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 Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #722210 is a reply to message #722209 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:53

Adam wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:36


Quenneville coaching this team gets the Oilers where, exactly? Just mediocre enough where everyone gets to keep their jobs while wasting McDavid?


A) if they miss the playoffs this year, Chiarelli is toast. Lowe, Nicholson and the Red Wine Club are never ever leaving no matter what. It's depressing and probably will stunt what the team COULD do, but maybe you can succeed in spite of them eventually?

B) Quenneville's won three Cups and he's got some real credibility. Maybe he can help drive change from the inside? Apparently there was some friction with him and Bowman because he wasn't shy about letting his thoughts be known on some moves (ie. Saad/Panarin). I'm willing to give it a try. Even if it's only one name on my Arya-like termination list.

A) Why? Why is Chiarelli toast if the Oilers miss the playoffs? Because the hockey club has as a long history of holding executive accountable for their failings? A head coach MIGHT get fired if the season is bad enough but there's nothing to suggest the Oilers are ready to make another big move.

B) Seems like you're listing reasons why there's no hope of this latest savior coming to Edmonton. If Q is as smart as we think he is, why would he come to this situation? Unless there's a coaching lottery.


Money, McDavid and a challenge is what you hope Qunneville is interest in to come here.

Chia is definitely gone if he makes the coaching change and the team still struggles. He's not a true OBC member. He can be kicked to the curb like Tambo before him. Allowing him the one coach change puts him right up against the wall and completely on notice. He has no one left to blame at that point, especially if we now have a large money/term commitment to a coach that has actually won stuff in the NHL.

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 Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #722213 is a reply to message #722210 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:53

Adam wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:36


Quenneville coaching this team gets the Oilers where, exactly? Just mediocre enough where everyone gets to keep their jobs while wasting McDavid?


A) if they miss the playoffs this year, Chiarelli is toast. Lowe, Nicholson and the Red Wine Club are never ever leaving no matter what. It's depressing and probably will stunt what the team COULD do, but maybe you can succeed in spite of them eventually?

B) Quenneville's won three Cups and he's got some real credibility. Maybe he can help drive change from the inside? Apparently there was some friction with him and Bowman because he wasn't shy about letting his thoughts be known on some moves (ie. Saad/Panarin). I'm willing to give it a try. Even if it's only one name on my Arya-like termination list.

A) Why? Why is Chiarelli toast if the Oilers miss the playoffs? Because the hockey club has as a long history of holding executive accountable for their failings? A head coach MIGHT get fired if the season is bad enough but there's nothing to suggest the Oilers are ready to make another big move.

B) Seems like you're listing reasons why there's no hope of this latest savior coming to Edmonton. If Q is as smart as we think he is, why would he come to this situation? Unless there's a coaching lottery.


Money, McDavid and a challenge is what you hope Qunneville is interest in to come here.

Chia is definitely gone if he makes the coaching change and the team still struggles. He's not a true OBC member. He can be kicked to the curb like Tambo before him. Allowing him the one coach change puts him right up against the wall and completely on notice. He has no one left to blame at that point, especially if we now have a large money/term commitment to a coach that has actually won stuff in the NHL.


The team is also pretty sensitive to anger in the market. You've got David Staples writing negativity, that's a signal. Even Bob Stauffer was talking today about the comment about puck-moving defenceman saying "that was an...interesting comment."

I think Chia's leash is shorter by the day, and I don't think for a second that Lowe and the true Old Boys would hesitate to sacrifice him at the altar if it released a little of the pressure. It might actually be very satisfying for MacT seeing his successor fall flat.

I agree that the Oilers don't move quickly on this stuff, but it's really gone as bad as it could for Chiarelli...missing the playoffs last year was one thing, but then to have Hall drag the Devils there all by himself and win the MVP? To lose Reinhart in the expansion draft and then watch Barzal win the Calder? (even though the Oilers totally wouldn't have picked him anyhow - or Chabot who's going to win the Calder this year - like that totally excuses it.) To have Bob McKenzie call it a crime to miss the playoffs with McDavid on your roster? It's been the worst case scenario for Chiarelli and it has set up a situation where anything less than the playoffs this year gets him walking papers - no matter who the coach is.

As for why Quenneville comes here? Maybe he just loves a challenge and a swimming pool full of cash? As I said...dare to dream...there's a good chance Yawney or Gulutzan will just be interim coaches when McLellan finally is shown the door.

One thing though - the Oilers do love a free agent chase, and there was a rumour that the reason it took so long for them to do the pressers where everyone got the thumbs up to burn another year of Oilers hockey was that the real management was waiting to see if any really good options shook loose in the coaching ranks...

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 Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #722214 is a reply to message #722213 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 17:51

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:53

Adam wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 16:36


Quenneville coaching this team gets the Oilers where, exactly? Just mediocre enough where everyone gets to keep their jobs while wasting McDavid?


A) if they miss the playoffs this year, Chiarelli is toast. Lowe, Nicholson and the Red Wine Club are never ever leaving no matter what. It's depressing and probably will stunt what the team COULD do, but maybe you can succeed in spite of them eventually?

B) Quenneville's won three Cups and he's got some real credibility. Maybe he can help drive change from the inside? Apparently there was some friction with him and Bowman because he wasn't shy about letting his thoughts be known on some moves (ie. Saad/Panarin). I'm willing to give it a try. Even if it's only one name on my Arya-like termination list.

A) Why? Why is Chiarelli toast if the Oilers miss the playoffs? Because the hockey club has as a long history of holding executive accountable for their failings? A head coach MIGHT get fired if the season is bad enough but there's nothing to suggest the Oilers are ready to make another big move.

B) Seems like you're listing reasons why there's no hope of this latest savior coming to Edmonton. If Q is as smart as we think he is, why would he come to this situation? Unless there's a coaching lottery.


Money, McDavid and a challenge is what you hope Qunneville is interest in to come here.

Chia is definitely gone if he makes the coaching change and the team still struggles. He's not a true OBC member. He can be kicked to the curb like Tambo before him. Allowing him the one coach change puts him right up against the wall and completely on notice. He has no one left to blame at that point, especially if we now have a large money/term commitment to a coach that has actually won stuff in the NHL.


The team is also pretty sensitive to anger in the market. You've got David Staples writing negativity, that's a signal. Even Bob Stauffer was talking today about the comment about puck-moving defenceman saying "that was an...interesting comment."

I think Chia's leash is shorter by the day, and I don't think for a second that Lowe and the true Old Boys would hesitate to sacrifice him at the altar if it released a little of the pressure. It might actually be very satisfying for MacT seeing his successor fall flat.

I agree that the Oilers don't move quickly on this stuff, but it's really gone as bad as it could for Chiarelli...missing the playoffs last year was one thing, but then to have Hall drag the Devils there all by himself and win the MVP? To lose Reinhart in the expansion draft and then watch Barzal win the Calder? (even though the Oilers totally wouldn't have picked him anyhow - or Chabot who's going to win the Calder this year - like that totally excuses it.) To have Bob McKenzie call it a crime to miss the playoffs with McDavid on your roster? It's been the worst case scenario for Chiarelli and it has set up a situation where anything less than the playoffs this year gets him walking papers - no matter who the coach is.

As for why Quenneville comes here? Maybe he just loves a challenge and a swimming pool full of cash? As I said...dare to dream...there's a good chance Yawney or Gulutzan will just be interim coaches when McLellan finally is shown the door.

One thing though - the Oilers do love a free agent chase, and there was a rumour that the reason it took so long for them to do the pressers where everyone got the thumbs up to burn another year of Oilers hockey was that the real management was waiting to see if any really good options shook loose in the coaching ranks...


Quenneville with 3 cup rings. Man, Lowe and Friends must be salivating looking at that. And bonus, we would be hiring him to do the same job he won his cup rings doing. That's a rare thing in this org among management/coaches.

Dare to dream...

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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 Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #722223 is a reply to message #722188 ]
Tue, 13 November 2018 20:28 Go to previous message
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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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