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Adam wrote on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:48

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:33

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:14



Mind-boggling that the Canucks wouldn't have waited to see if he could be LTIRed rather than taking on that massive buyout forever. I wonder if it signals an attempt at something large this summer?

I wonder if the Canucks tried. The two obvious options before a looong buyout are the LTIR route and trading him away with 50% retained. Clearly he's not an 8 or even 4 million dollar defenseman, but maybe someone would take him at $2M (two trades, each at 50% retained). I'd want to avoid having 8 years of dead cap space at all costs.

I'd love for someone to do the work to find out how many of the retained money slots are being used right now. I have the suspicion that those are going to become very valuable for bad teams in the near future.



Even if the player wasn't ready to accept that he was LTIR-bound, his injury history the last couple years means it wouldn't be long before he's forced there again. How long does he want to keep floundering? Not to mention, he would have been paid all his money if he went that route, rather than 2/3rds of it in a buyout spaced over double the time. If he spends a bunch of next year on the shelf or in the minors, how long until he agrees that it's best if he were sitting at home collecting cheques instead?

The only way I can make any sense of it is if the Canucks feel they needed his money freed up THIS summer - although if they think they're about to contend...well, they're more optimistic about their chances than I am!

Who knows. The owner might have just been annoyed that this guy stole 10 million from him last season and decided OEL needed to be off the books before he did it again. Personally I think it's absolutely insane to think that the Canucks wanted to have a 4.6 cap hit 3 & 4 seasons from now but I'm also pretty happy knowing we can scratch them off the competition list for the next two seasons.

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I really hope Ryan Suter gets bought out.
Minisota pays him $833,000 until 28-29, then Dallas would have to pay him $733,000 for 2 years then 1.4 mil for 2 years.
Can we sign him for league min instead of OEL?

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 19 June 2023 15:14

I really hope Ryan Suter gets bought out.
Minisota pays him $833,000 until 28-29, then Dallas would have to pay him $733,000 for 2 years then 1.4 mil for 2 years.
Can we sign him for league min instead of OEL?


I seem to recall Canada being a no-way for Suter when he was available. Seems like a guy that'll end up signing cheap in Boston or something.

Would love to add him though for sure. Would stay away from OEL. Busted up players should be avoided for spots where you need some reliable depth.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 19 June 2023 15:14

I really hope Ryan Suter gets bought out.
Minisota pays him $833,000 until 28-29, then Dallas would have to pay him $733,000 for 2 years then 1.4 mil for 2 years.
Can we sign him for league min instead of OEL?

Is there rumors he will get bought out again?

If I was him, I would be all over that. He's 38, supposedly made over 111 mill in career earnings. Take the buy out and just retire.

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With a bunch of Flames apparently on the way out of Calgary, here comes this story:

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“It’s funny that you bring this up today,” said Friedman, after Marek posed a question about if the Oilers were responsible for the Flames’ downfall, “because last season I was talking about that series with a member of the Oilers.
“They actually told me this story off the record when they first told me, so I never said anything. They actually texted me — I didn’t ask — today and said ‘remember that story I told you?’ and I said ‘Oh yeah.’ And he goes ‘if you want to keep my name out of it, you can tell the story.’
“They said when the Oilers were winning that series, that became a bit of a rallying cry for them, that they knew if they won that series, they could possibly break up the Flames.
“I think there’s something to it, I really do. I do. I’ll tell you something else that teaches me. It reached me about the elite of the elite. It’s not always the nicest thing to hear or say, but if you want to be the best, I think you can be a very nice person off the ice, or the field, or whatever competitive arena you’re in, but I think trying to win, you have to see the person between you and whatever trophy you’re trying to win as someone you have to do that to. When the competition is over, you can shake hands and be cordial, but when the competition is on, there’s no room for mercy.
“I would bet you a lot of players on those Oilers and Flames teams, they really like and respect each other and have relationships off the ice, but in that series, it’s clear to me from what that player said, that the Oilers weren’t just about winning that series. They were about ‘do we break up these Flames?'”



This story would be a little more entertaining to me if we weren't 1-2 years out from the exact same situation as Calgary. Teams in the playoffs next year are going to be hoping that if they knock us out, they'll have contributed to the end of the McDavid/Draisaitl era in Edmonton.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 23 June 2023 17:22

With a bunch of Flames apparently on the way out of Calgary, here comes this story:

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“It’s funny that you bring this up today,” said Friedman, after Marek posed a question about if the Oilers were responsible for the Flames’ downfall, “because last season I was talking about that series with a member of the Oilers.
“They actually told me this story off the record when they first told me, so I never said anything. They actually texted me — I didn’t ask — today and said ‘remember that story I told you?’ and I said ‘Oh yeah.’ And he goes ‘if you want to keep my name out of it, you can tell the story.’
“They said when the Oilers were winning that series, that became a bit of a rallying cry for them, that they knew if they won that series, they could possibly break up the Flames.
“I think there’s something to it, I really do. I do. I’ll tell you something else that teaches me. It reached me about the elite of the elite. It’s not always the nicest thing to hear or say, but if you want to be the best, I think you can be a very nice person off the ice, or the field, or whatever competitive arena you’re in, but I think trying to win, you have to see the person between you and whatever trophy you’re trying to win as someone you have to do that to. When the competition is over, you can shake hands and be cordial, but when the competition is on, there’s no room for mercy.
“I would bet you a lot of players on those Oilers and Flames teams, they really like and respect each other and have relationships off the ice, but in that series, it’s clear to me from what that player said, that the Oilers weren’t just about winning that series. They were about ‘do we break up these Flames?'”



This story would be a little more entertaining to me if we weren't 1-2 years out from the exact same situation as Calgary. Teams in the playoffs next year are going to be hoping that if they knock us out, they'll have contributed to the end of the McDavid/Draisaitl era in Edmonton.


With all the crap Tkachuk got up to with us, wouldn't surprise me if it was Kassian :)

And it worked. A cup win may have been the only way Gaudreau and Tkachuk even considered to stick around. All down hill after that series.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 23 June 2023 19:45

Adam wrote on Fri, 23 June 2023 17:22

With a bunch of Flames apparently on the way out of Calgary, here comes this story:

Quote:

“It’s funny that you bring this up today,” said Friedman, after Marek posed a question about if the Oilers were responsible for the Flames’ downfall, “because last season I was talking about that series with a member of the Oilers.
“They actually told me this story off the record when they first told me, so I never said anything. They actually texted me — I didn’t ask — today and said ‘remember that story I told you?’ and I said ‘Oh yeah.’ And he goes ‘if you want to keep my name out of it, you can tell the story.’
“They said when the Oilers were winning that series, that became a bit of a rallying cry for them, that they knew if they won that series, they could possibly break up the Flames.
“I think there’s something to it, I really do. I do. I’ll tell you something else that teaches me. It reached me about the elite of the elite. It’s not always the nicest thing to hear or say, but if you want to be the best, I think you can be a very nice person off the ice, or the field, or whatever competitive arena you’re in, but I think trying to win, you have to see the person between you and whatever trophy you’re trying to win as someone you have to do that to. When the competition is over, you can shake hands and be cordial, but when the competition is on, there’s no room for mercy.
“I would bet you a lot of players on those Oilers and Flames teams, they really like and respect each other and have relationships off the ice, but in that series, it’s clear to me from what that player said, that the Oilers weren’t just about winning that series. They were about ‘do we break up these Flames?'”



This story would be a little more entertaining to me if we weren't 1-2 years out from the exact same situation as Calgary. Teams in the playoffs next year are going to be hoping that if they knock us out, they'll have contributed to the end of the McDavid/Draisaitl era in Edmonton.


With all the crap Tkachuk got up to with us, wouldn't surprise me if it was Kassian :)

And it worked. A cup win may have been the only way Gaudreau and Tkachuk even considered to stick around. All down hill after that series.


Apparently...Johnny wanted to stay but the "car ride" he had with his wife leading up to the wee hours of July 1st, 2022 resulted in her wanting him closer to home.....

And I honestly think Matty would've stayed if his linemate did too

Still, keeping those two would've delayed the inevitable with other parts of the core being shipped off for cap compliance reasons....and those two eventually requesting trades thereafter as well

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Yeesh...Avs get Ryan Johansen for 50% off while only netting a return of Alex Galchenyuk?

Wish the Preds could've retained more of Matthias Ekholm's contract...

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 10:30

Yeesh...Avs get Ryan Johansen for 50% off while only netting a return of Alex Galchenyuk?

Wish the Preds could've retained more of Matthias Ekholm's contract...


Galchenyuk is UFA in a few days.. RyJo was effectively traded for nothing except 4M cap relief.
True, might've been nice if Nashville retained more, but Ekholm is a legit #1 NHL D-man.. would've been hard to get a better deal, especially at the trade deadline where his value is highest.. RyJo was a cap dump.

RyJo smells like he could be a Kyle Turris move... Avs betting 4M in cap on it.

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LA just dumped Durzi to Arizona for a 2nd rounder.. Durzi was only 1 more year at 1.7M

LA has 9M in cap space now.. but need to sign a goaltender.. only have 16 of 23 roster spots under contract.. up to something?

Maybe Yamo can get back a pick? .. a 3rd?

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 15:03

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 10:30

Yeesh...Avs get Ryan Johansen for 50% off while only netting a return of Alex Galchenyuk?

Wish the Preds could've retained more of Matthias Ekholm's contract...


Galchenyuk is UFA in a few days.. RyJo was effectively traded for nothing except 4M cap relief.
True, might've been nice if Nashville retained more, but Ekholm is a legit #1 NHL D-man.. would've been hard to get a better deal, especially at the trade deadline where his value is highest.. RyJo was a cap dump.

RyJo smells like he could be a Kyle Turris move... Avs betting 4M in cap on it.


Basically a buyout but this way they cut the term in half. What we all dream we could do instead of buying guys out.

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 14:32

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 15:03

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 10:30

Yeesh...Avs get Ryan Johansen for 50% off while only netting a return of Alex Galchenyuk?

Wish the Preds could've retained more of Matthias Ekholm's contract...


Galchenyuk is UFA in a few days.. RyJo was effectively traded for nothing except 4M cap relief.
True, might've been nice if Nashville retained more, but Ekholm is a legit #1 NHL D-man.. would've been hard to get a better deal, especially at the trade deadline where his value is highest.. RyJo was a cap dump.

RyJo smells like he could be a Kyle Turris move... Avs betting 4M in cap on it.


Basically a buyout but this way they cut the term in half. What we all dream we could do instead of buying guys out.


You dump a cap hit like that you need a guy that's feeling lucky to deal with.. Avs taking a bet on RyJo turning it around.. could be a sucka bet.. or roll sixes..

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 16:58

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 14:32

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 15:03

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 24 June 2023 10:30

Yeesh...Avs get Ryan Johansen for 50% off while only netting a return of Alex Galchenyuk?

Wish the Preds could've retained more of Matthias Ekholm's contract...


Galchenyuk is UFA in a few days.. RyJo was effectively traded for nothing except 4M cap relief.
True, might've been nice if Nashville retained more, but Ekholm is a legit #1 NHL D-man.. would've been hard to get a better deal, especially at the trade deadline where his value is highest.. RyJo was a cap dump.

RyJo smells like he could be a Kyle Turris move... Avs betting 4M in cap on it.


Basically a buyout but this way they cut the term in half. What we all dream we could do instead of buying guys out.


You dump a cap hit like that you need a guy that's feeling lucky to deal with.. Avs taking a bet on RyJo turning it around.. could be a sucka bet.. or roll sixes..


RyJo always rubbed me as a guy with coveted size and high end talent up the middle...right shot too...though never really came off as super motivated. We'll see what side of him comes out with the Avs...

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LeBrun saying Krug was in the trade talks between St. Louis and Phili.. but doesn't want to go.. delaying trade for Hayes.. wow.. didn't see Krug going anywhere.. of all the D-men in St. Louis that could be moved, I thought he was the the one that they'd keep..

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If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 09:54

If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.


If I'm the Jets, I don't settle for the rumored package of ONLY Vilardi and Iafallo....I hold out for Byfield on top of a RD prospect as well.

Too bad they couldn't get Durzi in the package as he was previously shipped off to the Coyotes for a 2nd rounder

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 09:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 09:54

If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.


If I'm the Jets, I don't settle for the rumored package of ONLY Vilardi and Iafallo....I hold out for Byfield on top of a RD prospect as well.

Too bad they couldn't get Durzi in the package as he was previously shipped off to the Coyotes for a 2nd rounder


I think Iafalo and Vilardi are pretty good players.

Byfield in 53 games had 3 goals, 22 pts.

Iafalo is 29 and a good top 9 forward who in 59 games had 14 goals, 36 pts. That's a 20 goal, 50 pt season. Over his career, he's been pretty consistent at high teens in goals 35+ pts.

Vilardi in 63 games had 22G, 41 pts in his second year. That's a 30 goal 53 pts pace. He skates well, aggressive on the puck. Seems like a pretty good player.

Byfield is 20 so there is a chance he could improve but playing in their top 6, he sure looked like he is a long ways from being a top 6 guy.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 08:54

If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.


Dubois is a very good player.

He's left a bad situation where he and the coach weren't seeing eye to eye in Columbus. Tortorella is a notoriously difficult coach to work with, and he didn't outlast Dubois by very long. It's worth noting that Dubois was traded for Laine - so it's not like he was just let go by Columbus. To this point, I probably give the Blue Jackets the win in that deal because they also got Roslovic, so even with Laine having some injury issues there, they have got 254 points out of that deal to Dubois' 143 in the three years since. The extra piece for Winnipeg was a 3rd round pick who was still in the OHL last year but it's not looking like he'll be an impact guy. Worth noting, both Laine and Roslovic had asked to get out of Winnipeg, so it's possible the Jets were in the weaker negotiating position. (Also interesting to me is that Laine's actually been VERY good in the last two years as a Blue Jacket. 108 points in 111 games. Minus player, but significantly better than many others on the team - he was -12 to Gaudreau's -33 last year for instance. The narrative on him has been that he's been a disappointment, but the stats don't really bear that out. I wonder if some team doesn't get him at a bargain rate at some point.)

With Winnipeg, he wants out, but again, that team has been a mess and virtually everyone wants to start fresh. Bowness - statistically one of the worst coaches of all-time - was throwing his players under the bus at the end of the season after losing a round where they weren't expected to win and where they were short several players from injuries, so it's hard to blame anyone for looking for an exit there.

While I would rather have Laine than Dubois, he's a pretty solid player.

All that said, I'm curious what the full deal looks like. Iafallo put up 36 points in 59 games last year. Vilardi is only 23 (24 in August) and put up 41 in 63 games last season (Dubois was 63 in 73 games). If the Kings are getting nothing else back, then this is one that could look lopsided against them in the future. Vilardi is probably slightly cheaper than Dubois on their next contracts, so there's a bit of a cap savings for LA maybe, but unless they spend that to add another solid winger, I don't see this as a clear win for them. Vilardi could potentially be scoring at the same rate as Dubois next year at a cheaper rate! All that of course is caveated on not knowing what else is in the deal. If the Jets also give a good pick or prospect, then it's a little closer.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 10:47

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 09:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 09:54

If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.


If I'm the Jets, I don't settle for the rumored package of ONLY Vilardi and Iafallo....I hold out for Byfield on top of a RD prospect as well.

Too bad they couldn't get Durzi in the package as he was previously shipped off to the Coyotes for a 2nd rounder


I think Iafalo and Vilardi are pretty good players.

Byfield in 53 games had 3 goals, 22 pts.

Iafalo is 29 and a good top 9 forward who in 59 games had 14 goals, 36 pts. That's a 20 goal, 50 pt season. Over his career, he's been pretty consistent at high teens in goals 35+ pts.

Vilardi in 63 games had 22G, 41 pts in his second year. That's a 30 goal 53 pts pace. He skates well, aggressive on the puck. Seems like a pretty good player.

Byfield is 20 so there is a chance he could improve but playing in their top 6, he sure looked like he is a long ways from being a top 6 guy.


Jury is still out on whether Vilardi can put up those numbers consistently as a reliable cornerstone of the top 6 not to mention WPG needs a 1st/2nd line calibre center....can Vilardi be as productive switching back to his natural position at the NHL level from being a complimentary winger?

Byfield's skating presence alone kind of scared me against the Oilers...his finishing and playmaking isn't quite there yet but the eye test indicates that it's improving...plus he's consistently at the right place at the right time so his development is progressing faster than I'd like on a division rival.

Iafalo is more of a productive 3rd line winger as verdict is still out on how consistent he can be heading into the future....

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If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.


If I'm the Jets, I don't settle for the rumored package of ONLY Vilardi and Iafallo....I hold out for Byfield on top of a RD prospect as well.

Too bad they couldn't get Durzi in the package as he was previously shipped off to the Coyotes for a 2nd rounder


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Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:50

Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.


I'm a little surprised Chicago wasn't on his 10-team no-trade list...

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Give the fall of Chicago and their decline has been happening for a few years now, how the hell did he not have them on his no trade list? What teams does he think are worse than Chicago?

That's funny. To answer any potential questions. No I would not bring back Hall if Chicago wanted to flip him, even if they retained 50%.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:50

Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.


LOLLLLLLLLLL

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Holy crap, Foligno included in the deal too. Which Bruins exec's first born child was included to get the Hawks to take both of them! I guess Foligno is just his rights but I am sure the Bruins are getting nothing back for them.

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The trade is:

Hall and the rights to Foligno

for the rights to RFA's Ian Mitchell and Alec Regula.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:50

Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.


I'm a little surprised Chicago wasn't on his 10-team no-trade list...


Took extra cash to not get a full NMC. Guess these are the consequences. He's not winning crap in the last 2 years of his deal now. Not that his curse would have allowed him to in Boston anyway :)

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how many first overalls is Hall going to play with?

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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:50

Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.


I'm a little surprised Chicago wasn't on his 10-team no-trade list...


Boston is going to be bad next year too, besides, if you are a giant loser, what is the difference between doing it in Boston or Chicago?

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:09

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:50

Taylor Hall is going to be going to Chicago.


I'm a little surprised Chicago wasn't on his 10-team no-trade list...


Took extra cash to not get a full NMC. Guess these are the consequences. He's not winning crap in the last 2 years of his deal now. Not that his curse would have allowed him to in Boston anyway :)


Here it is:

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Chris Johnston
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The #blackhawks were not among the 16 teams listed on Taylor Hall's no-trade list so Boston was able to complete this deal without his consent.

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Hallsy got to pick half the teams in the league and didn't have the Hawks on it? Yeesh, that's a fail.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:11

how many first overalls is Hall going to play with?


https://media.tenor.com/bxbNVgs9MXkAAAAM/angry-gary-oldman.gif


who knows, maybe Hall specifically requested to play with Connor 2.0.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:03

Holy crap, Foligno included in the deal too. Which Bruins exec's first born child was included to get the Hawks to take both of them! I guess Foligno is just his rights but I am sure the Bruins are getting nothing back for them.


Foligno is UFA, so it just gets Chicago a little extra one-on-one negotiating time. Nothing exciting there.

Bruins cleared $6MM in cap space and got a couple of okay defence prospects. Word is that they really wanted to sign Bertuzzi after he led the team in playoff scoring, and they felt that meant they needed space.

I expect that they must be trying to convince Bergeron and Krejci to give it one more year too.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:03

Holy crap, Foligno included in the deal too. Which Bruins exec's first born child was included to get the Hawks to take both of them! I guess Foligno is just his rights but I am sure the Bruins are getting nothing back for them.


Foligno is UFA, so it just gets Chicago a little extra one-on-one negotiating time. Nothing exciting there.

Bruins cleared $6MM in cap space and got a couple of okay defence prospects. Word is that they really wanted to sign Bertuzzi after he led the team in playoff scoring, and they felt that meant they needed space.

I expect that they must be trying to convince Bergeron and Krejci to give it one more year too.


So, what your saying is Adam Larsson is way more valuable than Taylor Hall.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 12:58

Give the fall of Chicago and their decline has been happening for a few years now, how the hell did he not have them on his no trade list? What teams does he think are worse than Chicago?

That's funny. To answer any potential questions. No I would not bring back Hall if Chicago wanted to flip him, even if they retained 50%.



If he was not a left handed shot I would gladly have him in Edmonton. I would also trade Kane for Hall if we could switch out left handed wingers. Hall would be an absolute bargain at 50% retained.

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:23

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:03

Holy crap, Foligno included in the deal too. Which Bruins exec's first born child was included to get the Hawks to take both of them! I guess Foligno is just his rights but I am sure the Bruins are getting nothing back for them.


Foligno is UFA, so it just gets Chicago a little extra one-on-one negotiating time. Nothing exciting there.

Bruins cleared $6MM in cap space and got a couple of okay defence prospects. Word is that they really wanted to sign Bertuzzi after he led the team in playoff scoring, and they felt that meant they needed space.

I expect that they must be trying to convince Bergeron and Krejci to give it one more year too.


So, what your saying is Adam Larsson is way more valuable than Taylor Hall.

Right now? Probably.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:14

Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:11

how many first overalls is Hall going to play with?


https://media.tenor.com/bxbNVgs9MXkAAAAM/angry-gary-oldman.gif


who knows, maybe Hall specifically requested to play with Connor 2.0.


It's an impressive list - including himself, here are all the 1st overalls whose first game he was on the ice for:

- Taylor Hall
- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
- Nail Yakupov
- Connor McDavid
- Nico Hischier
- Jack Hughes
- Connor Bedard (soon)

I will say, I don't like the signalling from Chicago that they're going to try to be competitive here. I thought the bargain was that you have to agree to suck for at least a half-decade or so if you're getting a McDavid-level player?

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Adam wrote on Fri, 23 June 2023 17:22

With a bunch of Flames apparently on the way out of Calgary, here comes this story:

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“It’s funny that you bring this up today,” said Friedman, after Marek posed a question about if the Oilers were responsible for the Flames’ downfall, “because last season I was talking about that series with a member of the Oilers.
“They actually told me this story off the record when they first told me, so I never said anything. They actually texted me — I didn’t ask — today and said ‘remember that story I told you?’ and I said ‘Oh yeah.’ And he goes ‘if you want to keep my name out of it, you can tell the story.’
“They said when the Oilers were winning that series, that became a bit of a rallying cry for them, that they knew if they won that series, they could possibly break up the Flames.
“I think there’s something to it, I really do. I do. I’ll tell you something else that teaches me. It reached me about the elite of the elite. It’s not always the nicest thing to hear or say, but if you want to be the best, I think you can be a very nice person off the ice, or the field, or whatever competitive arena you’re in, but I think trying to win, you have to see the person between you and whatever trophy you’re trying to win as someone you have to do that to. When the competition is over, you can shake hands and be cordial, but when the competition is on, there’s no room for mercy.
“I would bet you a lot of players on those Oilers and Flames teams, they really like and respect each other and have relationships off the ice, but in that series, it’s clear to me from what that player said, that the Oilers weren’t just about winning that series. They were about ‘do we break up these Flames?'”



This story would be a little more entertaining to me if we weren't 1-2 years out from the exact same situation as Calgary. Teams in the playoffs next year are going to be hoping that if they knock us out, they'll have contributed to the end of the McDavid/Draisaitl era in Edmonton.


That is a possibility with any team. The sky is not falling. I think this team has enough people fear mongering outside our fan base. When did we become the Toronto Maple Leafs?

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:26

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Give the fall of Chicago and their decline has been happening for a few years now, how the hell did he not have them on his no trade list? What teams does he think are worse than Chicago?

That's funny. To answer any potential questions. No I would not bring back Hall if Chicago wanted to flip him, even if they retained 50%.



If he was not a left handed shot I would gladly have him in Edmonton. I would also trade Kane for Hall if we could switch out left handed wingers. Hall would be an absolute bargain at 50% retained.

Even at 50% I still wouldn't take him. They need guys who play hard and want to win. I don't think Hall is that guy.

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 13:31

ams in the playoffs next year are going to be hoping that if they knock us out, they'll have contributed to the end of the McDavid/Draisaitl era in Edmonton.


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