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 Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 13 August 2024 13:14 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 13 August 2024 11:05 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 13 August 2024 10:39 |
Seeing some valid criticism of Holloway with these offersheets. That's kind of nuts that he would take ~2M to break his relationship with the org. Even being a second fiddle to Broberg, who is getting the far more lucrative offer, in this attempt to mess the Oilers over.
Bad showing there Dylan. Probably would have got close to that anyways if he just negotiated here, and loads of opportunity to play with Drai.
He was born in Calgary though.
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I think Holloway probably felt a little abused by the org last year too, similarly to Broberg. We buried him in the minors a couple of times, including the last couple months of the season simply because we'd signed Perry and didn't have the cap room any more.
He did fine back in Bakersfield and was a big part of the playoff run, but the team has really preferred to use aged vets in depth roles and they've done that at the expense of young, cheap talent. It's not surprising really if these guys resent that treatment - especially given that when the chips were down, the team plugged these guys in in place of some of those old folks who kept them out of the lineup.
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Yeah, could be. The cost of going with the "overripe" path. Although, neither was a strong pick in the end, and both guys absolutely needed a long development time to have a hope to be passable NHLers. Wonder how hard it is to convince players of that, especially when you took them in the 1st round.
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I mean, there's certainly a couple of players out there who look like they'd have been better picks. It can be easy to complain about draft mistakes years later when players have developed, but both those picks had detractors immediately, with people pointing out the value of guys left on the board who've proven out in the time since. Holloway had questions about his offensive production at the time of the draft and we've seen some similar concerns over much of his NHL time so far (although he had a great playoffs). Broberg was considered less of a sure thing than a bunch of the forwards available then (Caufield, Zary, Zegras, Boldy) and was potentially a consolation prize, as the Oilers had apparently been targeting Seider who went a couple picks earlier (and who would look great on our blueline now).
To be fair to Holland/Wright & crew, I think those are both NHL players though. Not complete misses, so this isn't Michel Riesen or Alex Mikhnov level reaches. I think a fairly archaic approach to prospect development under Holland hasn't helped us here with any of the young guys. With a top-loaded team spending a ton on the first line players, then you need to get value out of the bottom of your roster. You look at Tampa and Chicago and others, and they play great young players at the bottom of the roster. They usually lose a lot of those guys (generally smart enough to trade them, not lose via RFA offer sheet) but they keep the funnel going that way. They'll have the occasional Corey Perry, but they don't tend to have the whole bottom six as 30 plus guys.
I wish I had a better sense of who these guys are as players, and I think the Oilers development plan has been pretty flawed in not providing the team enough of that outlook.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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