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James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740652]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:36

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Milan Lucic days as a @EdmontonOilers are over. With Lucic waving his no move clause it opens up the trade to @NHLFlames. At this point sounding like a 1 for 1 trade for James Neal. @NHL

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740654 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:39

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Has this been verified? Stick to the speculation board. I kid.

It's a really good thing for the Oilers to get out from that boat anchor. I hope this is true even if Neal doesn't bounce back.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740655 is a reply to message #740654 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:41

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:39

Has this been verified? Stick to the speculation board. I kid.

It's a really good thing for the Oilers to get out from that boat anchor. I hope this is true even if Neal doesn't bounce back.

Since we have to be optimistic, it sounds like Neal's issue last year was he let his fitness slip. He has always had skill, and this summer he is going hard with Gary Roberts (probably will be training with McDavid) to try to get it back. Lucic on the other had, fitness has never been an issue...he just has no skill. He's working with a skills coach in LA this summer, finally, but how much can someone with so little skill actually build up in a summer?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740656 is a reply to message #740655 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:42

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:39

Has this been verified? Stick to the speculation board. I kid.

It's a really good thing for the Oilers to get out from that boat anchor. I hope this is true even if Neal doesn't bounce back.

Since we have to be optimistic, it sounds like Neal's issue last year was he let his fitness slip. He has always had skill, and this summer he is going hard with Gary Roberts to try to get it back. Lucic on the other had, fitness has never been an issue...he just has no skill. He's working with a skills coach in LA this summer, finally, but how much can someone with so little skill actually build up in a summer?

If nothing else, Neal has no NMC or NTC and is alot more buyout friendly.
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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740657 is a reply to message #740656 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:44

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The radio says the Oilers are retaining some salary... I don't necessarily like paying to help Calgary when they're reigning division winners, but I still like getting rid of Lucic.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740658 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:49

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- the lack of NMC makes this a win for the Oilers. Not having to protect him in the expansion draft is big
- These are the stats from last year
Neal - 63 GP, 7 G, 12 A, 19 PTS, -5, 2 PPG & 141 SOG

Lucic - 79 GP, 6 G, 14 A, 20 PTS, -9, 2 PPG & 74 SOG

I would guess he has a better chance to bounce back. His career shooting % is 11.6. Last year it was 5.

This isnt a deal that turns around the team but it is one step out of cap hell.

Fun article from pre FA, 2018 and pre Neal signing a bad deal and playing awful for the Flames.

https://oilersnation.com/2018/06/01/free-agent-profile-james -neal-is-perfect-fit-the-edmonton-oilers-cant-afford/

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740659 is a reply to message #740658 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:51

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In before adam craps all over this trade.

This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740660 is a reply to message #740657 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:54

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:44

The radio says the Oilers are retaining some salary... I don't necessarily like paying to help Calgary when they're reigning division winners, but I still like getting rid of Lucic.

The Stauffer telegraph strikes again!

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740661 is a reply to message #740659 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:55

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:51

In before adam craps all over this trade.

Im going to start a betting game for the offseason to fill the void left without the score prediction.
We can simply guess on what happens first and then guess the exact post ;

You complain about Adam but add nothing hockey related
Adam complains about the Oilers latest move, stating his reason why

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740662 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:58

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I think the only bad thing is that Lucic will be a good playoff guy for them and fills a role they definitely need.

Let's hope Neal can bounce back.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740663 is a reply to message #740659 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 13:59

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:51

In before adam craps all over this trade.

What do you think about it?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740664 is a reply to message #740662 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:03

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Is that a GM of the year move?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740665 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

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The amount of salary retained determines how much Calgary screwed up. I see this as a massive addition by subtraction. Lucic would have been such a distraction all year. Nevermind his disastrous contract. Very pleased so far.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740666 is a reply to message #740664 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

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We will have to see how much is retained.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740667 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:11

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The only way this would have been better would be if Bennett and Puljujarvi were included in the swap.

At the very least, Neal plays on Nuge's wing and is a big part of the PP.

Treliving has normally swindled other GMs... this time he looks to have been on the receiving end (pending retention and pick comp).

Massive addition by subtraction for the Edmonton Oilers.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740668 is a reply to message #740662 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:12

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:58

I think the only bad thing is that Lucic will be a good playoff guy for them and fills a role they definitely need.

Let's hope Neal can bounce back.

Lucic was supposed to be a good playoff guy for us. And for LA. He was pretty pedestrian in both runs. We shall see though, maybe it really was all Oilers (and LA) water.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740669 is a reply to message #740666 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:15

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McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

We will have to see how much is retained.

That will be the key. What do you think we be the cutoff?

0 - 1$MM /season = good
$1MM - $2MM/season = maybe
$2MM - $3MM/season = bad

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740670 is a reply to message #740669 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:16

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Pseudoreality wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:15

McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

We will have to see how much is retained.

That will be the key. What do you think we be the cutoff?

0 - 1$MM /season = good
$1MM - $2MM/season = maybe
$2MM - $3MM/season = bad

Better be both teams retaining some, just to make the blow a little more even if Lucic is bought out.

We better not end up with 7M Neal/retained and Flames get 5M Lucic.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740671 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:19

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Just popped over to CP for a minute. Only made it through the first page but they were at 11 pages of hatred.

Flames fans calling for Trelivings head shortly before jumping out the window is enough to make me like the trade.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740672 is a reply to message #740670 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:20

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:16

Pseudoreality wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:15

McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

We will have to see how much is retained.

That will be the key. What do you think we be the cutoff?

0 - 1$MM /season = good
$1MM - $2MM/season = maybe
$2MM - $3MM/season = bad

Better be both teams retaining some, just to make the blow a little more even if Lucic is bought out.

We better not end up with 7M Neal/retained and Flames get 5M Lucic.

I am betting it is .25 to make the salaries even

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740673 is a reply to message #740672 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:20

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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:20

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:16

Pseudoreality wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:15

McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

We will have to see how much is retained.

That will be the key. What do you think we be the cutoff?

0 - 1$MM /season = good
$1MM - $2MM/season = maybe
$2MM - $3MM/season = bad

Better be both teams retaining some, just to make the blow a little more even if Lucic is bought out.

We better not end up with 7M Neal/retained and Flames get 5M Lucic.

I am betting it is .25 to make the salaries even

I'm hoping 500K or less

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740674 is a reply to message #740659 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:23

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:51

In before adam craps all over this trade.

The devil is in the details, but as a one for one on the surface that trade would be very good. The reallocation on salary may make it less good, but if you read here regularly and didn’t just do drive-by grousings, you’d know that I wrote a comparison of these two players a few weeks ago and said I’d much rather have James Neal.

Pretty happy from a player perspective about this and even happier that Lucic is now the Flames problem.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740675 is a reply to message #740669 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:25

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Pseudoreality wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:15

McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:05

We will have to see how much is retained.

That will be the key. What do you think we be the cutoff?

0 - 1$MM /season = good
$1MM - $2MM/season = maybe
$2MM - $3MM/season = bad

Also - when is the retained salary. I do not believe it needs to be consistently allocated across the remaining seasons. If we take more this year and less or none in the next couple, that’s much better.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740676 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

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Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740677 is a reply to message #740676 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:39

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country. Chia conceded it in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

Why would the NHL keep NMC documents in Baltimore?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740678 is a reply to message #740676 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:44

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

I'd guess Oilers leaked first, since you have Principe and Rishaug, both team lap dogs, as the ones announcing it.

Calgary reporters come second, and they're the ones reporting that there's also a conditional pick and Edmonton eating some salary.

If people are going to leak, I'd appreciate if they just leaked everything.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740679 is a reply to message #740678 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:49

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740680 is a reply to message #740678 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:50

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Even if the Oil retain salary, the fact remains that Neal would be easier to buy out than Loo if things go sour, so this is looking like a definitive win for Holland. Seriously, what sorcery did he use to get Treliving to agree to this?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740681 is a reply to message #740680 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

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Somebody needed to ride shotgun for johnny hockey i guess. Assuming it's one for one or close to it, Neal would basically have to injure McDavid for us to lose this deal.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740682 is a reply to message #740676 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740683 is a reply to message #740682 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:59

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Depends how much more. If it's not much then not really a loss. You now have more options if Neal doesn't work out, his contract isn't buyout proof, he doesn't need to be protected and you can trade him somewhere else. Lucic had his NMC/NTC

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740684 is a reply to message #740677 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 14:59

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:39

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country. Chia conceded it in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

Why would the NHL keep NMC documents in Baltimore?

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740685 is a reply to message #740683 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:05

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McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:59

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Depends how much more. If it's not much then not really a loss. You now have more options if Neal doesn't work out, his contract isn't buyout proof, he doesn't need to be protected and you can trade him somewhere else. Lucic had his NMC/NTC

Plus he has a better chance of scoring more that 10 goals this year

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740686 is a reply to message #740685 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

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Oiler76 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:05

McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 13:59

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Depends how much more. If it's not much then not really a loss. You now have more options if Neal doesn't work out, his contract isn't buyout proof, he doesn't need to be protected and you can trade him somewhere else. Lucic had his NMC/NTC

Plus he has a better chance of scoring more that 10 goals this year

If they retain half the salary this year, I wouldn't care. The Oilers are saving a full year and 6 million over the course of the contract while having no plans to be good this year. I care about next year and the year after in particular on the retention part of this trade.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740687 is a reply to message #740682 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740689 is a reply to message #740652 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:19

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Gregor was getting really mad at people for lumping him in with media guys that thought an Oilers/Flames trade was in the works. He was proud to be in the group that thought any oilers/flames talk was just unsubstantiated rumors

Jason Gregor @JasonGregor Jul 18
Text I received today in regards to Lucic trade rumours.. "All quiet."
Another text from person close to CGY..."Has never been any serious discussions." in regards to Oilers/Flames trade rumours.
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Kevin @extremelykevin Jul 18
Holland: Hi Brad I will literally trade you Lucic for anything what you got

Treliving: B$#ch what

Edmonton media: Flames and Oilers discussing trade involving Lucic

Jason Gregor @JasonGregor
Replying to @extremelykevin
incorrect on last line..I've stated for weeks it was never a thing. Some others might have, but don't lump all together. :)

Gregor has been out to lunch all summer so far, lol. He said 100% we were not taking Broberg based on his "sources". Yesterday his "sources" said Lucic trade talk quiet. Likely he was wrong about the bonus being paid this week to Lucic too, he was working overtime trying to convince the world it was paid July 1st.

Kinda funny. His "source" is trolling him I think.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740690 is a reply to message #740681 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:27

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:57

Somebody needed to ride shotgun for johnny hockey i guess. Assuming it's one for one or close to it, Neal would basically have to injure McDavid for us to lose this deal.

Lol, I just texted my brother to say the same thing...hopefully Lucic doesn’t injure McDavid now.

A few years ago I wanted to get Neal, now I’m not as excited but as long as it didn’t cost us a 1st (like Toronto/Marleau) to get away from that contract I think we did just fine.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740691 is a reply to message #740687 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:28

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:08

Magnum wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:57

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 14:38

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Sounds like the NMC paperwork and the trade call are still to be completed. Not positive it gets officially completed today.

The NMC documents are probably in a vault in a 3rd world country in the middle of a war zone. Chia conceded doing that in negotiations to make trading Lucic even more difficult.

If there is more than $500K held back in salary that’ll be loss.

Didn't catch it myself, but sounds like Bob McKenzie said it's 125k/year retention to even the cap hits out. Both guys end up costing 5.875M

Thank Jesus, et al.

Interesting. The Oilers don’t play the Flames until December 27th.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740692 is a reply to message #740690 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:31

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messier11 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:27

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:57

Somebody needed to ride shotgun for johnny hockey i guess. Assuming it's one for one or close to it, Neal would basically have to injure McDavid for us to lose this deal.

Lol, I just texted my brother to say the same thing...hopefully Lucic doesn’t injure McDavid now.

A few years ago I wanted to get Neal, now I’m not as excited but as long as it didn’t cost us a 1st (like Toronto/Marleau) to get away from that contract I think we did just fine.

I guess we may be able to go by how he played vs the Kings and Bruins.

...I don't think he did crap against either team, maybe even less than vs non-ex teams.

Maybe the trade lights a fire under him, but to me, the last couple years, I've just seen a guy that looks like he wants to retire with his money and without any extra damage on his body.

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Re: James Neal for Lucic trade [message #740693 is a reply to message #740692 ]	Fri, 19 July 2019 15:48

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:31

messier11 wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:27

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 19 July 2019 15:57

Somebody needed to ride shotgun for johnny hockey i guess. Assuming it's one for one or close to it, Neal would basically have to injure McDavid for us to lose this deal.

Lol, I just texted my brother to say the same thing...hopefully Lucic doesn’t injure McDavid now.

A few years ago I wanted to get Neal, now I’m not as excited but as long as it didn’t cost us a 1st (like Toronto/Marleau) to get away from that contract I think we did just fine.

I guess we may be able to go by how he played vs the Kings and Bruins.

...I don't think he did crap against either team, maybe even less than vs non-ex teams.

Maybe the trade lights a fire under him, but to me, the last couple years, I've just seen a guy that looks like he wants to retire with his money and without any extra damage on his body.

Was curious, here are Lucic's stats vs ex teams as an Oiler:

Boston:
6GP: 1 goal, 1 assist, -1, 2 PIM, the 1 goal was on the PP

Kings:
12GP: 2 goals, 1 assist, -6, 14 PIM, 2 goals were both on the PP

So, 2 even strength points in 18 games vs ex teams. 2 PIM vs Bruins. All 14 PIM against Kings came in 1 game, 0 PIM in the other 11.

Here is how his 14PIM game was described. Many might remember this one:

#27 Milan Lucic, 2. Had 0 shot attempts, and his team mustered just 1 shot during his 11 minutes (4 against , including a goal). Has 1 shot in his last 5 games and hasn’t had a decent scoring chance for what seems like a month. In a game where Doughty took liberties with McDavid early, Lucic took a few shots behind the play at guys like Oscar Fantenberg, Austin Wagner, Sean Walker and Brendan Leipsic, he didn’t so much as reintroduce himself to former teammates like Doughty, Kopitar, Dustin Brown and Jeff Carter, let alone Jonathan Quick. Got an early shower when he took 14 minutes in penalties against little Brendan Leipsic, who is 5 inches shorter and over 50 pounds lighter than him. Slashing, cross-checking, misconduct. That’ll show ’em.

Was a game where mcDavid took multiple cheap shots from Doughty, and Lucic went after the smallest guy he could find (5'10" Brendan Leipsic) and gave him a cheap shot to get himself ejected.

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