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Per Oilers Twitter

https://x.com/edmontonoilers/status/1830976637984481481?s=46

Yay Leon!

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 08:39

Per Oilers Twitter

https://x.com/edmontonoilers/status/1830976637984481481?s=46

Yay Leon!


Nice. McDavid probably comes in around 15 I hope. Let's go cap increases!!

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What a relief.

Cap issues be damned, this was a MUSTY signing. Now we listen to other fan bases say we have too much tied up into a small group of players, or McDavid is leaving because there is not enough money for him.

Summer is officially over. It's hockey time.

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McDavid is coming in at $16 Million.

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Expensive, but it’s just nice an elite player could be an Oiler for life.

Hope we can move money for Bouchard.

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Jakey wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 08:52

McDavid is coming in at $16 Million.


Could be. Just figuring these guys would have agreed to stay somewhat close together like Crosby/Malkin and Toews/Kane did. Drai gave the team more of a discount vs his performance the last 8 years.

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 Re: Draisaitl Re-signs 8 yrs 14M AAV [message #837837 is a reply to message #837829 ]
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Thrilled he is staying.

McDavid is next.

Solid.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Jakey wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 08:52

McDavid is coming in at $16 Million.

It'll be league max less a symbolic mil or so just like last time.

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 Re: Draisaitl Re-signs 8 yrs 14M AAV [message #837839 is a reply to message #837837 ]
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McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

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McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.

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 Re: Draisaitl Re-signs 8 yrs 14M AAV [message #837841 is a reply to message #837829 ]
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https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1831029730126213361

So much for a "Tulsky"..
Here's hoping the cap goes up to 130M by year 8 .. which it will at 5% growth.. ($130M) .. then his contract is 10% of team cap .. which it is now 🤞🏻

Problem will be when his, McDavids, Bouchards caps are 45% of team cap...
.... so when is Nurse's NMC changed to a 10 team NTC? .. year 6 to 8.. so in 2027-28 :)

Mostly bonus.. buyout proof and he gets paid in case there is a ever a lockout

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Draisaitl #LetsGoOilers 8 year $14M AAV extension:

Yr 1 1M Salary & 15.5M Signing Bonus
Yr 2 1M & 15.5M SB
Yr 3 1M & 15.5M SB
Yr 4 1M & 13M SB
Yr 5 1M & 11.5M SB
Yr 6 1M & 11M SB
Yr 7 1M & 11M SB
Yr 8 1M & 11M SB

[Updated on: Tue, 03 September 2024 12:59]

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Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:57

... Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Thats pretty awesome .. 19 years .. longest duration of Oiler contracts in team history?

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.

Also happy that Drai is signed. There are risks, but might as well keep the core together and try to win.

Holland was forced to waste two years waiting for all of Chia's mistakes to come up the books. Then, as soon as Holland had money, he spent it and put the Oilers right back into cap purgatory forcing the Oilers to be totally reliant on cap increases that never came. So now here we are, hoping and waiting on cap increases.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 13:02

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:57

... Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Thats pretty awesome .. 19 years .. longest duration of Oiler contracts in team history?


Goodness. I can't believe he's been on the team for 10 years already. Time flies when you're getting old.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 15:02

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:57

... Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Thats pretty awesome .. 19 years .. longest duration of Oiler contracts in team history?



I think so. He edges Nuge by 1 year since his 2nd contract was 7 years and not 8.

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Fair deal for Leon, he stays with the team for a long time, putting to bed the Canadian franchise stigma.

I never like the Crosby / Malkin and Kane / Toews comparisons...Because for Toews and Kane they were 22,25 and 27yrs old when they won Cups. Crosby and Malkin were 22, 29 and 30yrs old when they won theirs.

The next 2yrs (assuming McDavid signs, then 3 - 4yrs) are the window.

Big win for Stan Bowman today too.



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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 15:17

Fair deal for Leon, he stays with the team for a long time, putting to bed the Canadian franchise stigma.

I never like the Crosby / Malkin and Kane / Toews comparisons...Because for Toews and Kane they were 22,25 and 27yrs old when they won Cups. Crosby and Malkin were 22, 29 and 30yrs old when they won theirs.

The next 2yrs (assuming McDavid signs, then 3 - 4yrs) are the window.

Big win for Stan Bowman today too.




Personally think McDavid is going to surprise ppl with his deal next summer.

Less about having won cups than being in it for the long haul with your BFF and wanting to have the best chance to keep winning. Drai was left in the dust on the first deals between these guys. McDavid had a responsibility to set a new precedent with contracts with his 2nd deal. He can do that again next summer, don't think many ppl will be beating Leon out, but doesn't have to leave Drai completely in the dust yet again.

We shall see.

Bouch on the other hand. No reason for him to not get what he can. We're gonna get multiple big bargain years out of him, and it's our managements fault he isn't already locked up long term.

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IMO McDavid's actual market value based on his team contribution relative to other players is at least $30M
.. that's market value.. but neither he, nor the team, would ever have a hope of winning a Cup at 30% of cap.. so McDavid's will be the most interesting contract to me.. he has a blank cheque.. he decides what is on it..

I thought Leon was worth around 13M based on performance relative to other players in today's market.. he signed for $1M more.. which is like a league min. roster spot.. So $14M is in a fair range.. becomes more value as the cap goes up.. while he is in his prime.. likely less so in years 6 to 8 .. but cap could be $135M by then

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 15:30

... Bouch on the other hand. No reason for him to not get what he can. We're gonna get multiple big bargain years out of him, and it's our managements fault he isn't already locked up long term.


Leon's monster contract was a very low risk bet.. could become the modern day Jagr playing until he's 50!

But I think Bouchard's next contract could have much more higher long term risk.. he's playing 1st pair.. but he's playing with an all-star defensive machine in Ekholm.. Bouchard has the offense.. the question will be can he play 1st pair without a top defenseman partner.. maybe he can.. but he hasn't done it yet.. so there is risk there..

Oilers paid Nurse for the expectation that Nurse would progress to be a 1st pair defenseman.. but Nurse never turned in to that guy.. now they have an untradeable boat anchor contract to deal with.. made a bet that never materialized.. losing prospects because of it (Broberg, Holloway)

[Updated on: Tue, 03 September 2024 16:53]

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 16:47

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 15:30

... Bouch on the other hand. No reason for him to not get what he can. We're gonna get multiple big bargain years out of him, and it's our managements fault he isn't already locked up long term.


Leon's monster contract was a very low risk bet.. could become the modern day Jagr playing until he's 50!

But I think Bouchard's next contract could have much more higher long term risk.. he's playing 1st pair.. but he's playing with an all-star defensive machine in Ekholm.. Bouchard has the offense.. the question will be can he play 1st pair without a top defenseman partner.. maybe he can.. but he hasn't done it yet.. so there is risk there..

Oilers paid Nurse for the expectation that Nurse would progress to be a 1st pair defenseman.. but Nurse never turned in to that guy.. now they have an untradeable boat anchor contract to deal with.. made a bet that never materialized.. losing prospects because of it (Broberg, Holloway)



It's funny that Ekholm went to 32 year old without anyone thinking he was a superstar. Even ended up a cap dump by Nashville, after a year of struggle with a young D, because he was seen a redundant with 33 year old McDonagh.

In any case. I think Bouch will be fine to bet on :) Actually think he will move the needle overall more than Drai going forward. Luckily he won't be paid that way.

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 18:29

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

What was the worst Chia move? Hall for Larson? Doesn't look that bad with hindsight..Reinhart? Holland had Athanaseau..
Chia locked up 97 and 29 to killer deals in their prime years. Drafted Bouchard..

I'm really not trying to praise chirelli here but the ball was on a tee for someone competent to knock it out of the park. Instead we got Holland who tripped over his shoelaces on the way to the plate.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 16:59

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 16:47

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 15:30

... Bouch on the other hand. No reason for him to not get what he can. We're gonna get multiple big bargain years out of him, and it's our managements fault he isn't already locked up long term.


Leon's monster contract was a very low risk bet.. could become the modern day Jagr playing until he's 50!

But I think Bouchard's next contract could have much more higher long term risk.. he's playing 1st pair.. but he's playing with an all-star defensive machine in Ekholm.. Bouchard has the offense.. the question will be can he play 1st pair without a top defenseman partner.. maybe he can.. but he hasn't done it yet.. so there is risk there..

Oilers paid Nurse for the expectation that Nurse would progress to be a 1st pair defenseman.. but Nurse never turned in to that guy.. now they have an untradeable boat anchor contract to deal with.. made a bet that never materialized.. losing prospects because of it (Broberg, Holloway)



It's funny that Ekholm went to 32 year old without anyone thinking he was a superstar. Even ended up a cap dump by Nashville, after a year of struggle with a young D, because he was seen a redundant with 33 year old McDonagh.

In any case. I think Bouch will be fine to bet on :) Actually think he will move the needle overall more than Drai going forward. Luckily he won't be paid that way.

I think a lot of the narrative around Ekholms influence on Bouchard was Oilers media driven to influence contract talks with 2 and to give give Holland credit for the Ekholm trade.

Personally I like Ekholm and they are a good pair but let's not kid ourselves about who is benefiting more from that tandem. 14 is a solid veteran player but 2 is a superstar.

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Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 19:19

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McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

What was the worst Chia move? Hall for Larson? Doesn't look that bad with hindsight..Reinhart? Holland had Athanaseau..
Chia locked up 97 and 29 to killer deals in their prime years. Drafted Bouchard..

I'm really not trying to praise chirelli here but the ball was on a tee for someone competent to knock it out of the park. Instead we got Holland who tripped over his shoelaces on the way to the plate.


His last year that if we didn't know better could be considered sabotage I think really sets him apart. Strome for Spooner? Trading for Brandon Manning, and making McDavid feel like he has to call his d-bag up and explain how he's totally cool with him joining the team (not long after Manning is in the AHL being suspended for racist remarks in a game). Paying Koskinen start money for 3 weeks of good play. Hitchcock hire was weird too.

Chia did draft reasonably well. Could have been even better if he didn't make some stupid trades early on. But Chia also would have likely traded Bouch before he broke out. Who knows, he could have even traded Drai if he kept stumbling along. Holland was like a mix of Chia and Tambo. But still missing an overall vision of how to fix the team. At least he developed some prospects and didn't trade them at rock bottom prices. But the speed of blowing cap space the second he had it was always going to stop him from actually creating a team that could actually dominate a regular season + playoffs.

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Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 18:29

... I think a lot of the narrative around Ekholms influence on Bouchard was Oilers media driven to influence contract talks with 2 and to give give Holland credit for the Ekholm trade.

Personally I like Ekholm and they are a good pair but let's not kid ourselves about who is benefiting more from that tandem. 14 is a solid veteran player but 2 is a superstar.


I knew Ekholm was a stud D-man before the trade.. I noticed him grease guys out every time they played the Oilers.. a human eraser.. and wishing we had a guy like that.. or that any of our guys could play like that.. I was totally surprised Nashville let him go.. I guess they reckoned they had too much of a good thing..

Bouchard hasn't had a D-partner not Eklund yet.. so his play without him is an unknown.. fingers crossed.. icon_smile

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 19:58


His last year that if we didn't know better could be considered sabotage I think really sets him apart.

I guess if you were cynical you might say the same thing about the last guy and his golf trips with Doug Armstrong.

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Chia also had VERY little to do with locking Connor up. Connor said he wanted to leave money on the table. Chia would have given him max term and max dollars if Connor asked for it.
Also, at the time of Draisaitl's signing, nobody knew he'd become this player. He was broadly seen as overpaid at the time of signing.

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Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 19:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 18:29

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

What was the worst Chia move? Hall for Larson? Doesn't look that bad with hindsight..Reinhart? Holland had Athanaseau..
Chia locked up 97 and 29 to killer deals in their prime years. Drafted Bouchard..

I'm really not trying to praise chirelli here but the ball was on a tee for someone competent to knock it out of the park. Instead we got Holland who tripped over his shoelaces on the way to the plate.


I mean, let's call it as it is - both were awful.

Trading the Barzal pick (plus a second!) for Reinhart because he missed out on Hamilton was ridiculously bad. If he'd gotten Hamilton, would have been great but his kneejerk back-up plan was so awful that it really set the team back.

Hall for Larsson, let's not kid ourselves - that was a dreadful trade. Hall had his best seasons in the years after that trade prior to his body breaking down. He'd shown great chemistry with Draisaitl - we could have had an absolutely incredible 1-2 punch the next year when everyone was healthy.

Yes - they needed a RHD, but the price they paid for a defence first guy was ridiculous and almost without precedence. I mean, imagine if they'd kept Hall, avoided signing Lucic and picked up Demers instead? His shelf life would not have been particularly long but would have been a good stop gap and they could have looked to add at that next trade deadline instead.

And as much as his trades have been maligned, that 2017 trade deadline where he only got David Desharnais despite the team playing well and having remarkable good health and the best goaltending we've had in the entire McDavid era was horrendous management. At the time they suggested they didn't think our window was open, but we were one bad call away from the Semi-Finals that year. Adding an impact player might have been the difference and if you're in the Final Four, then anything can happen. Nashville wasn't unbeatable, and even if we'd lost, a Finals against Sidney Crosby and the Penguins would have been an incredible learning moment for the young team.

With Holland, there's a lot of issues - his drafting sucked. His trades were generally not amazing. He had a couple good free agent signings, but his cap management was really poor and he made a bunch of unforced errors on re-signings like Kassian and Nurse that cost us greatly and may cost us yet in the future.

But the greatest issue with that fossil is that he had complete lack of urgency and wasted 5 years of McDavid & Draisaitl without a plan to get over the hump and lots of dead cap space throughout the entire term. Even though we made the Semi-Finals twice and the Finals once in that time, it's hard to give much credit to Holland. Both trips required ridiculous, record-breaking performances from McDavid & Draisaitl. Holland's contributions in those years were pitiful and his goaltending choices were a big reason that we lost playoff rounds to Colorado and Vegas.

The fact we've got to this point and haven't won a Cup with McDavid doing McDavid things year after year and Draisaitl matching him point for point in most post-seasons shows just how horribly bad both of those guys have been. I do think that if we don't win in the next 2-4 years, it will get a lot harder as those guys get in to their 30s, especially with $30MM+ tied up in the both of them.

All that said, I'm thrilled we're keeping Draisaitl. I always thought a deep run was the key to getting it done, and I think that's saved the day here. Here's hoping we can have another this year while the team could conceivably make some noise if they use LTIR well and make a couple big swings.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 04 September 2024 09:51

Chia also had VERY little to do with locking Connor up. Connor said he wanted to leave money on the table. Chia would have given him max term and max dollars if Connor asked for it.
Also, at the time of Draisaitl's signing, nobody knew he'd become this player. He was broadly seen as overpaid at the time of signing.


I mean, he wasn't exactly a complete unknown. The issue wasn't that no one knew he had star potential, it was that MacKinnon and Pastrnak had both just signed deals for way less. Draisaitl gave more years than Pastrnak but even so - it was over $2MM a year more. It worked out pretty well, and if he'd signed the Pasta contract (comparables were very close at the time), Draisaitl would have been making over $10MM the last 2 years so as far as Chia blunders go, it wasn't his biggest.

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I don't even count Drai's signing among CHia's blunders. It was the one good thing he was ahead of the curve with.
True that he would be at 10mil-ish now if he had taken a Mackinnnon style deal at the time, but who's to say what else would have changed between then and now. Maybe having 2 mil extra could have been the difference any of the last 3 years and we could have had a cup... or maybe we would have given Ceci and Kulak each 1mil extra when they signed...

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 05 September 2024 10:55

I don't even count Drai's signing among CHia's blunders. It was the one good thing he was ahead of the curve with.
True that he would be at 10mil-ish now if he had taken a Mackinnnon style deal at the time, but who's to say what else would have changed between then and now. Maybe having 2 mil extra could have been the difference any of the last 3 years and we could have had a cup... or maybe we would have given Ceci and Kulak each 1mil extra when they signed...


The playoff performance Drai had in 2017 made that negotiation far more difficult. Outperformed McDavid, looked like an absolute beast.

MacKinnon had a 52 point season and the Avs were trash when he signed. missed the playoffs the next year too.

Pasta had a 70 point season, playing all year with an 85 point Marchand and Bergeron putting up another Selke year.

All leadership on Bruins had a weird pressure on players that no one should make more than Bergeron as well that seemed to work on Pasta in the end, lol. I do wish we had some kinda voodoo like that, but there was no comparable on our team, Drai blew everyone else away in the playoffs and he got to wait for McDavid to create the big spread in contract value for him to snuggle in under. There was no way Drai was going to sign before McDavid, that would have been just stupid. And there was no way we were going to leave McDavid just hanging trying to convince Drai to sign first, that would have been stupid too.

Worked out in the end. We got 8 years of both of these guys signed for far below their performance was worth.

It's just too damn bad that we wasted almost that ENTIRE TIME with crap management! 1 year left!

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Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 19:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 18:29

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

What was the worst Chia move? Hall for Larson? Doesn't look that bad with hindsight..Reinhart? Holland had Athanaseau..
Chia locked up 97 and 29 to killer deals in their prime years. Drafted Bouchard..

I'm really not trying to praise chirelli here but the ball was on a tee for someone competent to knock it out of the park. Instead we got Holland who tripped over his shoelaces on the way to the plate.


Worst Chiarelli move?
1. Trading a 1st+ for Griffin Reinhart in the strongest draft in living memory. Far worse than trading for Athanasiou
2. Eberle for Strome; followed by Strome for Spooner

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AndersonRules wrote on Thu, 05 September 2024 15:54

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 19:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 18:29

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 12:57

Jay wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 14:03

McDavid97 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2024 11:41

McDavid at 8*15.97 so combined they're 29.97
Bouchard at 10M

Nurse is going to have to be moved at some point or need the cap to explode

Hell yeah! Fantastic signing..unfortunate that old man Holland left them with the Nurse albatross and Bouchard not locked in long term. I still cant decide who did a worse job - Holland or Chiarelli. But moving forward the main thing is that 29 is locked up and 97 will follow.


For all complaints on Holland, Chiarelli was definitely worse. Look no further than the wasted 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Happy that Draisaitl is signed, always wish it could be a little lower, but that's business. I don't see him as one that is going to regress in the immediate future. Crazy to think this is his 2nd 8 year contract with the Oilers, so plus the entry level 3 years he has committed to 19 years of his life being an Oiler. It's great to see and I hope McDavid follows suit.


Chia's stupid need to make moves just for the sake of making moves definitely hurt more. Sadly though, now 5 years of lost drafting with Holland will now be a pain for Bowman. Really need some prospects coming up as the new McDavid/Drai/Bouch deals load the cap. Gonna be really hard to have anything now, since we probably start trading our first round picks every deadline to try to win ASAP.

So crazy how many years of McDrai we wasted already with inept management. Even wasted a conn Smythe performance by a losing team forward, which is really unprecedented in the last bunch of decades. And got a D performance that could have been conn smythe worthy a lot of seasons.

Ugh. Still burns, that first game of the finals where we had to go back to Nurse/Ceci and it so predictably set us up for pain, terrible read from Nurse and Ceci 4 mins into game 1. Fix the D Bowman, lol.

What was the worst Chia move? Hall for Larson? Doesn't look that bad with hindsight..Reinhart? Holland had Athanaseau..
Chia locked up 97 and 29 to killer deals in their prime years. Drafted Bouchard..

I'm really not trying to praise chirelli here but the ball was on a tee for someone competent to knock it out of the park. Instead we got Holland who tripped over his shoelaces on the way to the plate.


Worst Chiarelli move?
1. Trading a 1st+ for Griffin Reinhart in the strongest draft in living memory. Far worse than trading for Athanasiou
2. Eberle for Strome; followed by Strome for Spooner



Reinhart was bad, but Chia just came in and probably had our entire scouting staff pumping up the Edmonton Oil Kings Memorial Cup Captain in his ear the entire lead up to the draft :) Also Chia was the first guy to experience the feeling of guaranteed success that comes from drafting a generation talent. A sweet moment where you feel like you can do no wrong and destiny is on your side. Reality kicked him in the nuts and he just went totally haywire at the end.

Sadly, we hired another GM that seemed to think, even after years of our team struggling, that he could also just do whatever and success would just automatically fall into our lap, like it did for him with endless HHoF players in Detroit. He was close. Best performance by a forward in the playoffs in decades. Destiny called and gave Holland the best 1 player could possibly do as a forward for a playoff run. And pretty close with a D he inherited too! Some guy came last summer and fixed the coaching for Holland too! That new guy also hired a sports psychologist that turned Skinner's game around as well. Amazing stuff. But still wasn't enough.

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