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 Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 16 August 2024 13:31 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 16 August 2024 13:17 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 16 August 2024 12:08 |
I think these "screw you" things ignore the fact that if Grier had wanted to, he could have offe sheeted those players at those amounts and paid only a 2nd and 3rd round pick if the Oilers didn't match. I don't think there's a lot of incentive for them to pay more than what St. Louis stands to give up, in order to screw over the Blues and get the player at the same dollar figure.
He'd also hold all the cards in the negotiation, because there would be literally no other team in his position. If he says no, then you can't do it with the next lowest team, for fear of San Jose grabbing that player for nothing.
Love the creativity of Oilers fans, but I think it's a binary decision regarding both players here. Either you sign him and keep him, or you let him go and take the draft pick.
FWIW, I've come to think that the Oilers will (and probably should) match only Holloway. He'd be getting similar dollars to what Ryan McLeod made last year, so it's not crazy money. Even on eventual free agency, that's not a ridiculous qualifying offer that you need to give. With Broberg, he is ideally a LD, and our area of greatest need is a RD, so we can't commit that much money to him. Wish him all the best in St. Louis, and then keep your eyes open for another right defenceman to help fill the void.
Personally, I don't like the UFA options at the moment as most are PP quarterbacks and we already have one of those. They don't have a lot of other huge strengths to their game.
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I'd do it even it SJ only offered a 2nd and 3rd just as a big F off to Armstrong, Broberg/Holloway and their agents.. it would end predatory offer sheets.. if as a player you accept an offer.. you can get waived to the worst team in the league.. accepting an offer sheet becomes a no risk option.. to an option with career consequences.
But SJ would offer more.. they have zero cap issues and both players are young and bonifide NHL'ers.. SJ has some good prospects and 2 1st rounders next year.. getting Broberg and Holloway.. and even just Broberg would advance SJ's competitive timeline substantially .. their NHL roster is rifle butt ugly
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Would they? If I'm the GM of San Jose, and you come to me now, I just say maybe. We'll see. I'm not trading you something now hoping that you are willing to do something later since you won't be able to waive them until the start of training camp. And then at the point where you're thinking about waiving them I have all the power in the world. They're going to mess with your cap if you don't get rid of them (or others). No one else can give you any guarantee because I'm the only GM who has an unblocked path to the players if they get waived. I know that you're only doing this to send a message and punish a team, and so I'm saying - I know you had a 2nd from St Louis, but I'll give you a 3rd and the satisfaction of knowing you screwed over St. Louis.
I don't think there's any reason for Grier to play super nice with the Oilers. I mean, he's one of those ex-player GMs, so there's a good chance he does something dumb, but hard to see why he wouldn't use the leverage we'd be giving him to his advantage.
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SJ has no power unless there is an agreement, Greer would do it, it would be in his team's best interests .. I don't think it would require being super nice to consider it.. it would be like any other trade proposal.. value for value.. Oilers have options other than a waiver.. worst case Oilers could match both and make other arrangements that don't include a SJ waiver agreement.. they'd have to move cap.. or LTIR.. I'd tell SJ that and say .. but.. we could let you have them in exchange for "this"
The value-for-value exchange would be indirect .. so some trust involved.. but there are a lot of trade transactions that require GM's taking the other's word for something before the transaction is completed.. such as all those multi-team trades..
Even a 2nd and 3rd alone from SJ is better than a 2nd and 3rd from St. Louis..
I'd do the trade first though, the trust would be on SJ's side..
If the NHL tried to block the subsequent waiver.. both SJ and Oilers could sue the NHL.. as it is absolutely permitted by the CBA.
[Updated on: Fri, 16 August 2024 15:01]
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