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 inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
2 Cups
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Entertainment value 12. Goaltending 0.
Pull the trigger Kenny. Wasting a season.
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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I can’t believe the garbage the Bolts got away with.
Full on bush league
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
2 Cups
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Great game, Bad result.
D let Smith down but letting guys score from 2 feet twice. Oh and by scoring on him.
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watchman
Messages: 1422
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
1 Cup
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 23 February 2022 20:16 |
Great game, Bad result.
D let Smith down but letting guys score from 2 feet twice. Oh and by scoring on him.
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...still, it was a pretty weak shot by SHORE. 
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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watchman
Messages: 1422
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
1 Cup
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8 goals on his last 22 shots! Defend that...
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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| watchman wrote on Wed, 23 February 2022 20:26 |
8 goals on his last 22 shots! Defend that...
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Yeah, double deflections and your own players skate are indefensible.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Oilfann
Messages: 72
Registered: December 2021
Location: Ontario
No Cups
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| watchman wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 03:26 |
8 goals on his last 22 shots! Defend that...
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I could defend the goalies like i have on this goal or that goal saying this was tipped or 2 on one etc. But tending is I believe the worst in the league. Only so many excuses can be made. We need a new goalie. Smith and Koski need to go. We need a #1 and Skinner as the back up IMO. Holland will probably go get Korpisalo who is Koski 2.0 or maybe slightly worse.
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CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
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Now that he’s had his two game warm up you have to start the Battler again vs. Florida
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Kr55
Messages: 10779
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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#FireWoodcroft
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 23 February 2022 20:55 |
Now that he’s had his two game warm up you have to start the Battler again vs. Florida
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No no no no
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
1 Cup
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 05:12 |
Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
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By a lot. It's not even close IMO.
Holland should pay whatever it costs to get someone like Varlamov from the Isles for Koskinen plus whoever. He's the right age, has been great everywhere he has played and has a year left after this one, so not just a rental. Then "retire" Smith.
I would be comfortable going in to the playoffs (assuming we make it) with a Varlamov/Skinner tandem.
I just don't see many other solid options from teams out of the playoff picture.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 06:29 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 05:12 |
Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
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By a lot. It's not even close IMO.
Holland should pay whatever it costs to get someone like Varlamov from the Isles for Koskinen plus whoever. He's the right age, has been great everywhere he has played and has a year left after this one, so not just a rental. Then "retire" Smith.
I would be comfortable going in to the playoffs (assuming we make it) with a Varlamov/Skinner tandem.
I just don't see many other solid options from teams out of the playoff picture.
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Half those goals going past Smith last night ar eones you might give a pass to in th eoccasional game.. but goals like that are becoming routine.. demoralizes a team the longer it goes on.. since his return from injury there is nothing in Smith's game that inspires confidence... collapses into his net as a default.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
1 Cup
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 11:51 |
| Mike wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 06:29 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 05:12 |
Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
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By a lot. It's not even close IMO.
Holland should pay whatever it costs to get someone like Varlamov from the Isles for Koskinen plus whoever. He's the right age, has been great everywhere he has played and has a year left after this one, so not just a rental. Then "retire" Smith.
I would be comfortable going in to the playoffs (assuming we make it) with a Varlamov/Skinner tandem.
I just don't see many other solid options from teams out of the playoff picture.
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Half those goals going past Smith last night ar eones you might give a pass to in th eoccasional game.. but goals like that are becoming routine.. demoralizes a team the longer it goes on.. since his return from injury there is nothing in Smith's game that inspires confidence... collapses into his net as a default.
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Yeah, in a vacuum, a lot of those goals weren't terrible, but the fact is in 13 starts he has 7 in which he let in 4 or more and finished under .900 (including .429 and .818 in the last 2). It's not the exception at this point. We are going nowhere with those 2.
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 09:11 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 11:51 |
| Mike wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 06:29 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 05:12 |
Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
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By a lot. It's not even close IMO.
Holland should pay whatever it costs to get someone like Varlamov from the Isles for Koskinen plus whoever. He's the right age, has been great everywhere he has played and has a year left after this one, so not just a rental. Then "retire" Smith.
I would be comfortable going in to the playoffs (assuming we make it) with a Varlamov/Skinner tandem.
I just don't see many other solid options from teams out of the playoff picture.
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Half those goals going past Smith last night ar eones you might give a pass to in th eoccasional game.. but goals like that are becoming routine.. demoralizes a team the longer it goes on.. since his return from injury there is nothing in Smith's game that inspires confidence... collapses into his net as a default.
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Yeah, in a vacuum, a lot of those goals weren't terrible, but the fact is in 13 starts he has 7 in which he let in 4 or more and finished under .900 (including .429 and .818 in the last 2). It's not the exception at this point. We are going nowhere with those 2.
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I don't think Koskinen should be dismissed because Smith has underperformed this year. Koskinen has been pretty good when utilized as a back up with an appropriate amount of playing time.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 766
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
No Cups
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Koski stats for 2021
games played 28
games started 26
wins 17
losses 8
OT loss 2
saves 839 (about 30 shots per game)
goals against 85
GAA 3.13
Save % .899
not exactly inspiring confidence himself.
Average save % is .913 this year
average GAA is 2.84
Koskinen has won games because we can outscore opponents. Not because he has been good.
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 10:31 |
Koski stats for 2021
games played 28
games started 26
wins 17
losses 8
OT loss 2
saves 839 (about 30 shots per game)
goals against 85
GAA 3.13
Save % .899
not exactly inspiring confidence himself.
Average save % is .913 this year
average GAA is 2.84
Koskinen has won games because we can outscore opponents. Not because he has been good.
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Eye test man. Of course I could be wrong because I haven't bothered to look at his game log. But I felt he played pretty well for the first half dozen games after Smith got hurt the first time. Then the coach overplayed him and Koskinen went into a steep decline. Everyone in the organization seemed to get made at Koskinen for not being a full time starter with no backup so Tippett put him on the shelf and didn't play him for, ah hell, I'm going to look up games.
Game and Save %
Oct 19 - .952 (relief)
Oct 21 - .964
Oct 22 - .923
Oct 27 - .879
Oct 30 - .967
Nov 01 - .931
Nov 03 - .939
Nov 05 - .800
Nov 11 - .897
Nov 14 - .897
Nov 16 - .846
Nov 24 - .889
Nov 27 - .947
Dec 01 - .941
Dec 05 - .875
Dec 07 - .846
Dec 11 - .903
Dec 14 - .800
Jan 01 - .897 (relief)
Jan 03 - .857
Jan 20 - .786
Jan 22 - .936
Jan 25 - .926
Jan 27 - .933
Jan 31 - .903
Feb 02 - .889
Feb 19 - .917
Feb 20 - .800 (relief)
To me that shows a strong start and a steep decline around his 11th(!) consecutive game. Then when Smith came back (plus covid) and he played two games in 5 weeks, one in relief. He struggled in limited action. Starting Jan 20, he started to play more, but not all the time, and has been pretty good. I'm not saying he should start or be re-signed, but he should have been used better and hasn't been awful.
I'd let Skinnnnnnner season in Bako, he's there if we need him. Koskinen should be able to perform as a 40% backup behind a healthy starter.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 07:29 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 05:12 |
Skinner looking like the best bet of the bunch..
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By a lot. It's not even close IMO.
Holland should pay whatever it costs to get someone like Varlamov from the Isles for Koskinen plus whoever. He's the right age, has been great everywhere he has played and has a year left after this one, so not just a rental.
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Would you include Bison King?
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 23 February 2022 20:55 |
Now that he’s had his two game warm up you have to start the Battler again vs. Florida
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Precisely. You just can't tromp those old carbureted big blocks to the floor off the start. They will sputter and pop. You need to feather the throttle a bit when you spring the clutch.
Schmiddy can't just turn the battle dial to 11 off the hop. Last night was 6.7. Stay patient Oilfans. This is a process. A part of the process of "Schmiddy Rising". The answers are in that room, just like Dutchie stated.
Step in line you fickle effers.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 766
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
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He'll be better in year two. It's a contract year after all.
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Kr55
Messages: 10779
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 13:47 |
He'll be better in year two. It's a contract year after all.
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Smith didn't sign here just to see what would happen in year 1. He was so excited about what we were building he was happy to accept our offer of a 2nd year, and maybe even beyond!
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 10:48 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 10:31 |
Koski stats for 2021
games played 28
games started 26
wins 17
losses 8
OT loss 2
saves 839 (about 30 shots per game)
goals against 85
GAA 3.13
Save % .899
not exactly inspiring confidence himself.
Average save % is .913 this year
average GAA is 2.84
Koskinen has won games because we can outscore opponents. Not because he has been good.
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Eye test man. Of course I could be wrong because I haven't bothered to look at his game log. But I felt he played pretty well for the first half dozen games after Smith got hurt the first time. Then the coach overplayed him and Koskinen went into a steep decline. Everyone in the organization seemed to get made at Koskinen for not being a full time starter with no backup so Tippett put him on the shelf and didn't play him for, ah hell, I'm going to look up games.
Game and Save %
Oct 19 - .952 (relief)
Oct 21 - .964
Oct 22 - .923
Oct 27 - .879
Oct 30 - .967
Nov 01 - .931
Nov 03 - .939
Nov 05 - .800
Nov 11 - .897
Nov 14 - .897
Nov 16 - .846
Nov 24 - .889
Nov 27 - .947
Dec 01 - .941
Dec 05 - .875
Dec 07 - .846
Dec 11 - .903
Dec 14 - .800
Jan 01 - .897 (relief)
Jan 03 - .857
Jan 20 - .786
Jan 22 - .936
Jan 25 - .926
Jan 27 - .933
Jan 31 - .903
Feb 02 - .889
Feb 19 - .917
Feb 20 - .800 (relief)
To me that shows a strong start and a steep decline around his 11th(!) consecutive game. Then when Smith came back (plus covid) and he played two games in 5 weeks, one in relief. He struggled in limited action. Starting Jan 20, he started to play more, but not all the time, and has been pretty good. I'm not saying he should start or be re-signed, but he should have been used better and hasn't been awful.
I'd let Skinnnnnnner season in Bako, he's there if we need him. Koskinen should be able to perform as a 40% backup behind a healthy starter.
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It’s funny, on a hypothetical well-run team where he’s paid back up money and playing behind a starter, Koski could have been a really good second option for back to back games or the odd night off for the number one guy. Even an attractive trade piece. Unfortunately we live in Edmonton.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 February 2022 16:45 |
It’s funny, on a hypothetical well-run team where he’s paid back up money and playing behind a starter, Koski could have been a really good second option for back to back games or the odd night off for the number one guy. Even an attractive trade piece. Unfortunately we live in Edmonton.
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Imagine a Markstrom / Markstrom / Koskinen / Markstrom / Koskinen rotation.
Kuemper? Fluery? Ulmark? Driedger? Anderson? Reimer? The were options.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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