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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 18 December 2019 22:08]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 18 December 2019 20:25

Yeah, that was men against boys stuff tonight. We don't have the depth to hang around with these teams consistently. Koskinen kept us in it, he was great again. Shame we have a B2B coming up...Smith game incomming.

Woodguy (@Woodguy55) posted this on twitter tonight. Pretty clearly shows the gap between the two teams.



This is what concerns me about Holland's approach thus far: ideally, the entire bottom 9 (and maybe 10 if Kassian wants $4M), needs to be upgraded. How do you possibly do that in one or even two summers? Bringing in 42 question marks this past summer didn't really move the team forward. At all.

https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1207516812625076224?s=2 0

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 05:51

Goose wrote on Wed, 18 December 2019 23:22 Kr55 wrote on Wed, 18 December 2019 20:25 Yeah, that was men against boys stuff tonight. We don't have the depth to hang around with these teams consistently. Koskinen kept us in it, he was great again. Shame we have a B2B coming up...Smith game incomming. Woodguy (@Woodguy55) posted this on twitter tonight. Pretty clearly shows the gap between the two teams. This is what concerns me about Holland's approach thus far: ideally, the entire bottom 9 (and maybe 10 if Kassian wants $4M), needs to be upgraded. How do you possibly do that in one or even two summers? Bringing in 42 question marks this past summer didn't really move the team forward. At all. https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1207516812625076224?s=2 0 Truthfully. What were his options this offseason? He was given lemons. He made sugarless lemonade. Hopefully his approach will be yo offload some albatross contracts between now and the draft. Pray for league wide injuries and a healthy Oilers team in 2020.

It’s true. This was always a lost season. They’ve done more with it than anyone could have expected.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

Clean house or bust

Goose wrote on Wed, 18 December 2019 23:22

The bottom of that list...



We certainly didn't gain much ground last summer. I think he struck out twice trying to get Nyquist and Brassard. Turns out both guys would have helped a lot based on their point totals where they ended up. Consolation prize is a pile of poo.

Running out of summers.

[Updated on: Thu, 19 December 2019 07:57]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Thu, 19 December 2019 08:06]

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it.

Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year.

And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too.

The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night.

I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got.

I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year.

If Holland sells the farm for a lesser player instead of just getting Hall, I will certainly be down on him. Still just don't think this team is at a point where Hall would really move the needle that much. Way too many flaws still in this lineup. 3 guys and a bag of poo is still nothing better than playoff fodder.

Attracting UFA's will definitely be a bit harder if we miss. Is tying up multiple 1st rounders and trading 3 assets worth a slight improvement of being able to attract overpriced players this summer... Or would those assets be better used to trade for players you want that aren't overpriced. Debatable. Also debatable if Holland will actually trade any of them or if he's just gonna keep over-ripening :) We'll have to see. Regardless, I don't think there was any path to being a contender this season thanks to many years of destruction.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year.

But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!!

Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development.

Guess who else it helps... the fan base.

This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry.

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:42

Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year. But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!! Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development. Guess who else it helps... the fan base. This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry.

Islanders used to be the masters of the sell the farm just to try to make it move. Lead to some great confidence building years for Tavares :)

Columbus is just bathing in confidence now after the farm sell last year

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:46

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:42 Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year. But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!! Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development. Guess who else it helps... the fan base. This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry. Islanders used to be the masters of the sell the farm just to try to make it move. Lead to some great confidence building years for Tavares :) Columbus is just bathing in confidence now after the farm sell last year

Tavares is a great example of what happens with a superstar player on a backwards franchise once free agency comes. ;)

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:49

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:46 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:42 Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year. But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!! Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development. Guess who else it helps... the fan base. This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry. Islanders used to be the masters of the sell the farm just to try to make it move. Lead to some great confidence building years for Tavares :) Columbus is just bathing in confidence now after the farm sell last year Tavares is a great example of what happens with a superstar player on a backwards franchise once free agency comes. ;)

And the Islanders are a great example of a team that kept thinking 1 more player would solve all their problems that exist all over their lineup instead of actually trying to build something.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:50

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:49 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:46 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:42 Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year. But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!! Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development. Guess who else it helps... the fan base. This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry. Islanders used to be the masters of the sell the farm just to try to make it move. Lead to some great confidence building years for Tavares :) Columbus is just bathing in confidence now after the farm sell last year Tavares is a great example of what happens with a superstar player on a backwards franchise once free agency comes. ;) And the Islanders are a great example of a team that kept thinking 1 more player would solve all their problems that exist all over their lineup instead of actually trying to build something.

Are you saying Josh Archibald isn't the answer?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:00

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:50 CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:49 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:46 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:42 Adam wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 11:29 Kr55 wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:22 Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 19 December 2019 10:20 Gonna be that guy... Too bad the Oilers didn’t have (a player like) Taylor Hall to throw over the boards last night. I'm gonna be that other guy. We probably still lose with Hall. Blues knew how hard to play to beat us, they had another level if they felt like going to it. Meh - we can't really use that excuse. Every time it's a top team and the Oilers lose, you see the same story: "Team X just really knows how to win." Well, two issues with that. First of all, the Blues have lost 14 times this season already (six of those in extra time) so it's not like they're not beatable (especially considering we got the backup goalie). They were REALLY good at losing at the end of last year. And secondly, the Oilers have lost a lot of games this year to teams they should beat on paper, so they should be able to win some of the ones they lose on paper too. The team has some huge flaws, and it makes it damn tough to win consistently. The GM is sitting on his hands, so it doesn't appear the cavalry is coming any time soon, so if the team is going to have any chance, they're going to have to start winning some of the games against good teams (and against bad teams for that matter). Koskinen, for all his flaws, gave them a shot at it last night, but the Oilers got badly outplayed all night. I do think another good forward is a BIG help here. Taylor Hall is gone though, so until we trade the first rounder and Puljujarvi or Jones for Pageau ( ) this is what we've got. I have to say - I'm worried about the team's ability to attract enough good players over another summer - especially if they miss the playoffs again this year. But why mortgage the future just to make playoffs? We must stay the course!!! Seriously though, making playoffs does more good than bad for this team. McDavid has made the playoffs once in his NHL career... you think that makes him happy? Playoffs help these guys confidence, it helps these guys development. Guess who else it helps... the fan base. This Pageau fella won’t tip the needle, sorry. Islanders used to be the masters of the sell the farm just to try to make it move. Lead to some great confidence building years for Tavares :) Columbus is just bathing in confidence now after the farm sell last year Tavares is a great example of what happens with a superstar player on a backwards franchise once free agency comes. ;) And the Islanders are a great example of a team that kept thinking 1 more player would solve all their problems that exist all over their lineup instead of actually trying to build something. Are you saying Josh Archibald isn't the answer?

Sadly, half this lineup is non-answers :( And most of them are already getting to play against the worst the other team has to offer with full energy in their tanks...and they still do nothing.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

[Updated on: Thu, 19 December 2019 12:08]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

[Updated on: Thu, 19 December 2019 12:26]