 mightyreasoner
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Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Tue, 04 June 2024 13:43 |
Media guys already starting to try to lionize Ken Holland for his role here, rather than rightly credit the players for overcoming bad management to reach the Finals. Here's Gord Miller sucking up, not JUST to Holland, but also to Peter Chiarelli:
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Gord Miller 🌻🇺🇦
@GMillerTSN
As Edmonton advances to the Stanley Cup Final, Oiler GM Ken Holland is deservedly getting credit for his excellent moves (signing Zach Hyman, trading for Mattias Ekholm, the early season coaching change) but his much-maligned predecessor Peter Chiarelli deserves credit as well.
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Some of Chiarelli’s moves that paid off? His management group drafted Evan Bouchard (1st rd, 10th overall 2018), Stuart Skinner (3rd rd, 78th overall 2017) and he signed Leon Draisaitl to an 8 year, $8.5m extension, a great contract that was widely criticized at the time.
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Chiarelli’s administration made mistakes, as has Holland’s, which has made several moves it would like back, but every franchise has contracts it would like to get out of and trades it would like to undo. It’s tough to predict future performance and there’s an element of luck.
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Holland has been beaten up at times in Edmonton, but his Hall of Fame credentials remain intact, the Oilers are a much better team now than they were when he took over five years ago. He’d be the first one to say that some of the key pieces were put in place by Peter Chiarelli.
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In the two years before Holland took over, the Oilers finished 23rd and 28th overall. Since then, they’ve made the playoffs every year, have won 6 series, have been to the conference final twice and are about to play in the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in 18 years.
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And hey, some of what he says is correct. The Oilers were out of the playoffs when the team sacked Chiarelli (who holds huge responsibility for the terrible finish to 2018 and 2019). And Holland DID add Ekholm and Hyman who are both big contributors.
But this team should have been competitive in most of the last 5 years, and Holland's moves were a big part of the reason that they have not been. Even this year, he fumbled again and again and to look at just the trade deadline alone you can see the difference:
Vancouver Canucks:
Elias Lindholm (Kuzmenko, 2 prospects & 1st rd pick)
Nikita Zadorov (5th rd pick)
Dallas Stars:
Chris Tanev (prospect & 2nd rd pick)
Florida Panthers:
Vlad Tarasenko (Conditional 4th rd pick)
Kyle Okposo (7th & borderline prospect)
Edmonton Oilers:
Adam Henrique (1st round pick)
Sam Carrick
Troy Stecher (4th rd pick)
We paid more, to get less than other teams we're facing. And Henrique has been fine...I don't have any real complaint with the player, but it's not like Holland did everything that could be done to give us the best chance to win this year.
If we win the Cup, it's on McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nuge, Skinner, etc. Holland's share of the credit should be minimal and certainly he shouldn't be held up as some amazing builder here...he's been overall bad.
Miller was clearly perplexed to find himself assailed by Oilers fans with no love for Holland after his message...people didn't even bother to comment on Panicky Pete Chiarelli...
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Applauding Chiarelli (and Holland) for this Finals appearance is like praising Mr. Magoo for great vision because he always gets where he intends by the end of the episode.
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