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Re: Holland confirmed gone [message #837148 is a reply to message #837145 ]	Thu, 27 June 2024 15:30

Mike
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 June 2024 18:04

Adam wrote on Thu, 27 June 2024 14:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 June 2024 12:31

So if you are going to say Holland is worthless, then Yes Mike, I think you are an idiot and clueless.

RDOF - while I appreciate your additions to the discourse here, I think that you probably owe an apology for this lack of decorum. I can only imagine the extremely long message you'd have typed out if the tables were turned and someone said flat out that they thought you were a clueless idiot for your views.

Nope, I do not. I stand by what I said. If someone is going to say Holland is worthless, it's a stupid comment because it's so utterly, ridiculously false. The definition of worthless is having no real value or use. A person doesn't have to personally like Holland as a GM or his style or all the moves he made. That's totally fine. He made mistakes as the Wings GM and as the Oilers GM. No denying that. But he's not worthless and that's what my comment said. He's got a ton of experience as a hockey exec, so there is value in that. A person can even go so far as to debate the level of value his experience brings but there is still value in his experience. Doesn't mean he should be the GM of the Oilers but he's not worthless.

So I have nothing to apologize for.

Well I think you’re a clueless idiot then.

I think Holland has been lucky more than he had been good over his career. Ask Wings fans how they feel about his last few years there.

As for his time with the Oilers, if I’m going to critique what I think are franchise crippling moves, I need to give him some credit for the good ones.

Keith was a monumentally stupid deal for all the reasons already talked about a million times.
Nurse contract was ludicrous, especially the structure of it.
Not inking Bouchard long term when he by all accounts could have was a misstep that’s going to cost us.

I don’t fault him too much for Campbell. I didn’t love it, and it turned out horribly, but it wasn’t seem as the worst deal ever at the time. What was terrible though was trotting out Smith and Koskinen for what? 4 years in a row? Especially with the plethora of guys who could be had for a song leading up to the Kraken draft.

The good stuff - I think RNH is a pretty good signing. Ekholm has been awesome, regardless what the pick turns into, no regrets. I think he will be responsible for Bouchard taking a step he would never have taken with the likes of Nurse or Kulak or whoever else. And Hyman? Might be the best UFA signing ever. Can’t give him full marks as Hymans camp came knocking, but he did put pen to paper, so fine.

All that to say, he left the Wings in shambles, and though he has improved some parts of this team, he leaves us in a pretty tight spot.

But where I think he is less than useless for the Oilers is for all the stuff Adam mentioned. You are never free to do your job when the guy you replaced is still hanging around in a position of power. If he is not the GM (which I don’t want him to be), I want him nowhere near the team. He is 100% “Worthless” to the Oilers

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Holland confirmed gone	By: Adam on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:04
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:22
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Adam on Thu, 27 June 2024 14:04
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: inverno76 on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:24
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:30
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Mike on Thu, 27 June 2024 11:15
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 27 June 2024 12:31
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Adam on Thu, 27 June 2024 14:49
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 27 June 2024 15:04
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Mike on Thu, 27 June 2024 15:30
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 27 June 2024 15:48
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 27 June 2024 18:39
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: PlusOne on Thu, 27 June 2024 18:48
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: inverno76 on Thu, 27 June 2024 22:31
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: HamBlaster on Thu, 27 June 2024 21:39
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: inverno76 on Thu, 27 June 2024 22:40
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 27 June 2024 23:02
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Rocksteady on Fri, 28 June 2024 08:59
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: inverno76 on Fri, 28 June 2024 09:23
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Adam on Fri, 28 June 2024 16:56
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: nullterm on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:39
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 27 June 2024 10:50
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Mike on Thu, 27 June 2024 11:11
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 27 June 2024 12:13
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: inverno76 on Thu, 27 June 2024 13:12
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 27 June 2024 13:35
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 27 June 2024 13:36
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 27 June 2024 13:58
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: Suomalainen on Thu, 27 June 2024 19:56
Re: Holland confirmed gone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 27 June 2024 20:11
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