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Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729168]	Tue, 29 January 2019 15:42

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https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-defencem an-joel-persson/c-304305558

They resigned Persson to another year. He's a 24 yr old, right shot, puck moving, offensive dman. He's got 22 pts in 35 games in the Swedish hockey league. I have to assume he will be coming over next season.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729169 is a reply to message #729168 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 17:01

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 16:42

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-defencem an-joel-persson/c-304305558

They resigned Persson to another year. He's a 24 yr old, right shot, puck moving, offensive dman. He's got 22 pts in 35 games in the Swedish hockey league. I have to assume he will be coming over next season.

Worth a shot, minimal cap space going forward and could provide what we’ve lacked on the back end. 1M for next season, is RFA at season’s end.

Led his team in D scoring in 2017-18, his rookie season, and is leading them again this season.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729170 is a reply to message #729169 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 17:18

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But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729171 is a reply to message #729170 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 17:21

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 18:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

Listening to Stauffer today, MacT is ‘in charge’ of European scouting... cue the MacT for GM push from Bobby Nicks

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729199 is a reply to message #729171 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 12:22

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 17:21

Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 18:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

Listening to Stauffer today, MacT is ‘in charge’ of European scouting... cue the MacT for GM push from Bobby Nicks

Why would MacT, living in Edmonton, be in charge of European scouting? Why not get a European in Europe to be that guy. We do know the team has Skype...

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729205 is a reply to message #729199 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 13:15

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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 12:22

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 17:21

Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 18:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

Listening to Stauffer today, MacT is ‘in charge’ of European scouting... cue the MacT for GM push from Bobby Nicks

Why would MacT, living in Edmonton, be in charge of European scouting? Why not get a European in Europe to be that guy. We do know the team has Skype...

Ha. Why can't he just watch games and talk to prospects over the internet? Think of all the money saved of air travel, hotels, meals, and french red wine!

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729213 is a reply to message #729205 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 16:54

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 13:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 12:22

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 17:21

Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 18:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

Listening to Stauffer today, MacT is ‘in charge’ of European scouting... cue the MacT for GM push from Bobby Nicks

Why would MacT, living in Edmonton, be in charge of European scouting? Why not get a European in Europe to be that guy. We do know the team has Skype...

Ha. Why can't he just watch games and talk to prospects over the internet? Think of all the money saved of air travel, hotels, meals, and french red wine!

Haha...maybe it's all completely analytic based! Could save him even watching the games!

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729172 is a reply to message #729170 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 18:24

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 17:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

If he lights up the AHL next year, it was Gretz and/or MacT. If he fails, it was Chia.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729173 is a reply to message #729172 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 20:11

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 19:24

Magnum wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 17:18

But who, signed him? Gretz?!

That’s a genius move. Cue building confidence music, so that fans are okay when he becomes FT GM.

If he lights up the AHL next year, it was Gretz and/or MacT. If he fails, it was Chia.

AHL? You know if he comes over he’s got that 3RD spot locked up, with only Lars and Bouch ahead of him icon_wink

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729176 is a reply to message #729173 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 08:23

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To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729177 is a reply to message #729176 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 08:33

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:23

To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

Oh for sure. He’s appatently received high praise in scouting reports of late and lots of chatter expecting him to come over to NA before the end of the season. His club team plays their final regular season game March 14, though his team is currently in 9th and looking at a play in for the final playoff spot.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729178 is a reply to message #729177 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 08:37

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:23

To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

Oh for sure. He’s appatently received high praise in scouting reports of late and lots of chatter expecting him to come over to NA before the end of the season. His club team plays their final regular season game March 14, though his team is currently in 9th and looking at a play in for the final playoff spot.

To me, it's no different than every year teams falling all over themselves to sign these college free agents. He's playing pro hockey in a good league against men and doing well vs playing against a bunch of kids. I don't know if he actually makes it but worth a shot.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729200 is a reply to message #729178 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 12:23

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:23

To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

Oh for sure. He’s appatently received high praise in scouting reports of late and lots of chatter expecting him to come over to NA before the end of the season. His club team plays their final regular season game March 14, though his team is currently in 9th and looking at a play in for the final playoff spot.

To me, it's no different than every year teams falling all over themselves to sign these college free agents. He's playing pro hockey in a good league against men and doing well vs playing against a bunch of kids. I don't know if he actually makes it but worth a shot.

This is the kind of signing that no one cares about in any but the hot bed markets like Edmonton. He's got a chance at being an NHLer...and it's a reasonable gamble with little risk. But it's not much of a story.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729204 is a reply to message #729200 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 13:15

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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 13:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:23

To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

Oh for sure. He’s appatently received high praise in scouting reports of late and lots of chatter expecting him to come over to NA before the end of the season. His club team plays their final regular season game March 14, though his team is currently in 9th and looking at a play in for the final playoff spot.

To me, it's no different than every year teams falling all over themselves to sign these college free agents. He's playing pro hockey in a good league against men and doing well vs playing against a bunch of kids. I don't know if he actually makes it but worth a shot.

This is the kind of signing that no one cares about in any but the hot bed markets like Edmonton. He's got a chance at being an NHLer...and it's a reasonable gamble with little risk. But it's not much of a story.

But. But. He’s playing on the same team that the Canucks ‘saviour’ Pettersson played on!

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729210 is a reply to message #729204 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 16:20

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Better start shining up the Norris!

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729212 is a reply to message #729204 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 16:53

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 13:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 13:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:23

To me it's a no brainer signing in that there is no risk. Lots of really good dmen come from the Swedish league. This guy is supposedly one of their better ones offensively. Why not?

Oh for sure. He’s appatently received high praise in scouting reports of late and lots of chatter expecting him to come over to NA before the end of the season. His club team plays their final regular season game March 14, though his team is currently in 9th and looking at a play in for the final playoff spot.

To me, it's no different than every year teams falling all over themselves to sign these college free agents. He's playing pro hockey in a good league against men and doing well vs playing against a bunch of kids. I don't know if he actually makes it but worth a shot.

This is the kind of signing that no one cares about in any but the hot bed markets like Edmonton. He's got a chance at being an NHLer...and it's a reasonable gamble with little risk. But it's not much of a story.

But. But. He’s playing on the same team that the Canucks ‘saviour’ Pettersson played on!

It's like how the sportswriters like to compare every Swedish defenceman coming in to the league as possibly another Nick Lidstrom...

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #729220 is a reply to message #729212 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 18:26

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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:53

It's like how the sportswriters like to compare every Swedish defenceman coming in to the league as possibly another Nick Lidstrom...

So you're telling me Lars and Klefbom AREN'T on the same level as Lidstrom?

I've been bamboozled

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755745 is a reply to message #729168 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 16:08

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https://oilersnation.com/2020/02/24/edmonton-oilers-trade-jo el-persson-to-anaheim-ducks/

Traded to Ducks for G Angus Redmond and a Conditional 2022 7th-Round Pick.

Damn, I thought there still could be a player here, just give him time to adapt to North American ice.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755762 is a reply to message #755745 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 16:52

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 16:08

https://oilersnation.com/2020/02/24/edmonton-oilers-trade-jo el-persson-to-anaheim-ducks/

Traded to Ducks for G Angus Redmond and a Conditional 2022 7th-Round Pick.

Damn, I thought there still could be a player here, just give him time to adapt to North American ice.

Angus Redmond - excellent chance he also will not be qualified this summer.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755763 is a reply to message #755762 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 16:53

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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 16:52

WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 16:08

https://oilersnation.com/2020/02/24/edmonton-oilers-trade-jo el-persson-to-anaheim-ducks/

Traded to Ducks for G Angus Redmond and a Conditional 2022 7th-Round Pick.

Damn, I thought there still could be a player here, just give him time to adapt to North American ice.

Angus Redmond - excellent chance he also will not be qualified this summer.

Sacrifices must be made with our 50/50 contract club :)

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755779 is a reply to message #755763 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 19:39

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Be more optimistic with this guy... icon_smile

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755781 is a reply to message #755745 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 19:57

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Bouchard not far off, there's not a lot of extra room for right shot d men on this team right now. I thought he looked like he could be a decent player given more time to get use to the NHL game too but.... only so many spots.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755784 is a reply to message #755781 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 20:19

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Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755787 is a reply to message #755784 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 20:35

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:19

Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

IIRC, Manning comes off the books at years end, while Persson is RFA.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755789 is a reply to message #755787 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 21:09

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 19:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:19

Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

IIRC, Manning comes off the books at years end, while Persson is RFA.

I don't like this. You let Persson battle for a spot next training camp with Bouchard and Benning. Not a move that needed to happen today.

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755791 is a reply to message #755789 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 21:27

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:09

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 19:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:19

Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

IIRC, Manning comes off the books at years end, while Persson is RFA.

I don't like this. You let Persson battle for a spot next training camp with Bouchard and Benning. Not a move that needed to happen today.

Not every day you can get an ECHL goalie though.

Definitely an odd one. Like he wants to manage our expectations of his work :)

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755804 is a reply to message #755789 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 22:55

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:09

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 19:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:19

Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

IIRC, Manning comes off the books at years end, while Persson is RFA.

I don't like this. You let Persson battle for a spot next training camp with Bouchard and Benning. Not a move that needed to happen today.

Two things here:

1) There's always time to get another tweener defenceman between this year and next. They may hope that if Green shows well he'll even sign another deal. As a free agent, Persson isn't re-signing for next year if he doesn't think there's room for him on the NHL team and barring injuries, he's got a lot of right shot guys ahead of him he'd need to beat out, even if the Oilers don't bring back Green or sign anyone else this summer.

2) He was on a one-way deal, so he's an expensive ticket on the AHL roster. One of several actually - Manning, Granlund, Jurco all on one-way deals too. At some point, the salaries tip the balance between profit and loss for your minor league team, and whether the Oilers can afford it or not, no one likes to lose money unnecessarily. I think that's probably even more exacerbated by the team failing to sell-out on so many nights this year. They have been working on forecasts that assume every seat is filled (or at least paid for) for years, so it's likely been a wake up call on the team finances to have some top line stress. That tends to focus you on controlling your costs where you're able.

Added benefit, Holland gets to look like a good guy, sending a player somewhere he may actually have a chance to live his NHL dream. Although poor Persson, if he gets a shot to play, suddenly will have three chances to get lit up by McDavid & Draisaitl now before the end of the season...

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Re: Oilers resign Joel Persson [message #755803 is a reply to message #755787 ]	Mon, 24 February 2020 22:49

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 20:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 February 2020 21:19

Holland listed off all the dmen ahead of Persson, everyone of them I don't think anyone would argue with. Persson wasn't making the Oilers. So what is the point in keeping a guy who won't be with the team next year taking ice time away from others on the farm. There isn't. I am sure if they could have got rid of manning instead they would have.

IIRC, Manning comes off the books at years end, while Persson is RFA.

He sure does but who's taking Manning?

On the left, Oilers have
Klef
Nurse
Jones
lagesson
Russell
Samorukov
Broberg

On the right, Oilers have
Larson
Bear
Bouchard
Benning

I didn't include a Swede or 2 I think who are right handed who they have to decide on. I think Berglund has to sign a contract to at least be in the AHL or they have to let him go.

Russell is the only guy over 30 and he's probably gone next season. Larson I think it 27. Klef might be 26. Everyone else is 25 and under. Most are 23 and under. Where does Persson fit? On the right he's 5th on he depth chart. Right now with Green he's 6th.

Persson turns 26 in a few weeks. At best he's #5 on the depth chart on the right side. His time it now. So why would you keep him even if he is an RFA. It wouldn't shock me if he quietly aksked to be traded. He would never play for the Oilers.

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