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Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846757]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:30

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846760 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:35

tardigrade81
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Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan

3 Cups

Hurting bad man

No words. Just don't even know what to say.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846761 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:39

NCREDiBLE
Messages: 259
Registered: February 2007
Location: Cold Lake, AB

No Cups

Why even show up to play that bad?
Nobody was remembering how bad it hurt to lose so close last year?
The wife was like are they paid to lose this is terrible lol

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846762 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:42

scotiaoiler
Messages: 19
Registered: April 2006

No Cups

Well what can I say about the game and series. Way worse than last year. McDavid must be really questioning this team now. More so how management couldn't build around him and Drai. Outworef. Defence was really soft. They were slow. Whole team lost the puck battles. The goalie comparison is a joke. Number one goalie vs 2 back ups. Can't get even close to a 9 save %. This was an embarrassing finals. Game one was close but the rest Florida was by far the better team. .Last year I'd argue we were better in 5 of the 7. Pretty disappointed. 3 cup loses in a row. First team to be scored on at least twice in the first period in every game ever. Better team won. Way better run team won. We are not even in the top half of teams in the league when it comes to management. Sorry rant over and so is this team

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846763 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:44

smyth260
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Registered: November 2007

1 Cup

We have the 2 best scorers in the world and you pull the goalie with 7 minutes.

The risk is not the same as a regular season game, a game 1. It’s literally the cup.

Probably doesn’t matter, we were outclassed. I think last year we deserved a better fate but Bobrovsky stole some games. This year we won two 50/50s, lost one 50/50, and got run over the other 3.

There will be a lot to dissect here, but it’s pretty disappointing that 97/29 didn’t have big moments when it mattered most in 2 finals. Completely shut down.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846764 is a reply to message #846762 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:46

Jay
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Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton

1 Cup

I think this doesn't suck quite as badly as last year. In the end they weren't really that close. It's too bad we weren't able to bring the round 2 version of this team to the finals - they would have had a good chance.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846765 is a reply to message #846761 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:47

Leia
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Location: England

No Cups

This time last year it was close, desperately close. Bodies hurting badly clambering back from the depth of a sweep to force the cup to the last seconds, this year we've laid an egg in the final series.

If you don't score goals, you don't win games. If you can't defend then you'll let in goals and won't win games. We could have prime Roy/Hasek or any other all star netminder in this team, but with the way we've allowed teams and more so this Florida team to march through us, we'd be getting beat.

We need better from the netminding duo, but we need better defending, to many times they've been skating around like 6 or 7 year olds chasing the puck rather than playing the system and left too many people wide open.

After the decade of darkness to go back to back to the finals is beyond what we ever expected, to go 4 straight seasons of only losing to the eventual winners in the play-off's shows we aren't far away, but it does seem further away right now than it did last year.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846766 is a reply to message #846765 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:51

nullterm
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Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC

1 Cup

Power Play teams don’t win the Cup.

We needed a better goalie this exact time last year… and we walked right back with the same guy expecting different result. Dumb.

Knobs getting the axe. But Bowman should be gone first.

FOUR Stanley Cup Final games that I turned off in the 1st or 2nd, one I resumed when they got going. But that’s utterly pathetic to get that far and no show multiple games.

Leadership. We have two Gretzkys, but no Messier.

Torch it. New GM. Mini rebuild. This team will never seal the deal without major changes. Nothing is off the table now.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846768 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:52

Kr55
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Lots of work for bowman this summer. We tried to win a cup again without an NHL quality starting goalie. The only truly good goaltending we got in the series was 3 periods of Pickard in game 4.

Signing McDavid and Bouch is going to make improving this team extremely difficult. If we can’t have a hard conversation about nurse and find a way to move him I think we can almost write off next season while we wait for the cap to go up. Shame.

Need top 6 wingers than can make actual plays 5v5 and score. That’s very hard too. We have some one and done shooters, but no one but McDrai and make plays at even strength vs top defenders. Nuge went invisible again at even strength when the going got tough. It’s too easy to shadow and double team McDavid and Drai when the wingers are useless. Playing them together rarely works long term too. They start gambling and end up with long shifts in our end and the opposition knows they only have to worry about 1 line on our team. Can’t believe 10 years into McDrai we still can’t ice 2 lines 5v5 that look competent.

Fire the special teams coaches and Schwartz damn it. Useless turds out of ideas.

Sucks. Get to the finals in spite of all the issues we have known for years that management refuses to address or straight up sabotaged our ability to address (Nurse contract). And in the finals we get burned by those weaknesses anyways. Two years in a row.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2025 20:54]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846769 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:54

philly boy
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Registered: July 2007
Location: E-Town

No Cups

get a goalie ffs, and some D too

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846771 is a reply to message #846763 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:56

cpcos
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Registered: March 2013

No Cups

Maybe we don’t have the best 2 goal scorers….
Rainheart scored 4 tonight…. If that’s not the best goal scorer, then I don’t know what goal scorer is…

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846772 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:58

Rutuu
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Registered: March 2011
Location: Brisbane

No Cups

We really missed Hyman out there.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846773 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 20:59

Rowan Oil Fielding
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No Cups

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846774 is a reply to message #846773 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:05

jerekybeef
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Registered: July 2006
Location: Kamloops

No Cups

Out coached and out played. Can’t get out of the zone. Every time under pressure all Florida had to do was seal the wall and take possession. Easy to play against team. Poor positioning by everyone and whatever system they play on defence does not work. Everyone up high by the net and let the opponent bring the puck out at their leisure. Not finishing checks, not playing the body and turnstiled on majority of the breakaways right on top of the goalie. Very poor showing all around. No bright spots in the finals.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846775 is a reply to message #846774 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:20

Kr55
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Location: Edmonton

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jerekybeef wrote on Tue, 17 June 2025 21:05

It's possible our D + wingers just were good enough to make fast plays in our zone. Any time Nurse was on the ice it was like we were on a PK 5v5. No D partner in this series was able to make up for him. Ekholm is just off, and Kulak probably hit the max he could handle in terms of opposition against the florida forecheck. Most of our D looked better against lesser competition, but there was a much higher degree of difficulty against Florida and a lot of our guys simply couldn't handle it. And our forwards defensive abilities were badly exposed as well.

There are adjustments, and there is hitting a wall of what your players are capable of. I think we hit the latter in this series unfortunately.

The only team that pushed Florida to any limit was Toronto, and that was because Bobo played like complete garbage in a couple games in that series. We got no such luck. Neither did Tampa or Carolina.

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- Lowe, 2013

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846777 is a reply to message #846775 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:32

nullterm
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Location: Port Moody, BC

1 Cup

Are the Oilers just an entertainment company? McDavid and Draisatl to sell tickets and jerseys and sports drinks?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846778 is a reply to message #846775 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:32

Suomalainen
Messages: 1037
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO

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Well, I'd say Toronto probably beats Florida if Bennett doesn't "brush" by Stolarz. But that's neither here nor there.

I have no idea how this team will go forward. Maybe with the west playing the way it does, they can contend again out here, but who knows. I think McDavid will have to Ray Bourque it, tbqh.

Last year killed my mojo for hockey, and I'd get in and out of it. I think this will kill it even more, especially during football season.

97.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846779 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:39

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Everyone that was OK with picking Bennett back in 2014 vindicated at least :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846781 is a reply to message #846775 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 21:51

Adam
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6 Cups

I'm really sad tonight. This one hurts worse than last year even. I have all kinds of thoughts, but tonight I'm just going to stew in this. Maybe I'll write more tomorrow.

Good night and good season Oilfans. Terrible ending.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846784 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 22:43

MJ
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Registered: November 1997
Location: Victoria

No Cups

I was a kid in 1990, we won a Cup.

Then 2006, my mid-twenties. Have so much fun with friends en-route to oops, not again.

2024, game seven, almost made me cry.

2025, game six, it's kind of like meh, know it, don't care anymore.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846785 is a reply to message #846779 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 22:44

mad90
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2007
Location: Edmonton, Alberta

No Cups

Ben does have two cup and Dra zero soooo lol

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846786 is a reply to message #846785 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 23:17

Mike
Messages: 1853
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick

1 Cup

It’s 7am here in Paris. Didn’t bother waking up for this one. Looks like it was a good decision.

Last year we stomped the Panthers in I think 3 games. Including game 1 when Bob stole the game. And the rest were pretty much 50/50 games.

This year? We didn’t dominate many periods let alone games. 3 OT games, and 3 Florida drubbings. I know Florida is obviously a good team, but what a no show for the finals.

Still cant believe management figured running it back with Skinner and Pickard was a great idea. Get some new guys in here and fire the goalie coach into the sun.

I think the loss of Hyman was about as big a loss as we could have had, especially against the Panthers.

On the one hand, this sucks. On the other, I got to watch my team win 3 rounds 2 years in a row. Wasn’t really expecting much this year, especially opening with 2 losses to LA, but we did get to see some exciting hockey for a couple of months.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846787 is a reply to message #846784 ]	Tue, 17 June 2025 23:39

nullterm
Messages: 1162
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Location: Port Moody, BC

1 Cup

MJ wrote on Tue, 17 June 2025 21:43

Same.

06 and 24 hurt, and even some of the runs before then too. Because they tried every time (except '24 game 7 no show).

This year, four SCF games I turned off (one resumed) because the players were no shows on the ice. After I shut off the game today... after the SECOND goal... I honestly do not care. The players didn't bother to care, why should I.

I wish the 06 team played today. Even if they lost, they would have been crashing the net, diving on hand grenades, outskilled but damnit they tried.

This 25 team... man... it didn't even try when it counted.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846788 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 05:14

Hibernia
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Registered: October 1998
Location: Sin John's

No Cups

It's clear a lot of people want to blame the goaltending or even the defence, but what happened to the forward depth this team showed in the first three rounds? Our forwards really didn't make a dent in Florida's team D this year. They rarely had sustained pressure like we're used to seeing. They hardly got any chances in the slot, like we're used to seeing. Basically, the Panthers shut the Oilers down. At no point in the series did I feel like Bobrovsky was stealing anything. In fact, half the time he looked shaky to me, but the Oilers couldn't capitalize on second chances. I don't recall a single "Did you see that?" from Cuthbert after a Bob save in the series.

The Oilers were never in this series. Even the two games they won in OT they had to fight their way back into those games. Despite having the what in the long run may be considered the two best players in the series, this Florida team was a way better team. Three forward lines that could've been the top line on any team. Paul Maurice may have been right, this was a better team than they won with last year.

What happened to all of my messages? lol (I guess it's been awhile) BlueSky: StefBarnes

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846789 is a reply to message #846788 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 08:11

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 05:14

For sure. Our forward depth slammed into a wall in the finals. Almost all our forwards really. We had to be a one line team again because McDavid and Drai could be double/triple teamed on their own lines and their wingers couldn’t do a single thing with the extra space that would give them. We don’t have wingers that can actually carry pucks and make heads up plays. We have guys that need McDavid or Drai to do 90% of the work with the puck. It’s a problem against a team that plays a relentless and smart defensive game. Totally different challenge than what we faced in the first 3 rounds and we didn’t have the horses to overcome it. Corey Perry put the rest of our wingers to shame these playoffs, and arguably the entire season. That’s a huge problem.

Special teams need to be called out too. Our terrible PK made us scared to play on the edge. While our PP being inept in key moments made Florida more and more fearless. Huge difference from last year, probably a big reason we couldn’t get to game 7. There were opportunities to put game 2 further out of Floridas reach on the PP and we just choked it. Both special teams coaches should be canned.

In the end, we keep hoping that 2 or 3 elite talents can always overcome poor forward depth, mediocre defense and not having a legit NHL starting goalie. And it’s crazy how close we came 2 years in a row, but both times we ran into a properly built hockey team that was able to just smother our elite guys and expose how crappy the rest of our team is. It sucks, but if our org is honest with themselves, they would admit they have been screwing up since they drafted McDavid, and they didn’t really deserve better.

[Updated on: Wed, 18 June 2025 08:33]

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846790 is a reply to message #846784 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 11:05

Rocksteady
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Registered: March 2007

No Cups

MJ wrote on Tue, 17 June 2025 22:43

2024, game seven, almost made me cry.

2025, game six, it's kind of like meh, know it, don't care anymore.

These last two years are exactly same for me in how I feel. I just knew it in my heart this team wasn't the ones. I think we all knew it, but our "believe" and hope attitude masked the realities of what was right there in front of us the entire series.

Team can't finish the job, we have the two best players in the game and cast of pretenders who played above their level for much of these playoffs.

The Panthers are dirty, mean, and have something in their DNA that makes them pricks to play against, the Oilers need that.

I look up and down the line and I see a bunch of nice guys, some with edge but not enough to win.

Hurts man, but they will drop the puck on the season, hopefully McDavid resigns an 8 year extension this off season, and we can shut those plebs down who are saying McDavid will win on another team.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846791 is a reply to message #846788 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 11:43

Adam
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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 05:14

The biggest difference in the Finals is that Florida is a well-constructed team with depth in all facets, and the Oilers have a couple of phenomenal players, but little beyond that.

We got some big contributions from the depth in the prior rounds, but they were playing above their heads. With Hyman out and Nuge hobbled and the coach completely unwilling to play Jeff Skinner on a top line, it meant that we were skating guys who are third liners at best on top lines. Meanwhile the Panthers have built basically three top units. The Oilers plan always seems to be to hope that McDavid and Draisaitl can win it on their own. If they run in to a wall, it's game over.

Worth thinking about the third lines on both teams and how dangerous Florida's was in comparison. Marchand scored 6 goals in the Finals. Henrique had 7 points in the entire playoffs. Frederic had all of 4.

Yandle on Spittin' Chiclets talked too about people buying in. There was talk that Kane was pouty about getting moved down the lineup after all his penalties. You just can't have that in the Finals. If a guy can't put aside his ego at that stage? Then you can't have him on the team.

The Oilers management and coaches continually value age and safety over talent and youth. It caught up to us. The team could not sustain the physical play they started the series with. We stopped hitting, we stopped scrumming. It looked like the other guys won that battle especially as games wore on.

Some of that is injuries - as mentioned, Nuge wasn't even practicing. Was Frederic ever okay? Ekholm was clearly not well. The Panthers had the book on Ekholm and knew he wasn't pivoting well. They were attacking down his wing constantly one-on-one and the first goal in the last two games was him getting turnstiled.

I do wish someone could have foreseen that the goaltending probably wasn't good enough. If only there had been some foreshadowing there, then the Oilers could have addressed that last summer or at the trade deadline.

Coaching wasn't great in the Finals either. The Panthers attack always - very aggressive. The Oilers were passive in response especially in the defensive zone. Some of that is likely a lack of trust in the goalies - the coach feels we need as many bodies as possible between the puck and the net, but the number of times we got hemmed...it takes a huge toll.

The breakout was never really tweaked, and we weren't doing a great job getting pucks out even when we did get possession. We gave it back so often. Some of that is on certain players (not sure there's a worse winger at picking pucks up off the rim around than Kane, for instance).

Full marks to the players on the Edmonton Oilers. They have got to back-to-back finals and I don't think there was any quit. I think they wanted it really really badly. They just haven't been a well-managed team and they got there in spite of that, while the Panthers are an excellently managed team who is always building depth - and even has their AHL team in the Finals there too.

The saddest thing is that Bill Zito was one of the guys on the Oilers interview list back after they fired Chiarelli until that moron Bob Nicholson heard that the fossilized remains of Ken Holland might be available, causing them to immediately forget about that plan for a fulsome process...imagine what might have been...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846792 is a reply to message #846791 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 12:28

nullterm
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1 Cup

Does McDavid need a Yzerman reinvention of himself?

... and Draisatl?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846793 is a reply to message #846792 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 14:25

Adam
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nullterm wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 12:28

Does McDavid need a Yzerman reinvention of himself?

... and Draisatl?

Anyone who thinks that McDavid and Draisaitl are the issue is a complete idiot. They are the reason we're in the finals. Both made many good defensive plays during the post-season and they also led the league in playoff scoring for the second straight year.

The Yzerman stuff is completely overplayed anyhow - he surprisingly started winning when the Red Wings actually put a decent team around him. No matter how well he played two-ways in his early career, he wasn't going to win Cups. He didn't have the team.

The Oilers have not built a great team. The depth has been paper thin, and they keep just signing people well in to the back-nine of their career, most of whom are light on the offence that they bring. We have a starting goalie who's been repeatedly pulled in every playoffs he's been in - and the Oilers decided that they wouldn't make any changes to that position - leaving the second option as another guy who's only playoff experience has come in his 30s when relieving Stuart Skinner.

They made moves at the deadline - and Walman was a decent pickup, but they hardly maximized there. Florida's adds were way more consequential and played a much bigger role.

We had a constant issue with health this year - playing injured players over and over, with really poor results. We saw that too in the post-season. We have guys who there's a question whether they were really the best option given health.

The coaching in the finals was all fear-driven. They didn't want mistakes. As McDavid said last night they wanted to see if they could win some 2-1 games. Why??? Is that what we should be striving for? Risks are an essential part of the game, and when you play too conservative, it's hard to get and build leads. And we saw the results.

This team has a lot of issues. The biggest is whether the management is actually any better than the GMs who've come before and whether they can remodel this team over the summer to find a way to get us over the hump (hopefully including a McDavid signing). The coaching needs to be better. We need depth players who can contribute at above fourth liner abilities. We need defence that isn't porous, and that has enough depth that it can handle an ill-timed injury. And we need goaltending.

McDavid and Draisaitl? Those aren't the problems.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846794 is a reply to message #846793 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 14:53

smyth260
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1 Cup

I don’t think anyone will call them the problem, but their results against Florida and especially in the biggest games of these 2 series are disappointing. Barkov and Forsling owned them. We can blame some of that on coaching but at the end of the day they were not the best players in the series, like we have seen in many previous rounds.

No need to reinvent their game, but it happened. While I wouldn’t want it to be a topic in the media, but we can acknowledge it here.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846795 is a reply to message #846794 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 14:56

Adam
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 14:53

I just disagree. They still were the Oilers best players in the series. Some bad puck luck too. The stats suggested that McDavid was slaughtering the competition on expected goals but it wasn't going in for him. Some of that is no Hyman and broken Nuge - if you have no one else who can convert it doesn't help.

Would have loved if they put up hat tricks the last couple games, but the whole Florida game plan was to neutralize those guys knowing that no one else was going to get anything done.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846796 is a reply to message #846795 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 15:25

nullterm
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1 Cup

Adam wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 13:56

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 14:53

I don’t think they were the problem. I think this is a team problem. And often in team situations you need to adapt what you have against what you don’t have.

Especially when people are going down due to injury.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846797 is a reply to message #846796 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 15:56

Adam
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nullterm wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:25

Adam wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 13:56

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 14:53

What are 97 and 29 supposed to do about sub-.900 goaltending every game? What are they supposed to do when defencemen are throwing absolute grenade pass giveaways, and then getting walked? They're already playing ridiculously high minutes. They can't do everything. We need a better base around them.

I mean, someone suggested we have two Gretzkys, no Messier. I don't think that's the case at all. I think the 80s Oilers had Kurri on Gretzky's line, and Anderson on Messier's line and they thought that wasn't enough - they still got Tikkanen and Nilsson and Simpson, etc. to play with them. And their third line was always good. Scored, defended, outplayed other team's depth. The stars can't be on the ice the whole damn time. Sather was never content with the team and always added pieces when he could.

No salary cap in those days which is a bit easier, but he did was Zito did - found players who were undervalued elsewhere and brought them in. He wasn't only looking at trades. He brought Randy Gregg from the Team Canada/U of A program. He got players out of Europe. He picked up guys on waivers.

Zito's done similarly. He got Bennett when the Flames sold low. He got Forsling for nothing when another team waived him. He got Reinhart for a first round pick and a goalie prospect.

The Oilers just aren't playing in the same league when it comes to Team Management and that's what won the series. There's just no world in which an Adam Henrique centered third line can be expected to outplay a Marchand-driven one.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846799 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 16:21

Rutuu
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1935438488813416815

Not sure how I feel about this...and the timing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846802 is a reply to message #846799 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 16:51

nullterm
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Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:21

https://twitter.com/user/status/1935438488813416815

Not sure how I feel about this...and the timing.

8 years for Frederic, $4 mil per? Whaaaa

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846804 is a reply to message #846802 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 17:08

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I hope this is not true. I thought he was one of the worst Oilers all play-offs. All play-offs. I'd let him walk at that price but the Oilers don't learn their lesson

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846808 is a reply to message #846804 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 17:23

Adam
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scotiaoiler wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 17:08

I hope this is not true. I thought he was one of the worst Oilers all play-offs. All play-offs. I'd let him walk at that price but the Oilers don't learn their lesson

We have to pray this is BS.

He had 15 points in 58 regular season games this year. That's a 21-point pace if all season. Yes he had 40 the year before but that's a one off. He went 5 (in 42 games), 18, 31, 40, 15. You can't pay for the top of that curve. It's bad enough they paid for that top on what they traded for him.

We just saw him do nothing for two months. Hobbled or not, you have to ask if he wants to be here and be part of something special again. And if he does, then he can't get paid absolute top dollar possible.

The team has to remember that they want to convince Bouchard and McDavid not to clean out the till this summer. Overpaying mediocre players is a really bad counter to that argument. This would be the Oilers rushing to re-sign Russell and Gryba ahead of McDavid's last contract. It sends the wrong signal and it shows a misunderstanding of the team's negotiating position as a team that's been to two straight finals.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846810 is a reply to message #846802 ]	Wed, 18 June 2025 19:32

Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
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nullterm wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:51

Rutuu wrote on Wed, 18 June 2025 15:21

https://twitter.com/user/status/1935438488813416815

Not sure how I feel about this...and the timing.

8 years for Frederic, $4 mil per? Whaaaa

Can't be real.. That's a freaking boat anchor!

I'd say he's worth 2.5 max on term.. probsbly less. after
whatI saw of him these playoffs..

No way 4 mil...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846815 is a reply to message #846810 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 01:08

Rutuu
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Registered: March 2011
Location: Brisbane

No Cups

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https://x.com/frank_seravalli/status/1935461876533534957?s=1 9

I feel almost worse about this than game 5...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #6) [message #846823 is a reply to message #846757 ]	Thu, 19 June 2025 10:24

Rocksteady
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Registered: March 2007

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If anything remains true, Bowman is ready to sink this team.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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