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Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762362]	Wed, 24 June 2020 14:43

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I’ve been to every Jersey retirement night and framed the tickets with a mini banner. To this point I’ve been to more retirement games than Lowe, who ducked out of the Messier retirement ceremony because he wasn’t brave enough to face the crowd after he traded Smytty earlier in the day. Now me and Lowe will be tied. I won’t be at that game.

Congrats to Kenny though. Well deserved.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762367 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 15:19

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Wow it actually happened. Speak of the devil huh?

Congratulations Kevin?

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762369 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 15:26

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I'm literally stunned.

Looking at the list of players on the outside looking in, it's shocking that someone like Lowe is inducted. I didn't, and still don't, think he is a players worthy of HHOF or number retirement.

The only thing I can really think of is that with the induction of Carbonneau last year and Lowe this year, that the selection committee is placing a greater emphasis on defensive specialists. Does that open the doors for guys like Jere Lehtinen, Mike Peca, Adam Foote, Glen Wesley, etc.? Probably locks in sub-1000 point players like Patrice Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, and Jonathan Toews.

Anyways, the argument I had against retiring his jersey is gone I guess (HHOF requirement), so it's going to happen, and it won't be enjoyable to watch or look at.

One positive: I guess Hamilton's number won't look so out of place now though.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762376 is a reply to message #762369 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 15:52

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:26

I'm literally stunned.

Looking at the list of players on the outside looking in, it's shocking that someone like Lowe is inducted. I didn't, and still don't, think he is a players worthy of HHOF or number retirement.

The only thing I can really think of is that with the induction of Carbonneau last year and Lowe this year, that the selection committee is placing a greater emphasis on defensive specialists. Does that open the doors for guys like Jere Lehtinen, Mike Peca, Adam Foote, Glen Wesley, etc.? Probably locks in sub-1000 point players like Patrice Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, and Jonathan Toews.

Anyways, the argument I had against retiring his jersey is gone I guess (HHOF requirement), so it's going to happen, and it won't be enjoyable to watch or look at.

One positive: I guess Hamilton's number won't look so out of place now though.

The other silver lining? We'll pretty much HAVE to trade Russell away now. Need that jersey back pronto!

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762383 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

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The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762386 is a reply to message #762383 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 16:12

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Other than team success, what drives the case to have Lowe admitted to the Hall? That's what I don't get. Not great points, not exactly air-tight defensively always - the Oilers allowed a LOT of goals against, and Huddy/Coffey were better for +/-. He had some toughness, but lots of players have that.

I saw arguments about leadership and culture building but the team had Gretzky and Messier. We see so many comments about Mess as the greatest leader ever, and Messier says Gretzky was the best leader he ever played with. How critical is Lowe then?

I don't get it - other than he's got buddies on the selection committee.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762395 is a reply to message #762386 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 16:36

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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 18:12

Other than team success, what drives the case to have Lowe admitted to the Hall? That's what I don't get. Not great points, not exactly air-tight defensively always - the Oilers allowed a LOT of goals against, and Huddy/Coffey were better for +/-. He had some toughness, but lots of players have that.

I saw arguments about leadership and culture building but the team had Gretzky and Messier. We see so many comments about Mess as the greatest leader ever, and Messier says Gretzky was the best leader he ever played with. How critical is Lowe then?

I don't get it - other than he's got buddies on the selection committee.

Lowe was the narrator for The Boys on the Bus. That has to be a big argument in his favour.

Also, now I think there is a great case for Huddy to get the call. Too bad no one like +/- as a stat anymore.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762398 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

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Next HHOF Oiler Push[ 22 vote(s) ]

1. Charlie Huddy 4 / 18%
2. Andy Moog 4 / 18%
3. Steve Smith 0 / 0%
4. Esa Tikkanen 4 / 18%
5. Dave Semenko 0 / 0%
6. Kelly Buchberger 0 / 0%
7. Craig MacTavish 3 / 14%
8. Ryan Smyth* 7 / 32%

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762399 is a reply to message #762398 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 16:54

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762402 is a reply to message #762398 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762403 is a reply to message #762399 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:03

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:54

McDavid.

Weight (because he gets the US tie-breaker)

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762404 is a reply to message #762403 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:04

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:54

McDavid.

Weight (because he gets the US tie-breaker)

I'm not against this if only because it'll force the Oilers to acknowledge a time after 1992.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762405 is a reply to message #762398 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:04

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Why not Strudwick? At least he’s likeable.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762406 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:05

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As a player it's deserved, 6 rings top 2 and 4 D throughout his career, captained. He is a hall of famer.

As an executive? He's been terrible, boorish, and grossly incompetent and YET he still has a job with the Oilers...... but but BUT you know he doesn't have a hand in day to day hockey operations... SUUUURE KLowe... sure.

As a player, yep, Hall of Famer!

Executive, he's the worst of the worse... like almost worst as Milbury bad. However he did pull those trades in 06... which ranks up high with me... everything else... blech...

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762412 is a reply to message #762406 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:19

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:05

As a player it's deserved, 6 rings top 2 and 4 D throughout his career, captained. He is a hall of famer.

As an executive? He's been terrible, boorish, and grossly incompetent and YET he still has a job with the Oilers...... but but BUT you know he doesn't have a hand in day to day hockey operations... SUUUURE KLowe... sure.

As a player, yep, Hall of Famer!

Executive, he's the worst of the worse... like almost worst as Milbury bad. However he did pull those trades in 06... which ranks up high with me... everything else... blech...

If every player who has no statistical reason to be in the HOF gets in then this makes perfect sense

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762415 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:33

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Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762416 is a reply to message #762415 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:34

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:33

Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.

Haha

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762418 is a reply to message #762383 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:39

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes

Here's the committee that voted:

https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indselect.shtml

Makes it easier to see why Lowe got in:

Kurri - former Oiler teammate
Gartner - former Ranger teammate
Davidson - buddy of Gretzky
Robitaille - buddy of Gretzky
Clarke - some Team Canada cross-over I believe
Francis - peer, Team Canada cross-over?
Larionov - peer, friend of Gretzky
Hedberg - peer
Mike Murphy - assistant coach of the Rangers for some of Lowe's time there
Burke - good friend of Lowe's pre-Penner, and then patched up things after death of his son

It really is about who you know...

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762421 is a reply to message #762402 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 17:49

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.

Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762422 is a reply to message #762421 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 18:01

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:49

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.

Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

How many members of the 1984 Cup winning team do they bring back for the celebration of Lowe's number retirement? There's a gap in the schedule since next year is the 35th anniversary of the Smith own-goal, and the 30th anniversary of the 1991 last hurrah team that fell to the North Stars, so not a lot of reasons to assemble the troops next year other than Lowe's party...unless maybe the 40th anniversary of upsetting the Habs in the first round is a big enough deal...

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762427 is a reply to message #762418 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 18:18

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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:39

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes

Here's the committee that voted:

https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indselect.shtml

Makes it easier to see why Lowe got in:

Kurri - former Oiler teammate
Gartner - former Ranger teammate
Davidson - buddy of Gretzky
Robitaille - buddy of Gretzky
Clarke - some Team Canada cross-over I believe
Francis - peer, Team Canada cross-over?
Larionov - peer, friend of Gretzky
Hedberg - peer
Mike Murphy - assistant coach of the Rangers for some of Lowe's time there
Burke - good friend of Lowe's pre-Penner, and then patched up things after death of his son

It really is about who you know...

6 cups without winning one for MOntreal!!!!! Do you know how many guys can say that?!?!?

Really though. If a loser like Wilson can get in, this was a no brainer.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762437 is a reply to message #762427 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 18:34

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The only thing I like about this it that it pisses on the flames parade about Iggy getting in icon_lol

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But I really hope they don't retire #4, good number just hopefully not on kris Russell soon

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762444 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 19:11

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Barf.

Here we go for another 2 years of celebration.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762450 is a reply to message #762362 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 20:35

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Awesome!

Soon to be hanging No.4 in the rafters!

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762451 is a reply to message #762398 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762453 is a reply to message #762451 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !

Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762459 is a reply to message #762398 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 21:44

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

I voted Esa, but really I think we're done until we Win something again.

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Kevin Lowe: 1254 GP, 84 G, 348A, 432P, 6 Stanley Cups
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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762466 is a reply to message #762450 ]	Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

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Should Lowe be in the HHOF?[ 28 vote(s) ]

1. Yes 12 / 43%
2. No 16 / 57%

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762472 is a reply to message #762453 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 01:35

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !

Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I saw Cujo's named mentioned in the potentials for this years HHOF draft, I'd much rather he go in than Weight.

I think some of the reason as to why we don't celebrate that era is that due to the financial constraints we were under and coming off the back of the dynasty all our better players left. This was mainly due to wanting more money, and it left us supporting those that were like us the fans loyal to the club and we can't say that Smytty wasn't loyal at that point.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762474 is a reply to message #762466 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 06:27

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Part of 6 Stanley Cup teams and identified as a key guy on all of them. 7 All-stars appearances, member of a Canada Cup team. Seems like an Hall worthy resume to me. I think there is guys in there with worse resumes that Lowe's.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762476 is a reply to message #762472 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 08:51

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Leia wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 01:35

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !

Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I saw Cujo's named mentioned in the potentials for this years HHOF draft, I'd much rather he go in than Weight.

I think some of the reason as to why we don't celebrate that era is that due to the financial constraints we were under and coming off the back of the dynasty all our better players left. This was mainly due to wanting more money, and it left us supporting those that were like us the fans loyal to the club and we can't say that Smytty wasn't loyal at that point.

I think this is only part of it. There's definitely a tendency to celebrate the successes more, and the 80s crew had massive success. But they are all over the organization still, and they had almost no connection to that team of the 90s. They were all in LA and NY and would just come play here occasionally.

Some of the second tier from then - Ranford, Tikkanen - were still here for a few years of it, but they missed the good parts, really just here for the 4 years of no playoffs. The upsets in 1997 and 1998 didn't mean much to Gretzky, Messier, etc. because they were busy with their own careers at the time. At the end of that decade, Lowe and MacTavish come back and take over the team, so they're all invested again (although likely won't ever celebrate those first few years because A) there was no success and B) everyone who left, Lowe and MacTavish pissed off first.

It'll be interesting to see how the Hemsky/Horcoff/Hall/Eberle era gets remembered too. Almost no one has been happy here by the time they left, and the team's done so many hatchet jobs on reputations after players leave that they may have burned a lot of bridges. Maybe all we can hope for is that the current team actually wins some Cups so that they don't leave in misery too, with McDavid hating the team for wasting his prime.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762477 is a reply to message #762415 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 09:00

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:33

Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.

It occurs to me that the big jersey retirement push from several Edmonton media guys came right around the time the Committee would have been voting on this. I think this was something that the Oilers & Lowe campaigned hard for. The time was ripe - weak draft class no matter what, and a selection committee that was stacked with friends of Lowe & Gretzky's. It really was a perfect storm for them.

Gregor mentioning now that Carbonneau got in last year and Lowe this year to maybe the HHOF looking at adding more defensive players. I think that's a mistake. Most of those players just aren't as good - if they were, they would contribute more at both ends of the rink.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762481 is a reply to message #762466 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 09:30

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I do wonder if anyone who voted against Kevin Lowe did it because they weren't happy with his involvement with the Oilers management since their bad run? He was voted in as a player, what he did as a manager has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player. If you are going to say Lowe isn't hall worthy because of his involvement in Oilers management then do you think Gretzky isn't a hall of famer because he tried coaching and wasn't good at it?

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762482 is a reply to message #762481 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 09:39

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He's been passed over 19 times so I think Kevin Lowe is just not some hockey legend, despite what happened yesterday.

Conspiracy theory: Wayne made some phonecalls.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762484 is a reply to message #762481 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 09:48

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:30

Magnum wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I do wonder if anyone who voted against Kevin Lowe did it because they weren't happy with his involvement with the Oilers management since their bad run? He was voted in as a player, what he did as a manager has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player. If you are going to say Lowe isn't hall worthy because of his involvement in Oilers management then do you think Gretzky isn't a hall of famer because he tried coaching and wasn't good at it?

Nope. Also as previously mentioned, Wayne got in to the HOF before he ever coached a game.

And Lowe was a terrible hockey player. He only learned to pass backhand in the late 90s. This is a travesty of unbelievable proportions.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762489 is a reply to message #762484 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 10:16

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:48

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:30

Magnum wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I do wonder if anyone who voted against Kevin Lowe did it because they weren't happy with his involvement with the Oilers management since their bad run? He was voted in as a player, what he did as a manager has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player. If you are going to say Lowe isn't hall worthy because of his involvement in Oilers management then do you think Gretzky isn't a hall of famer because he tried coaching and wasn't good at it?

Nope. Also as previously mentioned, Wayne got in to the HOF before he ever coached a game.

And Lowe was a terrible hockey player. He only learned to pass backhand in the late 90s. This is a travesty of unbelievable proportions.

Well I guess that means you won't be going to his plaque if you ever visit the hall.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762490 is a reply to message #762489 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 10:28

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 10:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:48

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:30

Magnum wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I do wonder if anyone who voted against Kevin Lowe did it because they weren't happy with his involvement with the Oilers management since their bad run? He was voted in as a player, what he did as a manager has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player. If you are going to say Lowe isn't hall worthy because of his involvement in Oilers management then do you think Gretzky isn't a hall of famer because he tried coaching and wasn't good at it?

Nope. Also as previously mentioned, Wayne got in to the HOF before he ever coached a game.

And Lowe was a terrible hockey player. He only learned to pass backhand in the late 90s. This is a travesty of unbelievable proportions.

Well I guess that means you won't be going to his plague if you ever visit the hall.

That's the best typo ever.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762492 is a reply to message #762490 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 10:35

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 10:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 10:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:48

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 09:30

Magnum wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 22:55

If Kevin Lowe can be in the HHOF, then Kevin Federline can be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I do wonder if anyone who voted against Kevin Lowe did it because they weren't happy with his involvement with the Oilers management since their bad run? He was voted in as a player, what he did as a manager has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player. If you are going to say Lowe isn't hall worthy because of his involvement in Oilers management then do you think Gretzky isn't a hall of famer because he tried coaching and wasn't good at it?

Nope. Also as previously mentioned, Wayne got in to the HOF before he ever coached a game.

And Lowe was a terrible hockey player. He only learned to pass backhand in the late 90s. This is a travesty of unbelievable proportions.

Well I guess that means you won't be going to his plague if you ever visit the hall.

That's the best typo ever.

OOPS!!

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Too much Corona talk.

I fixed it.

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Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762494 is a reply to message #762492 ]	Thu, 25 June 2020 10:51

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Maybe there is an automatic termination clause in Russell's contract if Lowe gets into the Hall. Russell got a little more money in exchange for the clause. Russell didn't think it would happen at least for the length of the deal.

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