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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835648 is a reply to message #835646 ]
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What I don't get with a lot of hockey people is how they often seem to discredit how teams need their best players to play well. Yes you need some contribution by depth players. That contribution is partly chipping in on offense but a lot of that is doing other things like the PK as an example. But at the end of the day, if your best players don't play well in a series, you will lose. Doesn't matter how much depth you have.

The Rangers are a great example. They won the Presidents trophy. They have a vezina caliber goalie, a norris dman and depth. Everything people say you need to win. Their depth chipped in but their 3 bestr players - Panarin, Kreider Zibanejad - did not have a good series and they lost.

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Knob just lost us all the Buffalo fans.

When asked if Florida's finals appearance last year gives them an advantage, he said to ask the Buffalo Bills how much the experience of finals appearances matter.

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835650 is a reply to message #835647 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:04

benv wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 09:59

Moneypuck, which uses nothing but math to make its predictions has the Oilers as a very small favourite to win: 52.5% to 47.5%.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm




That's an interesting one! Florida has dominated possession 5v5 through the playoffs, and would expect them to get the thumbs up by more analytics models. However, looks like moneypuck does account for special teams quite a bit, which probably gives us a boost.

Do hope the refs aren't scared to make calls in the finals. Need the Knob to figure out some good strategies to counter the relentless Florida attack.


The refs are a really interesting storyline. Florida's kind of bullied their way through a lot of the first three rounds. They have so many dirtbag players. They have 207 penalty minutes so far, compared to 171 for the Oilers, 146 for the Rangers and just 92 for the Stars. Worth noting, that's slightly skewed by the fact that the Panthers and Bruins took a ton of misconducts against each other.

They've done a tremendous job on the kill at over 88%, but they haven't had to worry about a PP quite like the Oilers. Rangers were 24.0% in the playoffs, Bruins were 21.2%, and Lightning were 20.0%. Edmonton is humming along at 37.3%.

So does that mean they back off a little from that edge, in fear of the Oilers man advantage? Or do the refs just change the standard even more for the Finals and let full-scale mugging take place all over the ice?

Interesting looking at the stats, because the Panthers have almost two full minutes more of powerplay time than the Oilers through three rounds. Refs have called lots of penalties in their games, and relatively few in ours. The Oilers averaging the 13th most PP time/game in the post-season (although scoring on so many PPs might impact that number a bit too).

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835651 is a reply to message #835644 ]
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I was almost as nervous about the Dallas series as I was for the Avs a couple of years ago.

I know the Panthers are a good team, but we do have some pretty OK hockey players over there too.


Purely in terms of offense, McDavid and Draisaitl are the best 1-2 in the history of the NHL. They sit 2 and 3 all time in PPG, and McDavid has a pretty good chance to break the record for most assists in a playoff season (5 away). Though he's unlikely to hit the mark for the most points ever in a playoff season (16 shy), both he and Draisaitl could easily finish around top 5 with the highest totals in over 30 years.

Evan Bouchard has an outside shot at the highest total ever for a Dman (10 shy of Coffee's 37), but pretty high probability to also have the highest total in 30 years (just 2 behind Makar's mark 2 years ago)

Zach Hyman has a realistic shot at the most goals ever - only 5 shy of Reggie Leach and Jari Kurri's 19.

I know records typically don't really mean a whole lot, but my point is that we have 4 guys performing at all time great levels. Not to mention RNH and his 20 points.

Our PP though not as potent as a couple of years ago, still one of the best ever for a team going to the finals (37.3%).

Our PK? Best ever for a team in the finals by quite a bit (93.9%).

I would say they probably have an edge in goal, but last year Bob fell off a cliff in the finals. And even this year, he has not been unbeatable. 7 of 17 under .900. Total for this year are .908%, 2.20GAA

Skinner has been bad at times, but his best games have been quite good. He's now climbed to .897% and 2.50GAA on the season, not too far off of goalie Bob. Over .900 in all but 1 game against the Stars including 2 great showings the last 2 games (.950, .971).

Both guys have shown inconsistency, but if Skinner plays anything close to how he did to close out the series against the Stars, it's a draw at worst regardless how Bob plays.

Where I think it swings in their favor is the bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4 D. We are just bleeding chances and goals against anytime they are out there. That said, the addition of Broberg so far is paying off in spades. Looking like a seasoned vet out there. His surprisingly good play could be a key factor in this series (stopping the continuous fire drills)

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 17:14

Knob just lost us all the Buffalo fans.

When asked if Florida's finals appearance last year gives them an advantage, he said to ask the Buffalo Bills how much the experience of finals appearances matter.

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Mike wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:39

I was almost as nervous about the Dallas series as I was for the Avs a couple of years ago.

I know the Panthers are a good team, but we do have some pretty OK hockey players over there too.


Purely in terms of offense, McDavid and Draisaitl are the best 1-2 in the history of the NHL. They sit 2 and 3 all time in PPG, and McDavid has a pretty good chance to break the record for most assists in a playoff season (5 away). Though he's unlikely to hit the mark for the most points ever in a playoff season (16 shy), both he and Draisaitl could easily finish around top 5 with the highest totals in over 30 years.

Evan Bouchard has an outside shot at the highest total ever for a Dman (10 shy of Coffee's 37), but pretty high probability to also have the highest total in 30 years (just 2 behind Makar's mark 2 years ago)

Zach Hyman has a realistic shot at the most goals ever - only 5 shy of Reggie Leach and Jari Kurri's 19.

I know records typically don't really mean a whole lot, but my point is that we have 4 guys performing at all time great levels. Not to mention RNH and his 20 points.

Our PP though not as potent as a couple of years ago, still one of the best ever for a team going to the finals (37.3%).

Our PK? Best ever for a team in the finals by quite a bit (93.9%).

I would say they probably have an edge in goal, but last year Bob fell off a cliff in the finals. And even this year, he has not been unbeatable. 7 of 17 under .900. Total for this year are .908%, 2.20GAA

Skinner has been bad at times, but his best games have been quite good. He's now climbed to .897% and 2.50GAA on the season, not too far off of goalie Bob. Over .900 in all but 1 game against the Stars including 2 great showings the last 2 games (.950, .971).

Both guys have shown inconsistency, but if Skinner plays anything close to how he did to close out the series against the Stars, it's a draw at worst regardless how Bob plays.

Where I think it swings in their favor is the bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4 D. We are just bleeding chances and goals against anytime they are out there. That said, the addition of Broberg so far is paying off in spades. Looking like a seasoned vet out there. His surprisingly good play could be a key factor in this series (stopping the continuous fire drills)



Bobrovsky is maybe similar in some ways to Skinner. His whole career he's had stretches of brilliance, and then swoons where he can't stop anything. It would be a lot of fun if he could have one of those swoons over the next two to three weeks.

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835654 is a reply to message #835650 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:04

benv wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 09:59

Moneypuck, which uses nothing but math to make its predictions has the Oilers as a very small favourite to win: 52.5% to 47.5%.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm




That's an interesting one! Florida has dominated possession 5v5 through the playoffs, and would expect them to get the thumbs up by more analytics models. However, looks like moneypuck does account for special teams quite a bit, which probably gives us a boost.

Do hope the refs aren't scared to make calls in the finals. Need the Knob to figure out some good strategies to counter the relentless Florida attack.


The refs are a really interesting storyline. Florida's kind of bullied their way through a lot of the first three rounds. They have so many dirtbag players. They have 207 penalty minutes so far, compared to 171 for the Oilers, 146 for the Rangers and just 92 for the Stars. Worth noting, that's slightly skewed by the fact that the Panthers and Bruins took a ton of misconducts against each other.

They've done a tremendous job on the kill at over 88%, but they haven't had to worry about a PP quite like the Oilers. Rangers were 24.0% in the playoffs, Bruins were 21.2%, and Lightning were 20.0%. Edmonton is humming along at 37.3%.

So does that mean they back off a little from that edge, in fear of the Oilers man advantage? Or do the refs just change the standard even more for the Finals and let full-scale mugging take place all over the ice?

Interesting looking at the stats, because the Panthers have almost two full minutes more of powerplay time than the Oilers through three rounds. Refs have called lots of penalties in their games, and relatively few in ours. The Oilers averaging the 13th most PP time/game in the post-season (although scoring on so many PPs might impact that number a bit too).

I think the oilers are the better team in a hockey game. But that may not be all that relevant. All the talk about the panthers 'physicality' and 'heaviness' just means that the expectation is that they'll be able to injure enough oilers to the point that they will be ineffective and that NHL refs will call 2 or 3 penalties/team regardless of what's actually happening on the ice. Again just get rid of these guys and call penalties with a random number generator.

I'm a bit concerned by any team that gets the pietrangelo treatment - ie no repercussions for blatantly trying to injure the other teams stars. I imagine they (correctly) assume they can do whatever they want.

Kane better be healthy for game 1.

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Jay wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:09

Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:04

benv wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 09:59

Moneypuck, which uses nothing but math to make its predictions has the Oilers as a very small favourite to win: 52.5% to 47.5%.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm




That's an interesting one! Florida has dominated possession 5v5 through the playoffs, and would expect them to get the thumbs up by more analytics models. However, looks like moneypuck does account for special teams quite a bit, which probably gives us a boost.

Do hope the refs aren't scared to make calls in the finals. Need the Knob to figure out some good strategies to counter the relentless Florida attack.


The refs are a really interesting storyline. Florida's kind of bullied their way through a lot of the first three rounds. They have so many dirtbag players. They have 207 penalty minutes so far, compared to 171 for the Oilers, 146 for the Rangers and just 92 for the Stars. Worth noting, that's slightly skewed by the fact that the Panthers and Bruins took a ton of misconducts against each other.

They've done a tremendous job on the kill at over 88%, but they haven't had to worry about a PP quite like the Oilers. Rangers were 24.0% in the playoffs, Bruins were 21.2%, and Lightning were 20.0%. Edmonton is humming along at 37.3%.

So does that mean they back off a little from that edge, in fear of the Oilers man advantage? Or do the refs just change the standard even more for the Finals and let full-scale mugging take place all over the ice?

Interesting looking at the stats, because the Panthers have almost two full minutes more of powerplay time than the Oilers through three rounds. Refs have called lots of penalties in their games, and relatively few in ours. The Oilers averaging the 13th most PP time/game in the post-season (although scoring on so many PPs might impact that number a bit too).

I think the oilers are the better team in a hockey game. But that may not be all that relevant. All the talk about the panthers 'physicality' and 'heaviness' just means that the expectation is that they'll be able to injure enough oilers to the point that they will be ineffective and that NHL refs will call 2 or 3 penalties/team regardless of what's actually happening on the ice. Again just get rid of these guys and call penalties with a random number generator.

I'm a bit concerned by any team that gets the pietrangelo treatment - ie no repercussions for blatantly trying to injure the other teams stars. I imagine they (correctly) assume they can do whatever they want.

Kane better be healthy for game 1.


I expect that Sam Bennett will do many despicable things. Probably Tkachuk too.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 14:14

Jay wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:09

Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:04

benv wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 09:59

Moneypuck, which uses nothing but math to make its predictions has the Oilers as a very small favourite to win: 52.5% to 47.5%.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm




That's an interesting one! Florida has dominated possession 5v5 through the playoffs, and would expect them to get the thumbs up by more analytics models. However, looks like moneypuck does account for special teams quite a bit, which probably gives us a boost.

Do hope the refs aren't scared to make calls in the finals. Need the Knob to figure out some good strategies to counter the relentless Florida attack.


The refs are a really interesting storyline. Florida's kind of bullied their way through a lot of the first three rounds. They have so many dirtbag players. They have 207 penalty minutes so far, compared to 171 for the Oilers, 146 for the Rangers and just 92 for the Stars. Worth noting, that's slightly skewed by the fact that the Panthers and Bruins took a ton of misconducts against each other.

They've done a tremendous job on the kill at over 88%, but they haven't had to worry about a PP quite like the Oilers. Rangers were 24.0% in the playoffs, Bruins were 21.2%, and Lightning were 20.0%. Edmonton is humming along at 37.3%.

So does that mean they back off a little from that edge, in fear of the Oilers man advantage? Or do the refs just change the standard even more for the Finals and let full-scale mugging take place all over the ice?

Interesting looking at the stats, because the Panthers have almost two full minutes more of powerplay time than the Oilers through three rounds. Refs have called lots of penalties in their games, and relatively few in ours. The Oilers averaging the 13th most PP time/game in the post-season (although scoring on so many PPs might impact that number a bit too).

I think the oilers are the better team in a hockey game. But that may not be all that relevant. All the talk about the panthers 'physicality' and 'heaviness' just means that the expectation is that they'll be able to injure enough oilers to the point that they will be ineffective and that NHL refs will call 2 or 3 penalties/team regardless of what's actually happening on the ice. Again just get rid of these guys and call penalties with a random number generator.

I'm a bit concerned by any team that gets the pietrangelo treatment - ie no repercussions for blatantly trying to injure the other teams stars. I imagine they (correctly) assume they can do whatever they want.

Kane better be healthy for game 1.


I expect that Sam Bennett will do many despicable things. Probably Tkachuk too.


Have Sam Carrick Bobby Clarke Tkachuk game 1. Everyone will attend his charity golf tournament at $500k/person this summer.

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Mike wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:36





Have Sam Carrick Bobby Clarke Tkachuk game 1.


I love that this sentence doesn't make any sense, but I completely understand it.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:14

Jay wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:09

Adam wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 10:04

benv wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 09:59

Moneypuck, which uses nothing but math to make its predictions has the Oilers as a very small favourite to win: 52.5% to 47.5%.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm




That's an interesting one! Florida has dominated possession 5v5 through the playoffs, and would expect them to get the thumbs up by more analytics models. However, looks like moneypuck does account for special teams quite a bit, which probably gives us a boost.

Do hope the refs aren't scared to make calls in the finals. Need the Knob to figure out some good strategies to counter the relentless Florida attack.


The refs are a really interesting storyline. Florida's kind of bullied their way through a lot of the first three rounds. They have so many dirtbag players. They have 207 penalty minutes so far, compared to 171 for the Oilers, 146 for the Rangers and just 92 for the Stars. Worth noting, that's slightly skewed by the fact that the Panthers and Bruins took a ton of misconducts against each other.

They've done a tremendous job on the kill at over 88%, but they haven't had to worry about a PP quite like the Oilers. Rangers were 24.0% in the playoffs, Bruins were 21.2%, and Lightning were 20.0%. Edmonton is humming along at 37.3%.

So does that mean they back off a little from that edge, in fear of the Oilers man advantage? Or do the refs just change the standard even more for the Finals and let full-scale mugging take place all over the ice?

Interesting looking at the stats, because the Panthers have almost two full minutes more of powerplay time than the Oilers through three rounds. Refs have called lots of penalties in their games, and relatively few in ours. The Oilers averaging the 13th most PP time/game in the post-season (although scoring on so many PPs might impact that number a bit too).

I think the oilers are the better team in a hockey game. But that may not be all that relevant. All the talk about the panthers 'physicality' and 'heaviness' just means that the expectation is that they'll be able to injure enough oilers to the point that they will be ineffective and that NHL refs will call 2 or 3 penalties/team regardless of what's actually happening on the ice. Again just get rid of these guys and call penalties with a random number generator.

I'm a bit concerned by any team that gets the pietrangelo treatment - ie no repercussions for blatantly trying to injure the other teams stars. I imagine they (correctly) assume they can do whatever they want.

Kane better be healthy for game 1.


I expect that Sam Bennett will do many despicable things. Probably Tkachuk too.


Hope we still have angry Nurse in the finals. He can beat up on any of these brats.

If the refs are serious about not turning the finals into a clown show, it really shouldn't take long for Florida to start worrying about going over lines and having to deal with our powerplay. I was surprised at how quiet Benn was in the Dallas series. I think Dallas was very seriously concerned about taking penalties against us. Almost nothing dirty happened that whole series. Not that Dallas has lots of nasty customers, but Benn has rarely been affraid of trying to spark his team by being a scumbag.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 15:01

Mike wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:36





Have Sam Carrick Bobby Clarke Tkachuk game 1.


I love that this sentence doesn't make any sense, but I completely understand it.


icon_lol Not my best wordsmithing. Moving pictures should help

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Mike wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 16:00

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 15:01

Mike wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 11:36





Have Sam Carrick Bobby Clarke Tkachuk game 1.


I love that this sentence doesn't make any sense, but I completely understand it.


icon_lol Not my best wordsmithing. Moving pictures should help

https://youtu.be/qRlnqthpTbM?si=k4svAEO70C_NvFTU


Must be an East Coast thing, cause I didn't question that sentence at all. lol

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The new media narrative seems to be that barkov is now the "best two way player in the game". What nonsense. If they want to argue he's the best defensive forwards then sure give him another selke. But last time I checked two way means like both ways.. offense and defense. Barkov has one 90+ point season. His defense doesn't come close to making up the disparity between that and the offensive numbers put up by 97 or 29. Its like comparing lemieux to guy carboneau.

97 is the best two way forward in hockey and barkov is quickly becoming the most over rated.

I hate the panthers already lol

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Jay wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 11:28

The new media narrative seems to be that barkov is now the "best two way player in the game". What nonsense. If they want to argue he's the best defensive forwards then sure give him another selke. But last time I checked two way means like both ways.. offense and defense. Barkov has one 90+ point season. His defense doesn't come close to making up the disparity between that and the offensive numbers put up by 97 or 29. Its like comparing lemieux to guy carboneau.

97 is the best two way forward in hockey and barkov is quickly becoming the most over rated.

I hate the panthers already lol


If you read some of the articles being written about "the numbers" and all the talk about the Panthers and how many people picked the Panthers, I am not sure why they bother to play the series. Save money on travel and just forfeit, the Oilers don't stand a chance apparently.

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Jay wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 11:28

The new media narrative seems to be that barkov is now the "best two way player in the game". What nonsense. If they want to argue he's the best defensive forwards then sure give him another selke. But last time I checked two way means like both ways.. offense and defense. Barkov has one 90+ point season. His defense doesn't come close to making up the disparity between that and the offensive numbers put up by 97 or 29. Its like comparing lemieux to guy carboneau.

97 is the best two way forward in hockey and barkov is quickly becoming the most over rated.

I hate the panthers already lol


Your view is not shared by everyone:

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/greg-co te/article288962840.html

I LOVE that this came out this week.

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835681 is a reply to message #835679 ]
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I hope they have a bunch of this stuff printed out and sitting on the seats of their flight to Miami. Just light reading for the flight

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835685 is a reply to message #835562 ]
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From our old friend Willis on Twitter (X)....

Dallas was the most disciplined team in the playoffs. Florida is much more likely to take penalties. I know the Panthers PK is good, but there's a "slight" difference between shutting down NYR (8.5 goals/60) and EDM (14.5 goals/60)

I'm also not convinced FLA is some 5v5 juggernaut by comparison to EDM. Expected goals% and NHL regular season:
1. EDM: 57%
3. EDM's R3 opp: 55%
4. EDM's R1 opp: 55%
5. FLA: 54%
8. EDMs' R2 opp: 52%
18. FLA's R2 opp: 50%
21. FLA R1 opp: 49%
22. FLA's F3 opp: 49%

In other words, this is the first time in the playoffs that Florida will face an opponent that was better than 50/50 by expected goals in the regular season. Edmonton has already beat two teams who had superior totals to the Panthers.

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The games aren't played on paper or in spreadsheets, but when I see those analysts who value the numbers picking the Oilers, I agree. I mean, we've all been watching the Oilers this season. The Oilers only lose when the Oilers beat themselves. And, if Connor and Leon want this bad enough (and are healthy enough) I don't think there's anyone gonna stop them.

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I know when we get to next Saturday and there's a home SCF game in Edmonton this wait will have been worth it but there could have been a game last night.

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Just enjoy these 2 weeks and potentially 7 games.


...and don't look at capfriendly.. just... just don't... enjoy yourself.. this is a secretly encoded message and if you can see this, DON'T LOOK AT CAPFRIENDLY of the Oilers next season because holy crap, a lot of UFA's and 9M to spend - YIKES.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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 Re: STANLEY CUP FINALS - EDM Oilers vs FLA Panthers [message #835691 is a reply to message #835562 ]
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From the Oilers first practice in Florida today, here are the expected lines for game 1:

RNH McDavid Hyman
Kane Draisaitl Holloway
Janmark Henrique Brown
Foegele McLeod Perry

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Ceci
Broberg Kulak

Skinner

Some surprise there with the reinsertion of Foegele and both Carrick and Ryan being scratched. I'm guessing many won't like the reunion of Nurse and Ceci either. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

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benv wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 14:15

From the Oilers first practice in Florida today, here are the expected lines for game 1:

RNH McDavid Hyman
Kane Draisaitl Holloway
Janmark Henrique Brown
Foegele McLeod Perry

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Ceci
Broberg Kulak

Skinner

Some surprise there with the reinsertion of Foegele and both Carrick and Ryan being scratched. I'm guessing many won't like the reunion of Nurse and Ceci either. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

From my perspective, the team is in the finals using these players, especially Nurse - Ceci. I know a lot of fans using the free info they look up on some website sites, think they know more about who to play and who not than the coaches. But I am going to defer to the coaches that, from mid November had had them as being one of the best teams including defensively in the NHL. They have improved in the playoffs.

So I am going to assume the coaching staff know what they are doing, they have better information considering they have a staff of paid professionals doing it vs the free stuff any fan can look up on a website and they probably spend way more than the 5-10 mins total a fan will do looking at these stats.

So if they think that helps them win a game, I will believe them.

For Foegele. After missing 3 games in a row, if he doesn't come out like he was shot out a cabin, he's got problems.

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Should Knob pull a MacT and play Campbell as backup for game 1 so he can get his name on the cup? icon_biggrin

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:11

Should Knob pull a MacT and play Campbell as backup for game 1 so he can get his name on the cup? icon_biggrin

Too soon

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Jay wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:31

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:11

Should Knob pull a MacT and play Campbell as backup for game 1 so he can get his name on the cup? icon_biggrin

Too soon

In fairness MacT was rotating backup goalies for the whole playoffs. Still though…

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I'm calling it. A Game 6, Summer Solstice cup win for the Oilers @ Rogers. Sun will still be up.

So this is what hope feels like?

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I should be more excited about this series.

Everything being normal I would be, but this...stuff (keep the filter happy) with my wife just makes everything other than that just feel like...I dunno...extraneous.

Win it for Joey. For Ben. For Angie.

Sorry, don't want to be a downer in this thread. Lets Go Oilers!

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 09:04

I know when we get to next Saturday and there's a home SCF game in Edmonton this wait will have been worth it but there could have been a game last night.

I was thinking that it was weird to have the two-day break between Games 2 and 3, but then I remembered the travel time required between the two cities. It is kinda cool that each team gets a home game on a Saturday night in the SCF.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:47

Jay wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:31

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 18:11

Should Knob pull a MacT and play Campbell as backup for game 1 so he can get his name on the cup? icon_biggrin

Too soon

In fairness MacT was rotating backup goalies for the whole playoffs. Still though…


Who even does that? Talk about taking a role in the lineup for granted. Bit the team in the worst possible way in the end.

Oh well. Now to good times!

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 07 June 2024 20:00

I should be more excited about this series.

Everything being normal I would be, but this...stuff (keep the filter happy) with my wife just makes everything other than that just feel like...I dunno...extraneous.

Win it for Joey. For Ben. For Angie.

Sorry, don't want to be a downer in this thread. Lets Go Oilers!

Yeah real life has a way of putting entertainment and sports into perspective pretty quickly. The reality is that these things are given such an elevated place in society precisely to distract people from things that actually matter (bread and circus and all of that). It is fun but also it's never a bad thing to have a fresh reminder of that fact and focus on what is really important.

Hope your wife is ok soon.

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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 05 June 2024 08:59

I read the Athletic article this morning, and it's even worse than that. It's 16/17 current NHL coaches think it's going to Florida, most in 6, the rest in 7.
Then, only 3 execs or scouts think the oilers will win.

That means 4/33 League professionals think the oilers will do it. Most cite Florida having been here last year and playing a heavy game.

Underdogs.

And for the record only 8/22 ESPN/ABC folks picked the oilers, Mess says it in 7 games.

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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draisaitl-avoids-suspension-barkov-mi ght-play-in-game-3-of-stanley-cup-final-1.2133416

Draisaitl avoids suspension…honestly was a joke it was even considered or talked about lol. Wouldn’t even be a game in the regular let alone the SCF

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Gator21 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 20:18

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draisaitl-avoids-suspension-barkov-mi ght-play-in-game-3-of-stanley-cup-final-1.2133416

Draisaitl avoids suspension…honestly was a joke it was even considered or talked about lol. Wouldn’t even be a game in the regular let alone the SCF


Compared to what Trouba was allowed to get away with this playoff.. its a joke it was even considered..

Here is Trouba's elbow on Rodrigues.. intent.. plus sticking out the elbow directly to head.. all Trouba got was a 2 minute... then a 5k fine.. NHL has its favourites.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 21:52

Gator21 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 20:18

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draisaitl-avoids-suspension-barkov-mi ght-play-in-game-3-of-stanley-cup-final-1.2133416

Draisaitl avoids suspension…honestly was a joke it was even considered or talked about lol. Wouldn’t even be a game in the regular let alone the SCF


Compared to what Trouba was allowed to get away with this playoff.. its a joke it was even considered.. here is Trouba's elbow on Rodrigues.. all Trouba got was a 2 minute... NHL has its favourites.

https://i.imgur.com/jWZP0I0.gif


Man, what a pickup Rodrigues was. Analytics darling that kept bouncing around teams. Really showing the goods in the finals.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 21:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 21:52

Gator21 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 20:18

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draisaitl-avoids-suspension-barkov-mi ght-play-in-game-3-of-stanley-cup-final-1.2133416

Draisaitl avoids suspension…honestly was a joke it was even considered or talked about lol. Wouldn’t even be a game in the regular let alone the SCF


Compared to what Trouba was allowed to get away with this playoff.. its a joke it was even considered.. here is Trouba's elbow on Rodrigues.. all Trouba got was a 2 minute... NHL has its favourites.

https://i.imgur.com/jWZP0I0.gif


Man, what a pickup Rodrigues was. Analytics darling that kept bouncing around teams. Really showing the goods in the finals.

Completely ridiculous. The fact that there were media hacks putting it out there as a legitimate conversation or that the NHL was actually considering it is wild. Off the charts gaslighting - just have to laugh.

Remember St Bennett on Marchand?

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Jay wrote on Wed, 12 June 2024 08:28

Completely ridiculous. The fact that there were media hacks putting it out there as a legitimate conversation or that the NHL was actually considering it is wild. Off the charts gaslighting - just have to laugh.

Remember St Bennett on Marchand?


There's more media than players left in the Finals. Of course, they're gonna talk about it. They're gonna talk about every little thing in an attempt to keep our eyes/ears on their station/web site. It's just like the first week of the season when we/they over-react to everything.

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Florida decided to not follow the NHL's request to fly to Edmonton yesterday and are now delayed in Florida today due to weather.

Hopefully they are exhausted and come into Edmonton at 3am tonight. Even better, they have to fly tomorrow morning and suit up for the game hours after landing :)

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Emily Kaplan @emilymkaplan
Hearing the Panthers plane just took off after several delays in South Florida. They won’t get into Edmonton until late Wednesday night.

Thursday has an early puck drop, 6:20 MT.

The Oilers flew Tuesday and will get two full nights at home ahead of Game 3.


Hectic 24 hours for Florida before the game tomorrow. Excuses will be at a minimum for the Oilers in game 3. Need to take a game over and not choke our chances.

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So, between the Oilers being down 2-0 and the crazy weather they're getting in South Florida for the next week, I'm a little bit worried that my trip to Game 5 is gonna be a dud or not happen at all. Hopefully, the boys can reduce my stress down to just weather-related shenanigans after this evening.

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