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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet? 2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

I agree. My biggest issue with PC (among many) is his habit of overpaying for secondary roles, that while important, should not be on the high end of the scale.
Bottom 6 forwards, 4-6 defenceman and backup goalies should not be paid premium prices when you have high end players that have big contracts.
Just based on simple economics this shouldnt be a constant offseason occurrence.

Specifically to this signing, the revolving door of backup goalies is pretty amazing. Every offseason there are a pile of proven, capable backup goalies available yet the Oilers, time and again, bring in unknowns/young guys/low percentage breakout players, etc.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet? 2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

Such as?


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa

Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T


So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.

[Updated on: Tue, 01 May 2018 13:19]

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50 Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet? 2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom. Such as? I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies. https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.

LB played 11 games where he got W or L. .883 SP/3.24 GAA
AM played 6. .906/2.94

for comparison
CT 65/.908/3.02

A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter.

this list made less than 1.3 mill last year;
Carter Hutton
Anton Khudobin
Antti Niemi
Ondrej Pavelec

I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing.

I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup.

Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old?

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14 Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50 Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet? 2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom. Such as? I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies. https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out. LB played 11 games where he got W or L. .883 SP/3.24 GAA AM played 6. .906/2.94 for comparison CT 65/.908/3.02 A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter. this list made less than 1.3 mill last year; Carter Hutton Anton Khudobin Antti Niemi Ondrej Pavelec I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing. I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup. Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old?

Niemi isn't he the guy that played so poorly that he was waived by half the of eastern conference teams last year?

This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.

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PoolParty wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:31

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:34 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14 Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50 Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet? 2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom. Such as? I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies. https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out. LB played 11 games where he got W or L. .883 SP/3.24 GAA AM played 6. .906/2.94 for comparison CT 65/.908/3.02 A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter. this list made less than 1.3 mill last year; Carter Hutton Anton Khudobin Antti Niemi Ondrej Pavelec I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing. I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup. Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old? Niemi isn't he the guy that played so poorly that he was waived by half the of eastern conference teams last year?

Yep, he played very poorly in 3 games for the penguins and 2 for the Panthers. He then played in Montreal. 19 games, .929 save % and a 2.46 GAA.

If you gave me that Montreal stat line, for the 700K he made, as our backup next year I would be just fine with it.

Added bonus, he is Finnish! bonus box checked.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14

I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL.

Per Ryan Batty on Twitter, since 15/16, Koskinen has actually performed average (11 spots ahead of Scrivezina! But 8 spots behind Fasth...) for KHL goalies.

"[It was] really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing. It was pretty cool to put it on. With all the history, it was a lot of fun." - Connor McDavid, July 1, 2015

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14 I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. Per Ryan Batty on Twitter, since 15/16, Koskinen has actually performed average (11 spots ahead of Scrivezina! But 8 spots behind Fasth...) for KHL goalies.

Thanks for posting this. I had seen it then when I wanted to reference it here I couldnt find it.
Also note he is better than Scrivens but 8 spots behind Fasth.

I hope I am the one being mocked but this may be a fun thread to revisit a year from now.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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Adam wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 15:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59 Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49 Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50 the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom. How many Stanley Cups have YOU won? According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups. 6 Cups, 5 Summer League Hockey Championships and THREE Oilfans Survivors. So I think I know a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern.

Is there anyone else in Oilfans who has won more Stanley cups than you?

You may want to consider changing your avatar.

[Updated on: Wed, 02 May 2018 08:30]

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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