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Oilers sign Josh Archibald to a 1 year deal. He scored 12 goals, 22 pts in 68 games. Sounds like it might be for 700K. He's a right wing, going to be 27 in October. Skates well. Played some on the PK.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:08

Oilers sign Josh Archibald to a 1 year deal. He scored 12 goals, 22 pts in 68 games. Sounds like it might be for 700K. He's a right wing, going to be 27 in October. Skates well. Played some on the PK.


Well, at least he was playing in the NHL last year!

He has to live up to Rieder's performance after making the Coyotes to Oilers jump.

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I don't mind the signing because he fills a need and it's for league minimum. They also need more depth scoring from top to bottom. He to me is a Chiasson type signing. A bottom 6 guy making no money who at worse he helps your depth but maybe you get lucky and he has a big year like Chiasson did. With the limitations the Oilers have, they need to hit on the odd guy having a big year making no money.

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Sees like a good signing. Puts the Oilers at 49 of 50 players, and Archibald is UFA after this year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/josh-archibald

Cap Friendly has the Oilers with $3, 233,001 left in cap space. Not much wriggle room left on either the cap or 50 man roster, barring a trade.


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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:26

Sees like a good signing. Puts the Oilers at 49 of 50 players, and Archibald is UFA after this year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/josh-archibald

Cap Friendly has the Oilers with $3, 233,001 left in cap space. Not much wriggle room left on either the cap or 50 man roster, barring a trade.

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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:26

Sees like a good signing. Puts the Oilers at 49 of 50 players, and Archibald is UFA after this year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/josh-archibald

Cap Friendly has the Oilers with $3, 233,001 left in cap space. Not much wriggle room left on either the cap or 50 man roster, barring a trade.

True but that is with Manning and his 2.25 mill and Brodziak with his 1.15 on the books. Manning will for sure be buried in the minors so I think they save a little over a 1 mill of cap space and if they bury Brodziak which I could also see, they would save pretty much all his cap I believe.

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According to Cap Friendly, Manning's contract is one way. I would take this to mean he is on the books for his full salary, even if he spends the winter eating popcorn in the press box as a healthy scratch for the Condors.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-manning

I think Brodziak would also be on the books for his full salary if he were sent to Bakersfield.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kyle-brodziak

The advantage to sending Brodziak to Bakersfield would be that he would give the Condors a veteran presence at forward. Whether this presence would be wanted or needed, I would question. The young prospective kids need to play, and finding their own way might be just as good as "veteran presence".


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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 11:46

According to Cap Friendly, Manning's contract is one way. I would take this to mean he is on the books for his full salary, even if he spends the winter eating popcorn in the press box as a healthy scratch for the Condors.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-manning

I think Brodziak would also be on the books for his full salary if he were sent to Bakersfield.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kyle-brodziak

The advantage to sending Brodziak to Bakersfield would be that he would give the Condors a veteran presence at forward. Whether this presence would be wanted or needed, I would question. The young prospective kids need to play, and finding their own way might be just as good as "veteran presence".


I know they are one way but I believe when you bury a guy, you get just over 1 mill of the salary in cap relief. I am pretty sure that is what happened last year.

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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 11:46

According to Cap Friendly, Manning's contract is one way. I would take this to mean he is on the books for his full salary, even if he spends the winter eating popcorn in the press box as a healthy scratch for the Condors.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-manning

I think Brodziak would also be on the books for his full salary if he were sent to Bakersfield.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kyle-brodziak

The advantage to sending Brodziak to Bakersfield would be that he would give the Condors a veteran presence at forward. Whether this presence would be wanted or needed, I would question. The young prospective kids need to play, and finding their own way might be just as good as "veteran presence".


My understanding is that a one way contract just means he gets paid his full NHL salary (Katz's problem), not that it counts against the cap necessarily. Or is that the previous CBA?

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Both are bury-able at up to $1.05 Mill each,meaning only a few 10k of Brodziak and $1.whatever mil of Manning count against the cap

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JPro wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:10

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 11:46

According to Cap Friendly, Manning's contract is one way. I would take this to mean he is on the books for his full salary, even if he spends the winter eating popcorn in the press box as a healthy scratch for the Condors.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-manning

I think Brodziak would also be on the books for his full salary if he were sent to Bakersfield.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kyle-brodziak

The advantage to sending Brodziak to Bakersfield would be that he would give the Condors a veteran presence at forward. Whether this presence would be wanted or needed, I would question. The young prospective kids need to play, and finding their own way might be just as good as "veteran presence".


My understanding is that a one way contract just means he gets paid his full NHL salary (Katz's problem), not that it counts against the cap necessarily. Or is that the previous CBA?

Exactly. I thought it was that they still get paid their full salary in the minors but if you bury them you get 1 mill of relief.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:15

I don't mind the signing because he fills a need and it's for league minimum. They also need more depth scoring from top to bottom. He to me is a Chiasson type signing. A bottom 6 guy making no money who at worse he helps your depth but maybe you get lucky and he has a big year like Chiasson did. With the limitations the Oilers have, they need to hit on the odd guy having a big year making no money.


It was reported as league minimum earlier today, but now Cap Friendly is reporting the deal is $1 million.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

The cap space money available to sign Puljujarvi is dwindling by the hour.


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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:15

I don't mind the signing because he fills a need and it's for league minimum. They also need more depth scoring from top to bottom. He to me is a Chiasson type signing. A bottom 6 guy making no money who at worse he helps your depth but maybe you get lucky and he has a big year like Chiasson did. With the limitations the Oilers have, they need to hit on the odd guy having a big year making no money.


It was reported as league minimum earlier today, but now Cap Friendly is reporting the deal is $1 million.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

The cap space money available to sign Puljujarvi is dwindling by the hour.

The Oilers already qualified him so I think that would mean he's making just over 1 mill if he took the qualifying offer. If by some chance he comes back to the Oilers this season, I would bet he's signing for 1 yr at around 1 mill. He's got no European teams lined up. He's an RFA with no arb rights. He scored 4 goals, 9 pts. So he has zero leverage. I think most European teams are getting close to camp so most would have their rosters made up. He and his agent screwed up big time. So my guess is if he even found a Europe team that could take him, he'd take a major pay cut to play.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 10:08

Oilers sign Josh Archibald to a 1 year deal. He scored 12 goals, 22 pts in 68 games. Sounds like it might be for 700K. He's a right wing, going to be 27 in October. Skates well. Played some on the PK.


Seems like a pretty good pick up. Prorates to 14.5 goals. Can kill penalties.

I'd have gone three years at minimum if that was available. Nice move Hollowe.

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IT's a cheap bet who if all he is, is a 4th liner, the contract is fine. If he ends up being more then you have a value deal.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 13:17

IT's a cheap bet who if all he is, is a 4th liner, the contract is fine. If he ends up being more then you have a value deal.


His goals put him as a top 7.4 to 8.3 forward, his prorated goals put him as a top 6.0 to 6.7 forward.

His points put him as a top 11.74 to 11.97 forward, his prorated points put him as a top 9.4 to 9.8 forward.

I don't blame a third or fourth liner for not having a lot of Apples. To me he looks more like a third-liner than a fourth. Time will tell. Pickings are pretty slim on the third here in Edmonton.

His totals are exactly the same as Granlund, but with 5 fewer games played.

That said, his PPG put him at a top 13.2 to 13.8 forward... not greeeeaaaat. I take consolation in the goal stat.

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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:10

Both are bury-able at up to $1.05 Mill each,meaning only a few 10k of Brodziak and $1.whatever mil of Manning count against the cap


It drives me mad when the Edmonton media say that we have $3M in cap space, when they should know full well that we can bury $1,075,000 per player, in the AHL. The team could easily free up $3M in cap on AHL-send-downs alone. It's always attached to some excuse for Hollowe's poor performance in the offseason.

At the beginning of the offseason, the team had $8,908,001 in cap space, and could have cleared another $2,725,000 by sending Persson, Brodziak, and Cave down. That's a total of $11,633,001.

Current: $2,933,001
Smith: $2,000,000
Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Beginning of Free Agency: $8,908,001

Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential at beginning of Free Agency: $11,633,001

Current Potential Cap

Current: $2,933,001

Send Down (need two goalies, can't send Mike down)

Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential: $9,633,001

Really, if we signed two $4M guys and kept one of these dudes up, the team would be much better. But Hollowe did not do that and he could have.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/1331398

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His history is interesting, growing up in Sask and then from 15 on playing high school hockey in Minnesota and eventually playing for the US in the world juniors. Also won a cup with Pittsburgh playing in 4 games during the playoff run. Good pick up at low risk. Holland is doing what he said he would, bring the level of play of the bottom six up and add speed. I think all the forwards he has signed so far are said to be fast.

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 14:54

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:10

Both are bury-able at up to $1.05 Mill each,meaning only a few 10k of Brodziak and $1.whatever mil of Manning count against the cap


It drives me mad when the Edmonton media say that we have $3M in cap space, when they should know full well that we can bury $1,075,000 per player, in the AHL. The team could easily free up $3M in cap on AHL-send-downs alone. It's always attached to some excuse for Hollowe's poor performance in the offseason.

At the beginning of the offseason, the team had $8,908,001 in cap space, and could have cleared another $2,725,000 by sending Persson, Brodziak, and Cave down. That's a total of $11,633,001.

Current: $2,933,001
Smith: $2,000,000
Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Beginning of Free Agency: $8,908,001

Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential at beginning of Free Agency: $11,633,001

Current Potential Cap

Current: $2,933,001

Send Down (need two goalies, can't send Mike down)

Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential: $9,633,001

Really, if we signed two $4M guys and kept one of these dudes up, the team would be much better. But Hollowe did not do that and he could have.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/1331398


Problem with burying a player is that the bulk of that "savings" just goes to their replacement on the 23-man roster. If Manning gets demoted, and we call up Bear in his stead, then our cap hit is reduced only by $400K - and Bear's just about the cheapest option we have too.

As for the signing - well - we sure have a lot of bottom-six forwards now.

The Oilers now have the 6th least amount of cap space remaining (and should be less, since Capfriendly is listing Puljujarvi as one of our 23-man roster currently) and with 49/50 contracts, we don't have a tonne of space for any other signings this year (although if Broberg is in Europe and Rodrigue is in junior then we have two more spots available for a late summer signing or for inking a successful PTO guy.

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The signing doesn't help the Oilers need for a top 6 player but what I like is he's an NHL player who can do a role. At worse he's in your bottom 6, hopefully contributing bottom 6 production and helping on the PK. Maybe you get lucky and you get a Chiasson type season. I don't expect it what so ever but I didn't think you'd get what Chiasson did.

He plus a few of the other guys they have signed maybe aren't your ideal top 6 guys but what it also does is the Oilers are going to be able to ice NHLers. Maybe some guys have to play up a bit but they are NHLers. Last year they played at times:
- Rattie
- Rieder - When you score zero goals, you aren't an NHLer in my books.
- Spooner
- Puljujarjvi
- Brodziak - I am not sure he's an NHLer anymore.
- Cave - Not sure he's an NHLer
- Currie
- Gamberdella
- Yamamoto
- Malone
- Russell
- Marody
- Zykov

All those guys saw time with the Oilers, some of them lots of time. Some of the AHL guys might be ready for the NHL this season but they weren't last year. Some guys like Rattie, I just heard Spooner, are playing in Europe. No one has touched Rieder who will probably be a PTO guy. Then there is Puljujarvi.

So maybe they aren't high end guys but the Oilers have more NHL depth and given Tippett's history with Arizona, maybe he can get those guys to play hard and play above what their resume says.


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So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I don't think the Oilers beyond bad bottom 6 was the sole reason they didn't succeed last year but it played a big part. Their PK was lousy and ideally you have bottom 6 guys in that role. In their playoff year they scored 247 goals. Last season they scored 232. Last year they had the lowest goal total out of the bottom 6 in 44 yrs. They had a bottom 6 guy in Rieder set an NHL record for shots taken without scoring. So if they can get better bottom 6 guys scoring at a normal rate, while it won't solved the Oilers top 6 woes, it will help.


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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 08:25

Magnum wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 14:54

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:10

Both are bury-able at up to $1.05 Mill each,meaning only a few 10k of Brodziak and $1.whatever mil of Manning count against the cap


It drives me mad when the Edmonton media say that we have $3M in cap space, when they should know full well that we can bury $1,075,000 per player, in the AHL. The team could easily free up $3M in cap on AHL-send-downs alone. It's always attached to some excuse for Hollowe's poor performance in the offseason.

At the beginning of the offseason, the team had $8,908,001 in cap space, and could have cleared another $2,725,000 by sending Persson, Brodziak, and Cave down. That's a total of $11,633,001.

Current: $2,933,001
Smith: $2,000,000
Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Beginning of Free Agency: $8,908,001

Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential at beginning of Free Agency: $11,633,001

Current Potential Cap

Current: $2,933,001

Send Down (need two goalies, can't send Mike down)

Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential: $9,633,001

Really, if we signed two $4M guys and kept one of these dudes up, the team would be much better. But Hollowe did not do that and he could have.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/1331398


Problem with burying a player is that the bulk of that "savings" just goes to their replacement on the 23-man roster. If Manning gets demoted, and we call up Bear in his stead, then our cap hit is reduced only by $400K - and Bear's just about the cheapest option we have too.

As for the signing - well - we sure have a lot of bottom-six forwards now.

The Oilers now have the 6th least amount of cap space remaining (and should be less, since Capfriendly is listing Puljujarvi as one of our 23-man roster currently) and with 49/50 contracts, we don't have a tonne of space for any other signings this year (although if Broberg is in Europe and Rodrigue is in junior then we have two more spots available for a late summer signing or for inking a successful PTO guy.


Play around with the cap friendly team building app. It shows what Holland could have done. It's brutal what he got accomplished. It also made me hate the Sekera buyout a little bit less. Then, it made me hate Holland for not really doing much with the space it cleared...

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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 16 July 2019 12:10

Both are bury-able at up to $1.05 Mill each,meaning only a few 10k of Brodziak and $1.whatever mil of Manning count against the cap


It drives me mad when the Edmonton media say that we have $3M in cap space, when they should know full well that we can bury $1,075,000 per player, in the AHL. The team could easily free up $3M in cap on AHL-send-downs alone. It's always attached to some excuse for Hollowe's poor performance in the offseason.

At the beginning of the offseason, the team had $8,908,001 in cap space, and could have cleared another $2,725,000 by sending Persson, Brodziak, and Cave down. That's a total of $11,633,001.

Current: $2,933,001
Smith: $2,000,000
Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Beginning of Free Agency: $8,908,001

Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential at beginning of Free Agency: $11,633,001

Current Potential Cap

Current: $2,933,001

Send Down (need two goalies, can't send Mike down)

Granlund: $1,300,000
Archibald: $1,000,000
Nygard: $925,000
Jurco: $750,000
Brodziak: $1,150,000
Cave: $675,000
Person: $1,000,000
Potential: $9,633,001

Really, if we signed two $4M guys and kept one of these dudes up, the team would be much better. But Hollowe did not do that and he could have.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/1331398


Here is one thing that no one mentions. These players have the ultimate choice where they go. I would have liked Connelly, apparently according to the agent who was on an Edmonton show, it was real close for the Oilers. The Panthers gave Connelly the extra year so he took it. How many other guys were the Oilers in on that they lost out on because the other team gave the player an extra year, extra money. Some guys go for where the team is located as in a warmer climate. The taxes play into it for guys as 3 mill in one state isn't the same as it is in Alberta.

So while I would have liked to see some more moves, at the same time I am happy they didn't go out and do something stupid like the Lucic signing. It's also July 17th, still time.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


WheatNOil did some interesting work around this and posted to twitter yesterday. Basically looked at primary points/60 and attempted to rank guys according to what level of line they were producing at.

There's a bunch of tweets that go into more depth, and I suggest reading them all. But the main 2 takeaways are:

Quote:


@WheatNOil:
Oilers FWDs by 3-yr primary points/60 tiered into lines

1st Line: 97, Drai, RNH
2nd Line: None
3rd Line: Gagner, Archibald, Chiasson
4th Line: Lucic, Kassian, Granlund, Khaira, Cave, Jurco, Brodziak
Rookie/Small Sample: Nygard, Haas, Benson, Gambardella, Marody, Currie, Yamamoto



Quote:


@WheatNOil:
Here’s the thing: McDavid & Drai make a lot of money & they’ll cover the bet. When they make that much though, you need to have value contracts somewhere else. The Oilers don’t.

That Lucic contract buries them and they don’t have a lot of ELC sure-fires at forward.


Assuming that RNH drops down a line, who out of that bottom group is going to step up to produce on the 2nd line? Maybe Archibald, maybe Benson. Likely Chiasson gets some sort of push, but I'm really not sold on him.

My personal takeaway: trading RNH for anything other than a mint right now is crazy. As bad as that bottom 6 was/is, the Oilers aren't going anywhere without a functioning 2nd line and it just doesn't exist without RNH.

https://twitter.com/WheatNOil/status/1151230249369124864?s=2 0

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...


Well, clearly you are not listening to enough Stauffer!

The tone is usually about unfinished business :)

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...


Well, clearly you are not listening to enough Stauffer!

The tone is usually about unfinished business :)

They couldn't afford him. Pretending they could magically get rid of Lucic's 6 mill, what's Hall going to sign for 10? Maybe more. Skinner got 9 mill, Hall's a better player than Skinner. I think it's pretty clear that Leon's contract is fine. But even if someone wants to die on the hill that says he's overpaid. Shave off 1 mill. That still means combined Leon and McDavid would be making 20 mill. Add on a conservative 10 mill for Hall. That's 30 mill for 3 players. If the cap is just over 80 mill, pretty tough to win with that much money tied up in 3 guys.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:40

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...


Well, clearly you are not listening to enough Stauffer!

The tone is usually about unfinished business :)

They couldn't afford him. Pretending they could magically get rid of Lucic's 6 mill, what's Hall going to sign for 10? Maybe more. Skinner got 9 mill, Hall's a better player than Skinner. I think it's pretty clear that Leon's contract is fine. But even if someone wants to die on the hill that says he's overpaid. Shave off 1 mill. That still means combined Leon and McDavid would be making 20 mill. Add on a conservative 10 mill for Hall. That's 30 mill for 3 players. If the cap is just over 80 mill, pretty tough to win with that much money tied up in 3 guys.


Would certainly need to plan for such a move. Only signing guys to short term deals right now. If you wait until the next Lucic bonus, he is owed 10M more for 3 years with an 18M cap hit. Russell would need to be dumped. Those 2 alone are 10M.

Hard to win with 30M tied up in mcdavid/Drai/Lucic/Russell too :) Probably harder than McDavid/Dria/someone that actually can do elite things.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.

I don't disagree one bit that he will want to go to a team that has a chance to win. Every time you see a quote from him, he mentions about only being in the playoffs once and wanting to win. So there is a chance the Oilers wouldn't be one of those teams on the cusp. But all you did in the previous post was point out petty reasons about "old boys club". Would anyone give 2 craps about who ever is around from the old team if the Oilers were better? Nope. One gave a crap when in 2016. But as soon as they are bad, it's easy pickings to blame the old boys.

If in a year from now the Oilers have made moves to improve, some of all of these young, puck moving dmen who look to be legit are legit and the Oilers are winning games, no one except for some of the bitter fans who can't let things go will give 2 craps if Gretzky or KLowe are at a game watching.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

That's a pretty big "if" considering the last 20 years.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

That's a pretty big "if" considering the last 20 years.

Yes it is. Doesn't mean it can't happen regardless if Gretzky is in town his 5 times a year or Klowe happens to be in the lunch room the same time as Holland.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

That's a pretty big "if" considering the last 20 years.

Yes it is. Doesn't mean it can't happen regardless if Gretzky is in town his 5 times a year or Klowe happens to be in the lunch room the same time as Holland.


Fans are welcome to stick their head in the sands all they want about the cancerous influence of the Old Boys. It's totally up to you if you want to naively believe that Kevin Lowe is now doing some business role he's completely unqualified instead of a hockey operations role that he's equally unqualified for.

These guys are in on the decisions about who to hire for management roles, they're in the room when big decisions are being made about the team, and they have the ear of the owner if things aren't going how they want them to, but sure...they're just "watching a few games" and "sharing a lunch room."

The culture of protecting Lowe and a few close friends over any other team priority has absolutely poisoned team culture and I think it still has a malignant effect on the organization. I don't believe the Oilers were fixed by firing Chiarelli and hiring Holland, and I don't expect any quantum leap forward this year. Without that, how are you going to convince star free agents that this is the best place to land? How are you going to convince your current stars that there's a light at the end of this deep, dark tunnel?

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 12:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:41

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 10:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:17

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 17 July 2019 09:12

So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.


As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.


Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.


I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.


Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.


I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

That's a pretty big "if" considering the last 20 years.

Yes it is. Doesn't mean it can't happen regardless if Gretzky is in town his 5 times a year or Klowe happens to be in the lunch room the same time as Holland.


Fans are welcome to stick their head in the sands all they want about the cancerous influence of the Old Boys. It's totally up to you if you want to naively believe that Kevin Lowe is now doing some business role he's completely unqualified instead of a hockey operations role that he's equally unqualified for.

These guys are in on the decisions about who to hire for management roles, they're in the room when big decisions are being made about the team, and they have the ear of the owner if things aren't going how they want them to, but sure...they're just "watching a few games" and "sharing a lunch room."

The culture of protecting Lowe and a few close friends over any other team priority has absolutely poisoned team culture and I think it still has a malignant effect on the organization. I don't believe the Oilers were fixed by firing Chiarelli and hiring Holland, and I don't expect any quantum leap forward this year. Without that, how are you going to convince star free agents that this is the best place to land? How are you going to convince your current stars that there's a light at the end of this deep, dark tunnel?

I am not sticking my head in the sand Adam. Please do not decide you know exactly how I think. You don't know me what so ever. Am I happy at what has happened, no, I am not happy at all. It's frustrating as hell. But it's a freaking pro sports team, it's not life or death here. It's not personal. The team hasn't wronged any of us or me. They didn't sleep with my wife for god sake. It's entertainment. If the Oilers don't win a game as much as I want them to win them all, no one gets hurt or dies in my life. When the day comes that I am as miserable and negative over a freaking sports team, is the day I step away.

Serious question and this is in no way me trying to be a jerk. If you have no confidence what so ever that the team, the owner, the organization or whoever else will ever get better, why bother watching them or coming here to comment on them? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if all you expect is the worst, then why bother. If it was me, I would just walk away and save myself the frustration.

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