| Review:
Edmonton @ NY Islanders (Game #36) [message #796705] |
Sat, 01 January 2022 14:30  |
|
|
|
|
LOL
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014
|
|
|
|
 |
 CrusaderPi
Messages: 7803
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
|
|
I hope the team walks by the Isle’s dressing room on the way out and notice how hard the other team had to work in a win.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
|
|
|
|
 |
Adam
Messages: 7174
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
So has Babcock been spotted in Edmonton yet?
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
 |
K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
2 Cups
|
|
Well, pretty easy to tell which team wanted this more in that 3rd.
OT was a clear demonstration of why you manage LD's minutes in regulation. Honestly, with LD obviously gassed the coach may have recognized and had a less skilled but still more effective option.
Can't complain about goaltending with rare glimpses of sustained effort in front of him. This team has maybe had 2 games that you might label as complete efforts all year.
Not sure where they go from here, it's another skid.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Adam wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 14:41 |
So has Babcock been spotted in Edmonton yet?
|
Babcock would beat the lazy out of this group, but I’m still a hard no on that prick.
Bring on Woodcroft my dudes!
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014
|
|
|
|
 |
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
When Shore finishes with higher ice time than Puljujarvi and Hyman you deserve to lose the game.
Fire Tippett
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
 |
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
Hey at least they’re not the bluejackets
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
|
|
[Updated on: Sat, 01 January 2022 15:12]
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
|
|
|
|
|
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
I’d get on the “fire Tippett” train but as Pi said in the other thread it won’t fix things. Team needs a miracle trade to offload salary and bring in talent. Holland doesn’t have the skill to fleece somebody so that means mortgaging the future.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
|
Adam
Messages: 7174
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| CrudeRemarks wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 15:14 |
I’d get on the “fire Tippett” train but as Pi said in the other thread it won’t fix things. Team needs a miracle trade to offload salary and bring in talent. Holland doesn’t have the skill to fleece somebody so that means mortgaging the future.
|
The counter point is that they're going to give Holland a coaching change at some point as a free pass. If we get that over with now, then it's one less bullet left in his gun. The problem is that the Oilers aren't going to do wholesale changes at season's end - it's not in the franchise's DNA to actually address problems - so get the obvious first move out of the way.
It's likely to be Babcock, because all of them (Holland, Lowe, Nicholson) have lots of history with him, they probably think an old school guy like that needs a second chance and got a raw deal in Toronto, and they almost always defer to big name that happens to be available. They'll rightly get roasted for doing it but they'll think it's making the tough choices and all the Edmonton sports guys who currently are working double time defending Holland and Tippett will jump on board immediately. They'll talk up how much he's a "proven winner" and he'll "hold the players accountable."
That feels inevitable, so why wait for summer to hire him?
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
|
|
|
|
|
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
| Adam wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 16:36 |
| CrudeRemarks wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 15:14 |
I’d get on the “fire Tippett” train but as Pi said in the other thread it won’t fix things. Team needs a miracle trade to offload salary and bring in talent. Holland doesn’t have the skill to fleece somebody so that means mortgaging the future.
|
The counter point is that they're going to give Holland a coaching change at some point as a free pass. If we get that over with now, then it's one less bullet left in his gun. The problem is that the Oilers aren't going to do wholesale changes at season's end - it's not in the franchise's DNA to actually address problems - so get the obvious first move out of the way.
It's likely to be Babcock, because all of them (Holland, Lowe, Nicholson) have lots of history with him, they probably think an old school guy like that needs a second chance and got a raw deal in Toronto, and they almost always defer to big name that happens to be available. They'll rightly get roasted for doing it but they'll think it's making the tough choices and all the Edmonton sports guys who currently are working double time defending Holland and Tippett will jump on board immediately. They'll talk up how much he's a "proven winner" and he'll "hold the players accountable."
That feels inevitable, so why wait for summer to hire him?
|
Because if they wait till summer they don’t have to fire Tippett as his contract expires at the end of this season.
I’d rather see a return of MacT.
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
NetBOG
Messages: 2948
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
2 Cups
|
|
No PPs again. That makes it one PP in 11 periods, and that was for using your hand on a face-off. Opponents sure playing the Oilers clean. No in-play infractions in 225+ minutes. Thats some serious discipline across 4 teams and 14 days.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| NetBOG wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 15:51 |
No PPs again. That makes it one PP in 11 periods, and that was for using your hand on a face-off. Opponents sure playing the Oilers clean. No in-play infractions in 225+ minutes. Thats some serious discipline across 4 teams and 14 days.
|
To be fair, they haven’t worked hard enough to draw penalties.
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014
|
|
|
|
 |
Kr55
Messages: 10769
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
What? This was on in the afternoon?
Guess I didn't have to watch because I already predicted the exact score anyways.
When Nurse/Smith/Pulju are back we will be good again.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
 |
stemhovlichski
Messages: 349
Registered: March 2006
Location: NSR
No Cups
|
|
| Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 15:43 |
I’d rather see a return of MacT.
|
Don't even joke about it. Or mention it. Or type it. Or think about it.
*shudder*
Restored: "We're sucking hind banana here." - Pat Quinn, Jan 18, 2010
"...the Oilers have been rebuilding for so long that it’s hard not to be cynical." - NBC's Ryan Dadoun Jan 2, 2015
|
|
|
|
NetBOG
Messages: 2948
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
2 Cups
|
|
Athletic saying Nuge is on his way home and will likely miss the last 2 games of the road trip.
Smith day to dat.
|
|
|
|
|
stemhovlichski
Messages: 349
Registered: March 2006
Location: NSR
No Cups
|
|
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 16:01 |
What? This was on in the afternoon?
Guess I didn't have to watch because I already predicted the exact score anyways.
When Nurse/Smith/Pulju are back we will be good again.
|
Funny how they won with Tippett gone and the lineup a mess. Just sayin'.
Restored: "We're sucking hind banana here." - Pat Quinn, Jan 18, 2010
"...the Oilers have been rebuilding for so long that it’s hard not to be cynical." - NBC's Ryan Dadoun Jan 2, 2015
|
|
|
|
 |
PlusOne
Messages: 1594
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask
1 Cup
|
|
| NetBOG wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 17:39 |
Athletic saying Nuge is on his way home and will likely miss the last 2 games of the road trip.
Smith day to dat.
|
I believe they mentioned on the broadcast that RNH was going on IR
Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on
| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21 |
und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CrusaderPi
Messages: 7803
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
|
|
Bobby Nicks gets two GMs and each GM gets two coaches and we get to watch the franchise get frustrated before inevitably…
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
|
|
|
|
|
Oscargasm
Messages: 5911
Registered: May 2009
Location: YEG
5 Cups
|
|
| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 18:47 |
Bobby Nicks gets two GMs and each GM gets two coaches and we get to watch the franchise get frustrated before inevitably…
|
The real question on everyone’s mind.. will Bobby Nicks get a second Connor?!
Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10769
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 17:47 |
Bobby Nicks gets two GMs and each GM gets two coaches and we get to watch the franchise get frustrated before inevitably…
|
Almost got interested in the OIlers again reading this. Thought you were saying Holland was on to hiring coach #2.
Bummer
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
 |
jerekybeef
Messages: 53
Registered: July 2006
Location: Kamloops
No Cups
|
|
Bring in Maurice. Which I can actually see as helping. The roster is weak. So is Vancouver’s, but they have significantly improved following a coaching change. Tippett was never going to be the answer. He’s not a good fit for the modern day game.
"Make the Oilers great again" - Donny Tramp
|
|
|
|
 |
Skookum Jim
Messages: 4418
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
|
|
| Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:51 |
When Shore finishes with higher ice time than Puljujarvi and Hyman you deserve to lose the game.
Fire Tippett
|
Shore was a like playing LD and Yamo a man short.. brutal choice.
I feel so bad for David, guy is working his ass off every shift and he's playing with plugs all around him, no skill, no finish.. this team is so far away.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
|
|
|
|
 |
HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
No Cups
|
|
I see the Canucks as having a much deeper roster than the Oil, and we're seeing it now.
I thought Van was going to have a good season prior to the start, was shocked when they started the way they did... and now we see what they are capable of.
The Oil look like gaaaaarrrrbbbaggeeee right now.
|
|
|
|
|
HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
No Cups
|
|
That's the biggest issue. If you're just going for a leisurely skate, you're not playing hard enough to get them.
|
|
|
|
 |
Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver
1 Cup
|
|
| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 20:19 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:51 |
When Shore finishes with higher ice time than Puljujarvi and Hyman you deserve to lose the game.
Fire Tippett
|
Shore was a like playing LD and Yamo a man short.. brutal choice.
I feel so bad for David, guy is working his ass off every shift and he's playing with plugs all around him, no skill, no finish.. this team is so far away.
|
Shore had the 5th most minutes among forwards (4th most 5x5, more than Hyman & Puljujarvi). It's just not a recipe for success. Tippett is just completely out of ideas. Ryan Mcleod has had a good couple of games and he's playing 9 minutes a night. Played the fewest 5x5 minutes of anyone against the Islanders.
Seems like Tippett's only strategy is to play McDavid and Drai 25 minutes a night and Nurse 30min and then bump Shore up the lineup because he's a good soldier, or whatever.
I get that the lack of PP is frustrating, but the Oilers are now -10 in 5x5 goal differential. That's awful.
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
|
|
|
|
|
Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver
1 Cup
|
|
| K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:43 |
Well, pretty easy to tell which team wanted this more in that 3rd.
OT was a clear demonstration of why you manage LD's minutes in regulation. Honestly, with LD obviously gassed the coach may have recognized and had a less skilled but still more effective option.
|
You would think that a coach might recognize that there may be some correlation between a team that boasts McDavid and Draisaitl getting outshot 16-2 in the 3rd period and OT after playing those two 28 and 24+ minutes the day before. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
|
|
|
|
|
Skookum Jim
Messages: 4418
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
4 Cups
|
|
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 10:25 |
.. Shore had the 5th most minutes among forwards (4th most 5x5, more than Hyman & Puljujarvi). It's just not a recipe for success. Tippett is just completely out of ideas...
|
Yeah that makes no sense.. Shore playing 2nd line minutes is just dumb, you're playing LD's line a man short for the entire game. "Balancing the lines" is a failed plan. You need your most talented players to have talent to play with otherwise you are negating their talent. Of all the guys to replace RNH.. one of the last choices should have been D. Shore.. guy can barely keep up.
Like you said, McLeod would have been effective, but I'd even add in Foogler as an option.
Actually;
Mcleod McDavid JP
Hyman LD Yamo
Would have been preferred.. then just play the hell out of those 2 lines. Make the bottom 6 dump and chase all night.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
|
|
|
|
|
Kr55
Messages: 10769
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
|
|
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 11:44 |
| K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:43 |
Well, pretty easy to tell which team wanted this more in that 3rd.
OT was a clear demonstration of why you manage LD's minutes in regulation. Honestly, with LD obviously gassed the coach may have recognized and had a less skilled but still more effective option.
|
You would think that a coach might recognize that there may be some correlation between a team that boasts McDavid and Draisaitl getting outshot 16-2 in the 3rd period and OT after playing those two 28 and 24+ minutes the day before. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.
|
Maybe we would have won if we played NUrse 35 minutes instead of just 30.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
|
|
|
|
|
K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
2 Cups
|
|
| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 14:51 |
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 10:25 |
.. Shore had the 5th most minutes among forwards (4th most 5x5, more than Hyman & Puljujarvi). It's just not a recipe for success. Tippett is just completely out of ideas...
|
Yeah that makes no sense.. Shore playing 2nd line minutes is just dumb, you're playing LD's line a man short for the entire game. "Balancing the lines" is a failed plan. You need your most talented players to have talent to play with otherwise you are negating their talent. Of all the guys to replace RNH.. one of the last choices should have been D. Shore.. guy can barely keep up.
Like you said, McLeod would have been effective, but I'd even add in Foogler as an option.
Actually;
Mcleod McDavid JP
Hyman LD Yamo
Would have been preferred.. then just play the hell out of those 2 lines. Make the bottom 6 dump and chase all night.
|
Yeah I wouldn't mind Shore playing 4th line center and McLeod up on either of the top 2 lines. I'd like to see McLeod with McDavid for the hellery of it.
As far as playing the hell out of guys, I'd like a 20-21 minute ceiling on Leon Draisaitl. Especially when there are no PP minutes to speak of. The returns diminish significantly late in the 3rd and in OT if his tank is empty. We've seen it time and time again.
|
|
|
|
|
Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver
1 Cup
|
|
| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 15:43 |
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 11:44 |
| K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:43 |
Well, pretty easy to tell which team wanted this more in that 3rd.
OT was a clear demonstration of why you manage LD's minutes in regulation. Honestly, with LD obviously gassed the coach may have recognized and had a less skilled but still more effective option.
|
You would think that a coach might recognize that there may be some correlation between a team that boasts McDavid and Draisaitl getting outshot 16-2 in the 3rd period and OT after playing those two 28 and 24+ minutes the day before. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.
|
Maybe we would have won if we played NUrse 35 minutes instead of just 30.
|
I mean, heck, he played 60 min in the 3OT game in the playoffs, including a shift of nearly 5 min. Why not just leave him out there for a full game and see what happens.
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
|
|
|
|
|
CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
1 Cup
|
|
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 18:17 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 15:43 |
| Goose wrote on Sun, 02 January 2022 11:44 |
| K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 13:43 |
Well, pretty easy to tell which team wanted this more in that 3rd.
OT was a clear demonstration of why you manage LD's minutes in regulation. Honestly, with LD obviously gassed the coach may have recognized and had a less skilled but still more effective option.
|
You would think that a coach might recognize that there may be some correlation between a team that boasts McDavid and Draisaitl getting outshot 16-2 in the 3rd period and OT after playing those two 28 and 24+ minutes the day before. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.
|
Maybe we would have won if we played NUrse 35 minutes instead of just 30.
|
I mean, heck, he played 60 min in the 3OT game in the playoffs, including a shift of nearly 5 min. Why not just leave him out there for a full game and see what happens.
|
depth problems solved! maybe the cap ones too
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
|
|
|
|
Trueblue26
Messages: 1
Registered: July 2005
Location: Edmonton
No Cups
|
|
| stemhovlichski wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 16:43 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 01 January 2022 16:01 |
What? This was on in the afternoon?
Guess I didn't have to watch because I already predicted the exact score anyways.
When Nurse/Smith/Pulju are back we will be good again.
|
Funny how they won with Tippett gone and the lineup a mess. Just sayin'.
|
I agree. Tippett is the real problem here.
The Oilers are a good team. They have talent and are built for offense.
He is just brutal. Gulutzan or Woodcroft taking over would be so much better IMO.
[Updated on: Mon, 03 January 2022 00:18]
|
|
|
|
