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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 12:51 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 15:06 |
| Hibernia wrote on Thu, 06 June 2024 10:44 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 17:13 |
And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.
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I stopped crapping on Holland for his lack of work, BUT I still have a hard time giving him too much credit for Hyman. He didn't turn him away, but, from everything we've heard, Hyman choose Edmonton all by himself.
No different than Kane and Perry. Kane pretty well had no where else to go and I'm not sure too many other teams were lining up to get Perry earlier this year either.
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Holland being highest bidder for a hyped UFA is definitely just his thing. he sank the red wings doing the same, and unfortunately never hit a Hyman. If you just keep high bidding though, eventually you get a hit! He shouldn't be bragging about Lucic/Neal as why he could afford Hyman. He should be thanking Markstrom for not taking his highest bid the summer before :)
Kane/Perry were desperation moves to make up for his run of weak GMing. He's one of the only guys willing to do it partially because he's one of the only guys that is so desperate to try to add something to our lineup any way possible, any mental blocks because of morals/decency out the window.
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I think he could have done more up to this point - his excuse when he got here was he was handcuffed by Chiarelli's mess, and as soon as he got some space he pissed it all away.
His failures IMO: Not addressing goaltending a few years ago. Running Smith and Koskinen 4 years in a row was absolutely ridiculous. Not singing Bouchard to a longer deal. Nurse's contract.
I am happy he finally started using draft picks while we are in a win now mode to try to bolster the team. Ekholm last year was obviously a great addition (though the 4% retention was lame). A 1st for Henrique this year? Pretty expensive compared to the rest of the market IMO - looking at the other returns for 1st round picks, Henrique is a bit underwhelming, but he definitely is a welcome addition. If we win the Cup, this turns into a homerun (I think he is a big part of this roster right now)
The really good deals - well Hyman is being lauded as arguably the greatest UFA signings in history. Both in terms of fit and cap hit, he was a grand slam. Way better than I expected. Extending RNH at his number also a huge win IMO. A 100+ point season, over 1PPG in these playoffs, and playing some of the best end to end hockey in his career.
So I think he could have done better, but we've had worse than him.
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That's a tallest midget competition there. He's had more going for the team than any of the prior 3 GMs at the point where he took it over.
I think my biggest issue with Holland is the complete lack of urgency. He failed to ever take advantage of cap games that other teams have successfully pioneered. He sure didn't ever do anything innovative himself.
And did he ever really grab the bull by the horns and push to take this team to the Finals?
Well, let's look at the tape:
2020 Trade Deadline:
Oilers
- acquired Tyler Ennis for 5th rd pick
- Mike Green for Brodziak & cond'l 4th rd pick
- Athanasiou for Gagner & two 2nd rd picks
Lightning
- Blake Coleman for 1st rd pick
- Barclay Goodrow for 1st rd pick
Stars
- none
2021
Oilers
- Kulikov for 4th rd pick
Lightning
- David Savard for 1st & 4th rd picks
Canadiens
- Eric Staal for 3rd & 5th rd picks
- Jon Merrill for H. Verbeek & 5th rd pick
- Erik Gustafsson for 7th rd pick
2022
Oilers
- Kulak for Lagesson, 2nd rd & 7th rd picks
- Brassard for 4th rd picks
Avalanche
- Josh Manson for Helleson & 2nd round pick
- Nico Sturm for Jost
- Artturi Lehkonen for Barron & 2nd rd pick
- Cogliano for 5th rd pick
Lightning
- Brandon Hagel & two 4th rd picks for Raddysh, Katchouk & two 1st rd picks.
- Riley Nash for futures
2023
Oilers
- Ekholm for Barrie, Schaefer, 1st & 4th rd picks
- Bjugstad for Kesselring & 3rd rd pick
Golden Knights
- Ivan Barbashev for Zach Dean
- Jonathan Quick for Hutchinson & 7th rd pick
- Blueger for Diliberatore & 3rd rd pick
Panthers
- none
2024
Oilers
- Adam Henrique & Sam Carrick for 1st, 4th & Conditional 5th picks
- Troy Stecher & 7th rd pick for 4th rd pick
Panthers
- Tarasenko for 3rd & 4th rd picks
- Okposo for Sjalin & 7th rd pick
- Magnus Hellberg for Waeber & 7th rd pick
Generally, we've got less while paying more in trade deadline trades during the Ken Holland era. It's worth noting too, that as much as we've claimed cap challenges are part of the reason for that, Tampa Bay and Vegas had much more severe challenges to weather and managed to add significant pieces. Colorado was pretty tight to the cap and added FOUR pieces, all of whom played significant roles in their Cup win (and their sweep of the Oilers).
I mean, that's without even getting in to a lot of the other things those teams did to make themselves real contenders through this period. The fact is, Holland did the bare minimum and got paid handsomely for it, so people shouldn't really see this as vindication for him and all the slings and arrows he's had to take from people like me who just can't see his true quality and how perfect this plan of his was.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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