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 NCREDiBLE
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More to come but Friedman reporting we traded for Carrick and Henrique
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NetBOG
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People were complaining about waiving Gagner. Who loses their jobs when these two plugs arrive? Is this really an upgrade? Holland pissing assets away again.
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:40 |
People were complaining about waiving Gagner. Who loses their jobs when these two plugs arrive? Is this really an upgrade? Holland pissing assets away again.
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I was hoping for Toffoli/Buch, Dowd and Terrier.
This is mid for me but it will be nice having a solid third liner.
Still waiting for more details on what we sent out and how much is retained.
Not my first nor second choice of what I wanted but let’s wait and see.
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Henrique is far from a plug. 42 points (18 goals) and +3 on a terrible Ducks team. There are only 5 Oilers who have more points than him this year (only 4 forwards) and only 4 players that have more goals than he does.
I am pretty happy with this pickup and think he will slot in well on one of our top 2 lines.
Carrick, I am pretty impartial to. I definitely don't know much about him or his game to comment one way or the other but as he is not the main piece of the deal I am not going to lose sleep over bringing him in.
I still think an upgrade at RD is more important than at forward and I really hope that this doesn't stop them from doing something on the backend also. Personally I think bringing in a 1b (or even a well established backup) goalie should have been the #1 priority but that ship seemed to sail last week so I will hold out hope for a RD upgrade.
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NetBOG
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A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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Perkele
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This I can agree with. Hearing it is a first round pick and a conditional 5th (becomes a 4th if the Oilers win the cup - so hopefully a 4th) seems a bit crazy to me after seeing what other UFAs are going for. Unfortunately, we have seen the poor negotiating skills of Holland many times before and I fear this is another example of him way over paying for the guy(s) he wanted. That said I am still excited to bring in Henrique and hope he is successful here and costs us a first and a fourth
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I like the adds.
I did not think the Oilers could go into the playoffs with Ryan as their 4th line center. I felt they needed a guy with a little more size, some physical play, who could maybe score the odd goal but was a right shot, win some draws and be on your PK. He can do all those.
Henrique, I like the versatility. He can play center or wing on your 2nd or 3rd line. Wins draws, be on your PK.
Both guys are defensively responsible and makes the Oilers very strong down the middle. For the Top 6, you could have Henrique in the top 6 or you drop him to the 3rd line and bump up McLeod.
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Adam
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| Perkele wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:49 |
Henrique is far from a plug. 42 points (18 goals) and +3 on a terrible Ducks team. There are only 5 Oilers who have more points than him this year (only 4 forwards) and only 4 players that have more goals than he does.
I am pretty happy with this pickup and think he will slot in well on one of our top 2 lines.
Carrick, I am pretty impartial to. I definitely don't know much about him or his game to comment one way or the other but as he is not the main piece of the deal I am not going to lose sleep over bringing him in.
I still think an upgrade at RD is more important than at forward and I really hope that this doesn't stop them from doing something on the backend also. Personally I think bringing in a 1b (or even a well established backup) goalie should have been the #1 priority but that ship seemed to sail last week so I will hold out hope for a RD upgrade.
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I think you have to expect a drop in production for Henrique when he gets here. His usage is going to change significantly. He's got 10 PP points so far this year, and he was playing 18 minutes a night on the first or second line. He's going to bump down the lineup here.
A little center depth is good, and he's a decent player, but it's underwhelming for a 1st round pick.
And Gagner cleared waivers, so that's a positive!
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Perkele
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:07 |
| Perkele wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:49 |
Henrique is far from a plug. 42 points (18 goals) and +3 on a terrible Ducks team. There are only 5 Oilers who have more points than him this year (only 4 forwards) and only 4 players that have more goals than he does.
I am pretty happy with this pickup and think he will slot in well on one of our top 2 lines.
Carrick, I am pretty impartial to. I definitely don't know much about him or his game to comment one way or the other but as he is not the main piece of the deal I am not going to lose sleep over bringing him in.
I still think an upgrade at RD is more important than at forward and I really hope that this doesn't stop them from doing something on the backend also. Personally I think bringing in a 1b (or even a well established backup) goalie should have been the #1 priority but that ship seemed to sail last week so I will hold out hope for a RD upgrade.
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I think you have to expect a drop in production for Henrique when he gets here. His usage is going to change significantly. He's got 10 PP points so far this year, and he was playing 18 minutes a night on the first or second line. He's going to bump down the lineup here.
A little center depth is good, and he's a decent player, but it's underwhelming for a 1st round pick.
And Gagner cleared waivers, so that's a positive!
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Definitely expect his production to drop a bit with the Oilers as he will clearly not be given the minutes or matchups here in Edmonton that he got in Anaheim. That said, I still hope that he will be put on the second line wing and move Kane down to the 3rd line (or ideally out the door before the deadline). As I said, a first was an overpay but I am still excited for the player
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Adam
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| Perkele wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:11 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:07 |
| Perkele wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:49 |
Henrique is far from a plug. 42 points (18 goals) and +3 on a terrible Ducks team. There are only 5 Oilers who have more points than him this year (only 4 forwards) and only 4 players that have more goals than he does.
I am pretty happy with this pickup and think he will slot in well on one of our top 2 lines.
Carrick, I am pretty impartial to. I definitely don't know much about him or his game to comment one way or the other but as he is not the main piece of the deal I am not going to lose sleep over bringing him in.
I still think an upgrade at RD is more important than at forward and I really hope that this doesn't stop them from doing something on the backend also. Personally I think bringing in a 1b (or even a well established backup) goalie should have been the #1 priority but that ship seemed to sail last week so I will hold out hope for a RD upgrade.
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I think you have to expect a drop in production for Henrique when he gets here. His usage is going to change significantly. He's got 10 PP points so far this year, and he was playing 18 minutes a night on the first or second line. He's going to bump down the lineup here.
A little center depth is good, and he's a decent player, but it's underwhelming for a 1st round pick.
And Gagner cleared waivers, so that's a positive!
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Definitely expect his production to drop a bit with the Oilers as he will clearly not be given the minutes or matchups here in Edmonton that he got in Anaheim. That said, I still hope that he will be put on the second line wing and move Kane down to the 3rd line (or ideally out the door before the deadline). As I said, a first was an overpay but I am still excited for the player
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Not sure why we got Carrick. We already have Connor Brown to suck hard as a fourth liner!
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:16 |
Not sure why we got Carrick. We already have Connor Brown to suck hard as a fourth liner!
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Maybe he played defense in junior?
Crazy to think that the Oilers have only lost 3 man games combined from their top 6 D.
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NetBOG
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Spector already out front hauling water for the team trying to explain how a team that is 33-8-1 in the last 3 months has massive holes and some guy with 11 points and 90 PIMS is the answer.
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Adam
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:27 |
Spector already out front hauling water for the team trying to explain how a team that is 33-8-1 in the last 3 months has massive holes and some guy with 11 points and 90 PIMS is the answer.
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We do have holes, but low-scoring fourth line plug wasn't really one of them.
We will have to see if there's any other deals coming. If this is it, well, it's a slight improvement, but Colorado's done better so far and we have to find a way to beat them likely.
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smyth260
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Henrique is 34. He’s not bad, but not exactly a big swing.
Would have rather swung big for Buchnevich or a top 4 RHD. Our 1st rounder was the chip for that. Seems like a big overpay to retain salary for a rental…
Carrick also doesn’t look like much.
https://x.com/JFreshHockey/status/1765444114663829865?s=20
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Hope we are not done.
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Full trade per Seravalli:
To #Oilers: Adam Henrique (75% retained), Sam Carrick, 7th Rd Pick
To #NHLDucks: EDM 2024 1st Rd Pick, Cond. 2025 5th Rd Pick
To #GoBolts: EDM 4th Rd Pick
Cond: 5th becomes 4th in EDM wins the Cup.
Tampa also must send a reserve list player.
Henrique cap hit is 1.46M at 25%.
Edit: Seravalli missed the 50% retention on Carrick so this tweet is not completely correct.
[Updated on: Wed, 06 March 2024 12:55]
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Adam
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:48 |
Full trade per Seravalli:
To #Oilers: Adam Henrique (75% retained), Sam Carrick, 7th Rd Pick
To #NHLDucks: EDM 2024 1st Rd Pick, Cond. 2025 5th Rd Pick
To #GoBolts: EDM 4th Rd Pick
Cond: 5th becomes 4th in EDM wins the Cup.
Tampa also must send a reserve list player.
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There's more yet! We get a goalie playing in some league I've never heard of from Tampa. Consider him just a guy.
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David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Trade details:
To EDM:
Adam Henrique
Sam Carrick
G Ty Taylor
2024 7th RD pick (TB)
To ANA:
2024 1st RD pick (EDM)
2025 5th RD pick (conditional, TB)
To TB:
2025 4th RD pick (conditional)
Ducks retain 50% of Henrique, Carrick deals
Bolts retain 25% of Henrique deal
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RDOilerfan
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:48 |
Full trade per Seravalli:
To #Oilers: Adam Henrique (75% retained), Sam Carrick, 7th Rd Pick
To #NHLDucks: EDM 2024 1st Rd Pick, Cond. 2025 5th Rd Pick
To #GoBolts: EDM 4th Rd Pick
Cond: 5th becomes 4th in EDM wins the Cup.
Tampa also must send a reserve list player.
Henrique cap hit is 1.46M at 25%. Carrick is 850K. Stauffer gives a winky face that there is still room for another move.
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The Ducks also retained 50% on Carrick too so it's only 425K
Oilers got 2 players plus got the Ducks to retain 50% on both guys which makes sense at least to me why they gave up the 1st.
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smyth260
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Dang Seravalli. So they retained on Carrick too.
Wonder if a Ceci upgrade is in the works.
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CrusaderPi
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At least Holland has learned he can be creative with the cap. That's good, right?
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:10 |
At least Holland has learned he can be creative with the cap. That's good, right?
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Might be a collaborative effort with the new GM :)
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Henrique has had a pretty good season on such a crap team.
I think he'll be useful, but not sure he really fills a big need. This is the kind of luxury grab a team like Vegas would get with scam LTIR space when they already have depth everywhere else in the lineup. I think we're still short a top 4 RHD and a goalie.
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Kr55
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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uhh, ok, that's bad. I guess this is it for big moves. With zero cap space that 1st rounder was our piece to try to open space to fill holes.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Adam
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:10 |
At least Holland has learned he can be creative with the cap. That's good, right?
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Just in time for retirement!!!
Or a role with the Columbus Blue Jackets...
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:20 |
Henrique has had a pretty good season on such a crap team.
I think he'll be useful, but not sure he really fills a big need. This is the kind of luxury grab a team like Vegas would get with scam LTIR space when they already have depth everywhere else in the lineup. I think we're still short a top 4 RHD and a goalie.
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I suspect both him and Carrick may improve the Oiler PK substantially.. in addition to Henrique's playmaking and goal scoring
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
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Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:32 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:20 |
Henrique has had a pretty good season on such a crap team.
I think he'll be useful, but not sure he really fills a big need. This is the kind of luxury grab a team like Vegas would get with scam LTIR space when they already have depth everywhere else in the lineup. I think we're still short a top 4 RHD and a goalie.
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I suspect both him and Carrick may improve the Oiler PK substantially..
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I hope we didn't pay a 1st round pick for the PK. Both of those guys have been getting pumped on the PK in Anaheim. Expected GA/60 by the current oilers PK group has been far better. Henrique went 4-5 years without being a regular PKer before he joined the Ducks. This is Carrick's first year playing the PK a lot, and he's seen a lot of goals against.
Don't think our PK issues have been all forward either. D playing huge parts in the breakdowns.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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Better get your drink of choice ready for when he trades the 2025 1st to get another player.
Maybe he will throw in some 2nd round picks as well for good measure.
I like Henrique, his production won't be the same in his new role but hopefully he brings some depth production down the stretch.
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Adam
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:22 |
| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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uhh, ok, that's bad. I guess this is it for big moves. With zero cap space that 1st rounder was our piece to try to open space to fill holes.
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FWIW, I'm not going to lose a minute of sleep over the loss of that draft pick. I wonder a little about the opportunity cost using it for Henrique over other options, but if the season ended today and ignoring all the movement based on playoff position, that's a 25th overall pick. There's a decent chance that Henrique plays more games for the Oilers than that player plays in the NHL.
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smyth260
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Sounds like Gagner is indeed going down to Bakersfield.
#FreeGagner
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:53 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:48 |
Full trade per Seravalli:
To #Oilers: Adam Henrique (75% retained), Sam Carrick, 7th Rd Pick
To #NHLDucks: EDM 2024 1st Rd Pick, Cond. 2025 5th Rd Pick
To #GoBolts: EDM 4th Rd Pick
Cond: 5th becomes 4th in EDM wins the Cup.
Tampa also must send a reserve list player.
Henrique cap hit is 1.46M at 25%. Carrick is 850K. Stauffer gives a winky face that there is still room for another move.
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The Ducks also retained 50% on Carrick too so it's only 425K
Oilers got 2 players plus got the Ducks to retain 50% on both guys which makes sense at least to me why they gave up the 1st.
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Looks like 3 players if you include Ty Taylor. So, is there a possibility that a team is interested taking on Campbell providing Oilers retain a percentage?
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CrusaderPi
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:22 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:22 |
| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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uhh, ok, that's bad. I guess this is it for big moves. With zero cap space that 1st rounder was our piece to try to open space to fill holes.
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FWIW, I'm not going to lose a minute of sleep over the loss of that draft pick. I wonder a little about the opportunity cost using it for Henrique over other options, but if the season ended today and ignoring all the movement based on playoff position, that's a 25th overall pick. There's a decent chance that Henrique plays more games for the Oilers than that player plays in the NHL.
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I don't think we or the GM should be that flippant about draft picks. Yes, they are overvalued, but they do hold some value. Even if the decision is to trade them for immediate help every effort should be made to maximize value. Especially when they have McDavid who should be used to set up a 10-15 year run like Crosby and the Penguins. The use of draft picks as assets under Holland has returned a shockingly small amount of value. To the point where we should be wondering what 3 years from now looks like.
I first for a player who might not move the needle in the playoffs and some bonus 4th line grit doesn't feel like the path to success for me.
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Maybe not physically though, given he could be brought up after the roster cap is lifted? (I'm never 100% clear on this stuff)
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Adam
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:30 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:22 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:22 |
| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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uhh, ok, that's bad. I guess this is it for big moves. With zero cap space that 1st rounder was our piece to try to open space to fill holes.
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FWIW, I'm not going to lose a minute of sleep over the loss of that draft pick. I wonder a little about the opportunity cost using it for Henrique over other options, but if the season ended today and ignoring all the movement based on playoff position, that's a 25th overall pick. There's a decent chance that Henrique plays more games for the Oilers than that player plays in the NHL.
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I don't think we or the GM should be that flippant about draft picks. Yes, they are overvalued, but they do hold some value. Even if the decision is to trade them for immediate help every effort should be made to maximize value. Especially when they have McDavid who should be used to set up a 10-15 year run like Crosby and the Penguins. The use of draft picks as assets under Holland has returned a shockingly small amount of value. To the point where we should be wondering what 3 years from now looks like.
I first for a player who might not move the needle in the playoffs and some bonus 4th line grit doesn't feel like the path to success for me.
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That's where I'm saying that the opportunity cost of moving that pick for an okay upgrade compared to moving that pick for someone who's a true impact player. That's my issue - I think every draft pick and prospect should be up for grabs, but hopefully we can maximize the return on that. I'd be much more excited about Jake Guentzel for that pick than I am for Adam Henrique...
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Adam
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| bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:27 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:53 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 12:48 |
Full trade per Seravalli:
To #Oilers: Adam Henrique (75% retained), Sam Carrick, 7th Rd Pick
To #NHLDucks: EDM 2024 1st Rd Pick, Cond. 2025 5th Rd Pick
To #GoBolts: EDM 4th Rd Pick
Cond: 5th becomes 4th in EDM wins the Cup.
Tampa also must send a reserve list player.
Henrique cap hit is 1.46M at 25%. Carrick is 850K. Stauffer gives a winky face that there is still room for another move.
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The Ducks also retained 50% on Carrick too so it's only 425K
Oilers got 2 players plus got the Ducks to retain 50% on both guys which makes sense at least to me why they gave up the 1st.
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Looks like 3 players if you include Ty Taylor. So, is there a possibility that a team is interested taking on Campbell providing Oilers retain a percentage?
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There is virtually no chance that Ty Taylor ever is seen wearing an Oilers jersey that he doesn't go and buy himself. That's just Tampa dumping a guy who was never in the plans and who will never get a qualifying offer here.
Campbell would be a very tough piece to move, even with retained salary because he's got another 3 years and he's been so, so bad.
I do still hope we get another goalie.
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There you have it gentlemen. Why would anyone have any issue with this deal now?
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 14:22 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 13:22 |
| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 06 March 2024 11:52 |
A first round pick? Lunacy!!
Just a stupid stupid miss use of resources.
Dumb Dumb stupid move.
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uhh, ok, that's bad. I guess this is it for big moves. With zero cap space that 1st rounder was our piece to try to open space to fill holes.
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FWIW, I'm not going to lose a minute of sleep over the loss of that draft pick. I wonder a little about the opportunity cost using it for Henrique over other options, but if the season ended today and ignoring all the movement based on playoff position, that's a 25th overall pick. There's a decent chance that Henrique plays more games for the Oilers than that player plays in the NHL.
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I don't get what happened here. Reporters saying we were trying to push Calgary to take a player to get Tanev and Calgary didn't want to take on salary, but clearly the Lames were willing to retain 50% to move Tanev. Henrique has more cap hit than Tanev, and we bent around to get 75% retained for him by giving up some extra assets to Tampa to get the extra 25%.
We didn't have to force a player on the Ducks to do this (more likely we could have, unlike a trade with the Lames).
Why did we insist on trying to make Calgary take cap to get Tanev? Yet with the Ducks, who have loads of cap space, we bend around and give up our 1st so we don't have to unload any cap space?
Maybe the Ducks GM was the one that presented this whole retain idea to Holland to shake us down for a 1st? Perhaps the 75% option using a 3rd team never entered the conversation with the Lames.
I'd 100% do a good prospect + 1st to the Lames for Tanev with the same 75% retain deal over this trade.
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There you have it gentlemen. Why would anyone have any issue with this deal now?
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FWIW lots of Ducks fans happy that those two were going to a contender. Said they are both heart & soul guys who played their asses off, even though they were on a crap team. Said they were huge losses for the Ducks.
Sounds to me like the kind of players you'd want for a long playoff run. Still pissed that we couldn't land Tanev, but I wonder if these two guys might end up being more valuable in a tough playoff series than a more "flashy" player like a Tarasenko or Guentzel
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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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FWIW... Stauffer was talking to Brian Lawton yesterday (who's opinion I respect a lot) .. Stauffer asked him point blank what he thought of a 1st, and 2 x 4ths for Henrique and Carrick.. at 75% retention on Henrique.. Lawton replied "Hard No" .. said a 1st was too much.. he said 4 to 5 days out from the deadline that the price spikes.. then softens.. said he'd be surprised if Holland bit on it.
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