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Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers [message #838205 is a reply to message #838204 ]	Fri, 11 October 2024 17:05

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:34

benv wrote on Fri, 11 October 2024 14:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 October 2024 12:48

So.. Vegas just reclaimed Lavoie and ASSIGNED him to AHL Henderson..

Waiver rules are so F'd up.

Apparently because no one else put in a claim for Lavoie (this time) .. Vegas can assign him to the AHL.. like they were the team "re-claiming" him..

Vegas Fks the league system again.

This is all you have to do to take a player off another team.. and then be able to him send him to your minor team.. or trade him;

-You claim a player on waivers. (now you CAN'T assign him to the AHL all year.. or trade him)

-You then waive him the next day.. and phone another GM buddy to also put in a claim.. BUT.. a GM on a team that won't be able to actually claim him because they are lower in the waiver selection order than the original team.. its a fake claim effort

-The original team then naturally re-claims their player.. but because of the fake claim .. the original team then has to put the player back on waivers before they can re-assign him to the minors..

-The team that just recently waived the player.. then RE-CLAIMS him.. like Vegas just did.. your GM buddy doesn't put in another claim (he never wanted him in the first place).. and you now have an AHL asset you DON'T have to keep on your NHL roster.. and can use to TRADE for somebody you really want.. that season.

Seems to me that the team that put in the fake claim needs to be investigated, or at least made public.. they are the ones that created the situation.. if they wanted the player a day ago.. why not now ? .. because they never wanted him.. If its another team in the Pacific then you could consider it a conspiracy by two teams to weaken another rival team..

The INTENT of the CBA rules in having to put your player back on waivers again.. IF there was another claim when you reclaimed him.. is that the EXPECTATION of the CBA agreement is that the team that put in the claim that TRIGGERED having to re-waive the player ..actually wanted him in the first place.. in this case it was a fake claim.. just used as a trigger for the benefit of another team.. or weaken a rival franchise for both involved.

The rule should be that if the team that triggered the requirement to re-waive the player doesn't claim the player the 2nd time.. then the original team keeps their player and doesn't have to waive him. The INTENT of the CBA rules from the NHLPA standpoint was that getting claimed on waivers were a means for an AHL player with value to play in the NHL. This totally circumvents the intent of the CBA.

It might be an issue for the NHLPA.. the waiver rules were intended to be there so a team that claims a player on waivers has to PLAY him in the NHL.. this is just a card shuffle.. the player is no better off.. back in the AHL..

Edmonton should get a 1st rounder from both teams in compensation for their collusion in circumventing the CBA

Was going to post something similar.

Clearly the spirit of the waiver rule is that if the Oilers want to send Lavoie to the minors, every other team should be able to claim him ONLY FOR THEIR NHL ROSTER. If no other team wants to put him on their NHL roster, he should be with the Oilers farm team (assuming they want him--which they clearly do in this case).

Something really rotten about the way this all went down.

Lavoie kind of became just as much of an Ex-Golden Knight as an ex-Oiler in this whole thing though, didn't he?

This final time, as Vegas claimed him, zero other teams were showing interest in him being on their NHL roster, including us by the act of waiving him.

Issue definitely is in what is likely trolling or collusion by the team that claimed him when we took him back, but if it is Colorado they can just claim they saw a better option on the waiver wire this time around.

We had him though, right back in our possession! And we had cap space and a roster spot for him. Probably just needed to wait a little bit before trying again.

Its clear Vegas wanted Lavoie.. but not on their NHL roster.. same as the Oilers.. the only reason they have waivers is so that NHL capable players can get an NHL roster spot.. in fact its written specifically in such a way that the claimed player CAN"T be moved off the NHL team once claimed for the ENTIRE season.. that is the INTENT of waivers.. and the CBA that created it..

this move contradicts this entire purpose.. the player is back toiling in the AHL.. its just a different owner who doesn't need him on their NHL roster..

The tell that this was collusion was that the trigger requiring the Oilers to waive Lavoie again was that there was a prior waiver claim with the expectation that the this team wanted him.. the fact they put in a claim 24 hours previous and then changed their minds on re-entering waivers tells you it was fraud.. the league has stepped in for far less circumvention of their CBA.. but its Vegas.. they just got rid of Lehner's boat anchor contract with the blink of an eye.. never mind Mark Stones perennial LTIR back for game #1 of the playoffs routine..

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Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Wed, 09 October 2024 12:14
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Hibernia on Wed, 09 October 2024 12:19
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 09 October 2024 12:42
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: smyth260 on Wed, 09 October 2024 14:27
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 09 October 2024 15:03
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: smyth260 on Wed, 09 October 2024 15:11
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Wed, 09 October 2024 15:24
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: benv on Wed, 09 October 2024 16:23
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 09 October 2024 20:21
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 09 October 2024 20:42
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 10 October 2024 22:25
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Fri, 11 October 2024 09:53
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Fri, 11 October 2024 10:01
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: smyth260 on Fri, 11 October 2024 12:45
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:50
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 11 October 2024 12:48
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Jay on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:46
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: smyth260 on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:50
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Jay on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:56
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:57
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 11 October 2024 13:50
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: benv on Fri, 11 October 2024 14:20
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Fri, 11 October 2024 14:34
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 11 October 2024 17:05
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 11 October 2024 20:54
Re: Oilers claim Raphael Lavoie off waivers	By: Kr55 on Fri, 11 October 2024 23:22
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