assume.
So moving forward, the Oilers have a little room to potentially make a trade with a team once all the dust settles.
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There will be some movement over the summer. Most of it happens between the week of the draft and July 1st. After that, a lot of GMs shut it down and pick it back up before training camp.
We will see, and there are exceptions, perhaps especially this year with the cap issues teams are facing. But it isn't unfounded to look at this team with concern. Very likely the bulk of NHL activity will have already happened.
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| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 09:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:25 |
| Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 02 July 2019 10:19 |
I still thought it was too much money for Chiasson. For a guy that had a career year and a track history of less than 20 goals per season you could of had him 1.5AAV for 2 instead of 2.15. However in the end it's fine when you're talking about a few hundred thousand quid.
*for the record I have no idea what a quid is, except that it's used in saying in the same vein as dollars. Not sure the denomination of quid either.. but I juxtaposed the relationship.
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If you look at the market and how much money and term bottom 6 guys were getting, I thought the Chiasson contract was pretty decent.
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A lot of people have said this to me. I'm probably in the minority but I remain steadfast saying he is paid too much. It's all just an opinion really, right or wrong. I hope Chiasson proves me wrong.
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My biggest problem with Chiasson is his speed. Boots. Slow. He had a career year, expect 2nd year on the 2M x 2 will interfere with future moves/signings that we'll regret due to drop off in Chiasson's contributions... but.. cards still in play... we'll see whats what by training camp.
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