| Oilers select 1st rd (#8) - Philip Broberg [message #739192] |
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 NetBOG
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Date of Birth Jun 25, 2001
Age 17
Place of Birth Örebro, SWE
Nation Sweden
Youth Team Örebro HUF
Position D
Height 6'3" / 191 cm
Weight 203 lbs / 92 kg
Shoots L
2014-15 Örebro HUF U16 2 U16 Div.1 3 0 0 0 2 |
Örebro HUF U16 U16 Div.1 20 0 2 2 10 |
2015-16 Örebro HK U16 U16 Elit 28 2 18 20 14 |
Örebro HK U16 U16 SM 3 0 0 0 0 |
2016-17 Örebro HK U16 U16 Elit 2 1 1 2 0 |
Örebro HK U16 U16 SM 5 1 2 3 0 |
Örebro HK J18 J18 Elit 14 2 1 3 4 |
Örebro HK J18 J18 Allsvenskan 18 2 5 7 6 0 | Playoffs 3 0 1 1 2 2
Sweden U16 (all) International-Jr 6 0 0 0 4 -1 |
2017-18 Örebro HK J18 J18 Elit 7 1 2 3 2 |
Örebro HK J20 “A” SuperElit 15 0 2 2 0 -1 |
AIK J18 J18 Elit 3 0 2 2 2 4 |
AIK J20 SuperElit 23 6 7 13 6 5 | Relegation 2 1 2 3 0 6
Sweden U17 WHC-17 5 0 0 0 4 |
Sweden U17 (all) International-Jr 17 0 3 3 8 -4 |
2018-19 AIK J18 J18 Allsvenskan 0 0 0 0 0 0 | Playoffs 1 0 0 0 0 -1
AIK J20 SuperElit 8 2 6 8 8 3 | Playoffs 3 0 1 1 0 3
AIK Allsvenskan 41 2 7 9 14 -1 | Qualification 3 0 0 0 0 -1
Sweden U18 WJC-18 7 2 4 6 6 2 |
Sweden U18 (all) International-Jr 17 6 8 14 16 4 |
Sweden U20 WJC-20 4 0 1 1 0 2 |
Sweden U20 (all) International-Jr 6 0 2 2 0 2 |
2019-20 Skellefteå AIK SHL - - - - - |
Sweden U20 (all) International-Jr - - - - - |
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Skookum Jim
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Boo..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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NetBOG
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Oilers had a chance at a few guys they weren't expected to be available, but appeared to be completely locked into Broberg.
Oilers now have a Swedish mafia on the blue line.
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 Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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My first "you better be right!" for Holland. Chia got his first with the Reinhart trade.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
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Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:02 |
My first "you better be right!" for Holland. Chia got his first with the Reinhart trade.
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Lidstrom 2.0 his lad is not.
Lived up to his draft analysis. Wonderful skating, but doesn't process the game very well.
Holland and Chia both started their Oilers GM careers with a big D prospect blunder in the draft. Chia's was much worse if we're keeping score.
[Updated on: Tue, 05 December 2023 16:09]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Flashback of Kenny being asked about Broberg's scout reputation of not processing the game well
https://twitter.com/tjsoups/status/1728553878860530091
Just to note, Holland got to have the same people in Edmonton that he was working up to the draft with in Detroit. So not really any excuse at all for him to not be fully aware of top round picks that year.
[Updated on: Tue, 05 December 2023 18:42]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrudeRemarks
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Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
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He needs to overripen. See you in 4 years PhilBro
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
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Location: Edmonton
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If he doesn't end up better than that off the board Detroit pick, I'm gonna be pissed!
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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WhoreableGuy
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Registered: August 2006
Location: Calgary
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I’m out of patience so I want to see some sick super snipers picked. I don’t want a 4 year project D.
"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"
- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win
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Kr55
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Location: Edmonton
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| WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:07 |
I’m out of patience so I want to see some sick super snipers picked. I don’t want a 4 year project D.
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A wise man once said, wingers are easy to get.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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mightyreasoner
Messages: 520
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:08 |
| WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:07 |
I’m out of patience so I want to see some sick super snipers picked. I don’t want a 4 year project D.
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A wise man once said, wingers are easy to get.
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I look forward to seeing how Holland accomplishes that this summer. By my count, we have zero Top-6 wingers and one converted centre playing there who doesn't look out of place.
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NetBOG
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They avoided 2 or 3 US Development Team guys that were ranked higher. I wonder if teams are a little scared of those guys.
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Adam
Messages: 7175
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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Bob: well Ken, if we hire you, how will you build a championship team in Edmonton?
Ken: Same way I did in Detroit - pick a Swedish defence man in the draft and hope he turns in to one of the best of all-time!
Bob: you're hired!!!
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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I wonder if Jones isn't in play as a trading chip? There's too many LD in the system now and he could have a little value.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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mightyreasoner
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Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:26 |
I wonder if Jones isn't in play as a trading chip? There's too many LD in the system now and he could have a little value.
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Kind of seems like Jones and Bear went from the best defensive prospects to the best trading chips the Oilers have.
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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People loving these swedish D. Arizona gives up their 2nd to move up 3 spots to get Soderstrom who was ranked around where their pick already was.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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PO'd Buffalo got Cozens.. that's the result one draft position can make.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4418
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 18:25 |
PO'd Buffalo got Cozens.. that's the result one draft position can make.
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Now we have 6 Swede D, .. Klefbom, Larsson, Lageson, , Persson, Berglund, and Broberg
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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mightyreasoner
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Location: Edmonton
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:25 |
PO'd Buffalo got Cozens.. that's the result one draft position can make.
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It's fine because Oilers probably would have passed on him anyway. They were locked into this a month ago.
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NetBOG
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For the record, I don't mind this pick. I think you should only draft defence and big centres. If he turns out to be Klefbom, it's a win.
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Suomalainen
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Yeah, and the fact is, that beyond the first two players, the rest of the forwards are a few years away. This team can't keep drafting today's needs today. Picking a high-end D-man isn't a bad choice.
Can't be mad at this pick - right now at least
97.
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mightyreasoner
Messages: 520
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Location: Edmonton
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Oilers going to Oiler.
Make a pick higher than they should, and leave talent on the board. Zegras was a gift that fell.
They should deal some LHD prospect for some NHL forwards because they har a surplus of one and are scary thin with the other.
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Adam
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Well, the way it's going, we might still get Caufield with our 2nd round pick!
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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NetBOG
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:38 |
Well, the way it's going, we might still get Caufield with our 2nd round pick!
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Another midget?
Ya, that worked real well last time.
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Adam
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| NetBOG wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:40 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:38 |
Well, the way it's going, we might still get Caufield with our 2nd round pick!
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Another midget?
Ya, that worked real well last time.
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I dunno, I think we could've used a kid with a release like that.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Kr55
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Location: Edmonton
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He did have better draft year mens league stats than Karlsson I guess :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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mightyreasoner
Messages: 520
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 20:22 |
He did have better draft year mens league stats than Karlsson I guess :)
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Honestly, this might work our fine. But usually when the Oilers try to outsmart everyone else, it doesn't.
I'd this was indeed their guy, I feel like they maybe could have traded down to pick him.
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
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Location: Edmonton
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 20:40 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 20:22 |
He did have better draft year mens league stats than Karlsson I guess :)
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Honestly, this might work our fine. But usually when the Oilers try to outsmart everyone else, it doesn't.
I'd this was indeed their guy, I feel like they maybe could have traded down to pick him.
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Ended up being an odd draft. Was supposed to be kinda weak on D, but so many teams were chasing them. Arizona trades up for a guy ranked under where they were picking. Yzerman takes a 15 ranked guy at 6. Wonder if that Yzerman off the board pick actually worked against us, thinking that the D were gonna start getting snapped up. Arizona was sniffing around to make sure they got a D they wanted.
I'm sure all the insiders announcing the Oilers love Broberg also would have worked against them moving down. The guys below them happy to take a forward, likely weren't willing to give much for that swap.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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mightyreasoner
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Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 20:46 |
I'm sure all the insiders announcing the Oilers love Broberg also would have worked against them moving down. The guys below them happy to take a forward, likely weren't willing to give much for that swap.
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I'll never understand why they don't keep their cards closer to their chest. Of all my criticisms of Chiarelli, the media's disdain for him not being open with them was not something I minded.
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Goose
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:22 |
He did have better draft year mens league stats than Karlsson I guess :)
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Ooooh, now do Larsson 
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
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Location: Edmonton
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| Goose wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 22:12 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:22 |
He did have better draft year mens league stats than Karlsson I guess :)
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Ooooh, now do Larsson
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This keep getting better. Obviously he gets the edge with the 2 goals instead of Larsson's 1. Basically he's double the player :)
And Klefbom, sheesh.
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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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nullterm
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Location: Port Moody, BC
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Random thoughts about picking a defencemen and our situation...
You don't get NHL ready players at 8th.
We need forwards for this season.
This pick wasn't going to help the short term.
Defence is the backbone to your team.
Good defence is hard to find.
Thus good defence is a valuable commodity.
Good deep defence is a recipe to win.
Teams are always looking for defence.
A surplus of defence can be flipped to get forwards.
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Illegitimi non carborundum.
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My exact thoughts sir! No matter who Edmonton took here this page was going to poo poo all over it!
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GabbyDugan
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I agree with Nullterm and Clutch like Eberle. This place sometimes seems like Oilerbashers.com, not oilfans.com.
Broberg hasn't even turned 18 yet. I don't know of too many 17 year olds that have proven they are destined to be NHL All Stars, and I'm not going to say Broberg will even become an NHL regular. Nevertheless, he is now a possible future Oiler, and I'm hoping he gets support from the team and fans through the process. Nicholson said the Oiler way now is to let the prospects overripen, and Broberg seems like an ideal candidate to over-ripen, be it in Sweden, the CHL or AHL; maybe combinations of all of them.
The kid seems to have some good intuitive skating speed, which I don't think can be developed very much -either a young player has great wheels or he doesn't. He has excellent raw tools in other areas of his game, which can be developed and improved greatly over time with proper coaching and development. I know countless players the Oilers have brought into the organization have not been developed properly up to and including recent seasons, but young defensemen like Broberg provide a great opportunity for the Oilers to show us they finally know what they are doing in this area.
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Kr55
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| GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 22 June 2019 09:20 |
I agree with Nullterm and Clutch like Eberle. This place sometimes seems like Oilerbashers.com, not oilfans.com.
Broberg hasn't even turned 18 yet. I don't know of too many 17 year olds that have proven they are destined to be NHL All Stars, and I'm not going to say Broberg will even become an NHL regular. Nevertheless, he is now a possible future Oiler, and I'm hoping he gets support from the team and fans through the process. Nicholson said the Oiler way now is to let the prospects overripen, and Broberg seems like an ideal candidate to over-ripen, be it in Sweden, the CHL or AHL; maybe combinations of all of them.
The kid seems to have some good intuitive skating speed, which I don't think can be developed very much -either a young player has great wheels or he doesn't. He has excellent raw tools in other areas of his game, which can be developed and improved greatly over time with proper coaching and development. I know countless players the Oilers have brought into the organization have not been developed properly up to and including recent seasons, but young defensemen like Broberg provide a great opportunity for the Oilers to show us they finally know what they are doing in this area.
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I don't think any of us are really in a position to judge kids that play in the mens leagues in europe. You have no idea what their usage and ice time is. You are completely dependent on the scouts doing a good job, and the end result can be all over the map with guys that all had similar mens league stats in their draft year.
Just wish the oilers org didn't have stauffer and jack micheals competing to give broberg the biggest compliments over a week ago, and every other insider seemed to know what our pick was already. Rishaug seemed to be asked to create some misdirection, but it didn't work at all with more guys after slotting Broberg as our pick on multiple networks.
Probably didn't make that much dif in the end, but still would have limited Holland's ability to move down and still get his guy.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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vagabond
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| clutchlikeeberle wrote on Sat, 22 June 2019 14:36 |
My exact thoughts sir! No matter who Edmonton took here this page was going to poo poo all over it!
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We took bouchard last year and he will be a top D man in a couple of year. We also have several D in our system already. While I would agree D in very important for winning. There were FWDS on the board who would be ready in two years and not the four that it will take this guy to develop. We need forwards in the worst way, we are against the cap and it looks like nero fiddles while Rome burns
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CrudeRemarks
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| nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 June 2019 02:16 |
Random thoughts about picking a defencemen and our situation...
You don't get NHL ready players at 8th.
We need forwards for this season.
This pick wasn't going to help the short term.
Defence is the backbone to your team.
Good defence is hard to find.
Thus good defence is a valuable commodity.
Good deep defence is a recipe to win.
Teams are always looking for defence.
A surplus of defence can be flipped to get forwards.
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Like most drafts we won’t know the truth for a few years. But there was arguably a top 5 player on the board which, as RDOF will tell you, should be a roster player. Historical averages tell us the odds are better if you pick according to the rankings of who is the next best available player.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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nullterm
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| nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 June 2019 01:16 |
Random thoughts about picking a defencemen and our situation...
You don't get NHL ready players at 8th.
We need forwards for this season.
This pick wasn't going to help the short term.
Defence is the backbone to your team.
Good defence is hard to find.
Thus good defence is a valuable commodity.
Good deep defence is a recipe to win.
Teams are always looking for defence.
A surplus of defence can be flipped to get forwards.
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Reaffirming my position. None of the picks we made this year we're going to help our short term, so maximize your long term.
Any immediate fixes Holland makes need to be trades or free agents. And it will probably take a while to recover from the mess Chiarelli left.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Ragnarok73
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| nullterm wrote on Sun, 23 June 2019 13:35 |
| nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 June 2019 01:16 |
Random thoughts about picking a defencemen and our situation...
You don't get NHL ready players at 8th.
We need forwards for this season.
This pick wasn't going to help the short term.
Defence is the backbone to your team.
Good defence is hard to find.
Thus good defence is a valuable commodity.
Good deep defence is a recipe to win.
Teams are always looking for defence.
A surplus of defence can be flipped to get forwards.
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Reaffirming my position. None of the picks we made this year we're going to help our short term, so maximize your long term.
Any immediate fixes Holland makes need to be trades or free agents. And it will probably take a while to recover from the mess Chiarelli left.
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So, we're projecting this upcoming season as another developmental year? If so, then we may as well skip watching and just fast-forward to the 2020 Draft.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
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"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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