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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18) [message #838985 is a reply to message #838984 ]	Sun, 17 November 2024 11:37

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Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 10:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 10:10

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 22:15

tardigrade81 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:38

Jay wrote on Sun, 17 November 2024 04:36

That Reeves hit is complete BS. The league needs to throw the book at him and set an example.

Agreed. That was sickening and uncalled for. Reaves should be out of the league. Just a complete goof. Makes me sick

Guy single handedly costed the Leafs multiple playoff games with dumb penalties and dumb plays. Treliving is a goof for keeping him around. Although, for the vast majority of hockey fans, seeing the Leafs intentionally handicap themselves is enjoyable.

Phone hearing apparently so max 5 games. No surprise.

I don't really agree that the leafs are handicapping themselves though - the league allows this stuff to happen so it seems to me like you might as well play ball.

They got a 5 minute penalty and lost a player for a few games who is useless anyway (except for things like this). They killed off the penalty and got a 5-3 themselves a few minutes later to even things up.

So the leafs took out an Oilers dman - probably for a while - and won the game.

Steve Maccintyre still skating these days? Especially in the regular season what's the downside in having one of these guys who's only role is to go out and try to injure the other teams actual players?

It's weird that when Torres was doing this they eventually got tired of it and started actually punishing him but I guess that was a different DOPS.

Realistically if they actually wanted to dissuade this kind of thing they would be holding the coach/team responsible instead of the player.

Having a guy that has the sole value of potentially injuring someone on the other team and getting a 5 min major? It hasn’t worked out well at all for the Leafs so far when the games matter. Torres could actually play hockey. Reaves out on the ice is basically playing shorthanded.

Who do you think came out of that game worse off?

The Leafs won the game. Reeves played 5 minutes or whatever and took a penalty that meant absolutely nothing.

The Oilers lost and had to kill a 5-3 a few minutes later despite not playing Steve Macintyre at all. Nurse will be out for a while (I assume) and he was just starting to look good. I'm guessing whenever he is back in the lineup he isn't going to be fully engaged for a long time. So the Oilers paper thin defence is now even thinner. Even if they had won the game they still lost.

You can say that teams shouldn't have these kinds of players, and I agree, but in the NHL today does it really hurt the team playing them? The Leafs didn't look hurt tonight.

The playoffs are different because the margin for error is so thin. But even the Vegas series a few years ago. When the tide shifted in that series petrangelo set the standard for how to beat the Oilers in the playoffs. Yeah you might get a penalty or even a suspension but it's all going to even out in the end - there will be ticky tac calls the other way that will essentially even it up. And they won the cup. Or Bennett this year taking out Marchand and Knies. Yes those guys can play hockey too but the point is that intentionally injuring the other teams players is effective and accepted by the league. So if you play a plug a couple of minutes a night to do it the outcome is the same as if a 3rd liner does it in 15 minutes.

The refs on the are never going to hold players accountable. They only know how to call roughly the same number of penalties per team and that's what they will always do. It's up to DOPS to decide f they want this sort of thing and they've shown that they are good with it. So it has to be the players.

The only way Reeves doesn't make that play is if he thinks that there's a chance that the retribution will come to one of his teammates.

Do you think a team down 2-1, if they could choose, would pick to take out Nurse for the rest of the night at the cost of having to kill a 5 min major against McDavid and drai? Doubt it. Especially against a team they barely ever play, so the loss of nurse doesn’t really benefit them much at all.

It’s on the Oilers how we squandered rhat 5 min. And we gave the game away with some bad plays and lousy goaltending.

Reaves really had minimal impact on the game and at worst he could have buried his teams chances with the 5 min major.

Peter Angelo was valuable enough that Vegas resident Parros couldn’t bring himself to give a proper suspension, for sure. Reaves is in a totally different category though. He has already cost the leafs in the playoffs with stupid plays taking penalties and stupid giveaways gifting goals. He has been only a negative for the leafs so far when games matter. And there is so way he is important enough to get special treatment from the DOPS.

All that said, would I like more Oilers that can play at a high level and can dish some nasty hits now and then? For sure. Would not take a slug though who can only be noticed them he’s picking a head with a dirty hit, or giving pucks away and still managing to hurt the team by not being able to play real hockey in his 8 mins of sheltered ice time. The cost of using up a roster spot on that kind if player vs the potential he injures a key player in playoffs or vs some division rival has a very tiny chance of working out well.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #18)	By: Jay on Sat, 16 November 2024 21:36
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