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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #7) [message #837078 is a reply to message #837077 ]	Tue, 25 June 2024 14:47

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 13:34

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 11:40

Mike wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 11:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 14:04

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 10:38

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 09:59

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 June 2024 10:42

It won’t be the friendship that keeps Nurse in Edmonton. Eberle was just as beloved and it’s a business. Nurse will be back because he has NMC and an immovable contract.

The prospective exit strategies with Nurse are:
1 - trading him to a bottom feeder desperate to reach the cap floor
2 - said bottom feeder retains some money while trading him to a contender asap or after some seasons rehabbing his game.
3 - hoping he can rehab his game in Edmonton with Broberg playing on his off side while increasing his value only to trade him later out of necessity.

It’s time to work around his contract and just accept it’s there until he wants out.

Exactly my point. Fans need to forget about the contract and get off his case about it. Carving him up in the media day after day doesn't do anything to make him play better. If anything, it probably makes it worse.

Go find him a partner (maybe it's Broberg) who compliments him, create a solid pairing and worry about the cap hit of the pairing and the overall results of that pairing vs the individual player cap hit. If the cap hit of the pairing is around 13 mill, and they give you good top 4 mins, what difference does the split make?

Just my opinion but I think some Oilers fans put way too much emphasis on optics. I think Pesce is probably the best free agent dman. Given he is right handed and how brutal the market is, I could see him getting north of 6 all day. If Nurse was paid 7.25 mill and then they went out and signed Pesce for 7 mill and you had a 14.25 mill pairing. I doubt people would bat an eye and would probably say that's a good pairing.

As an example. Broberg is up for a deal. He's barely played so what he makes on his next deal won't be much. His cap hit was 874K. So pretending you can get him signed for a couple of seasons at 2 mill max (I think it would be less). But if the combined cap hit of the Nurse paring is 11.25 mil and that pairing gives you good top 4 mins. At the end of the day, who cares about the split. Yes individually he makes too much but worry about the cost of the pairing and get him a partner that improves the pairing but offsets his cost.

Cap hit aside, Nurse was brutal for most of the playoffs. The only other guy close was Ceci. Together they were abysmal. Let's never have them together again.

And as much as some fans like to ignore how much a player makes when making a case for said player, in a cap world it cannot be ignored. It's a crazy contract not just because of the cap hit, but the way it's structured - full NMC for another few years, and 100% buyout proof. Well done Nurse's agent.

For his sake, I hope we was injured and it contributed to his less than stellar play.

Not sure why people feel the need to give a pass to management and players clearly handicapping the team. Is it a way of coping? Mentally preparing for the same issues to end the next season early?

Nurse and his contract are a challenge, but that's why GMs make the big bucks. To fix teams and give the best chance to win. 9.25M could be far better spent rather than carrying around a guy that the coach needs to jump through hoops to turn into less of a liability, and/or the GM needs to bend over backwards to find the right linemate to make them less of a liability. That's not what you should have to do with a 9M player.

It's got nothing to do with using the tired argument management sucks or commenting on the salary of management. It's got everything to do with fans not making decisions based on blind emotion and being logical and using their head.

Nurse makes too much. Is he a good dman? Yes but is he a 9.25 mill dman? No he isn't. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. His cap hit is too much for the level of play he can give when he is at his best. No debate what so ever. He makes too much.

He also has a NMC. He plays on a team with 2 of his best friends, those 2 friends are the best player on the planet and one of the 5 best on the planet. So as a hockey player and competitor, he knows as long as he plays with those 2, he will be on a good team and he gets to do it with his buddies. So that has a tremendous draw for him. So to get him to waive his no move will be extremely difficult and the list of teams he would accept a trade too is probably extremely short.

So if a person takes out the emotion and thinks logically, the likelihood he's not going to waive his no move, leave his best friends and go to a crap team that has the cap space is extremely low if not zero.

So to get Nurse to waive, you are probably picking from a handful of good teams that have limited cap space. So to make a trade you are eating a decent chunk of his salary and you are getting nothing back. Probably in the range of 2-3 mill. Then you have to replace him with a dman who's at min on par with Nurse. So we are talking a 6-7 mill dman. So when you factor in the retention, plus the replacement cost, you are paying probably the same money to get the same level of play as you get from Nurse. So the only thing you get is a different name on the jersey to complain about. The likelihood you are getting a replacement who is cheaper and better than Nurse it slim to none. If he existed, then the team trading for Nurse would just go get him and save themselves money.

So if a person takes out the emotion and uses their head, rather than ranting, trading Nurse regardless of management sucking or how much the GM makes, is extremely unrealistic and probably won'y make you any better both in performance on the ice and cap hit wise. So the best course of action is to find a partner who compliments Nurse to maximize what you get from him. Then focus on the cost of the pairing instead of complaining about the individual players contract.

Dude, you are pure emotion and management apologizing for years now. Non-stop cope and asking people to just hat tip the management bumbling and blame guys like McLeod and Bouch, somehow always in line with the Spector narrative. My comments have been pretty consistent for over a decade now, and this team keeps getting slapped in the face by the same mistakes. Good you acknowledge at least some bad mistakes Holland made, but none of our exchanges actually matter in the end, the critiques that come true, or the cope and apologizing. We continue to waste the career of a generational player.

Who knows if we are really stuck with Nurse. You seem very insistent that it's impossible to move him, I disagree. I think a manager that is truly serious about winning would make it happen. A new GM is allowed to come in and fix mistakes of the past and explain clearly to the players why it needs to be done. There are loads of stats and video to back up such a decision, and if McDavid and Drai really want to win, they can handle it. Stop apologizing in advance for inaction by management as we waste McDavid's career. Trying to find players to babysit Nurse is a waste of time and money and a massive handicap for this team going forward.

[Updated on: Tue, 25 June 2024 14:52]

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