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Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies [message #833842 is a reply to message #833826 ]	Mon, 13 May 2024 22:45

Adam
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 18:27

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 16:25

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 17:09

Organizational failure when Jesper Wallstedt fell to them and they decided to trade that pick for Xavier Bourgault, who will never be an NHL regular.

Yes. I said it. XB will never be a regular NHLer. To me, that move was worse than the Griffin trade, the Eberle tree, the Lucic signing. Just. Horrid.

We doubled up on failure that draft. Coffey was hounding the org to pick Johnston who he mentored from a young age, Staios was pushing for Wyatt Johnston too. Wright decided that his genius was too great and took Bourgault.

$25M for a GM whose entire claim to fame was amazing drafting/developing and patiently waiting for picks to emerge as stars (achieving over ripened status). I don't think Holland will have drafted a single top end player for us in his 5 years.

Yeah, if what is rumoured is true (Coffee/Staios inside OHL info, pushing for WJ) that was a big fkup by Wright (probably why he got the punt).. The Q is usually an enigma.. guys can light it up there (which XB did that year.. all the way to the Memorial Cup) .. and be either NHL regulars.. or totally bomb out.. IMHO OHL is usually the safer league to judge junior age performance by..

Also the points alone should have swayed their minds..

Bourgault last season in Q
2021-22 Shawinigan Cataractes QMJHL 43 36 39 75

Johnston
2021-22 Windsor Spitfires OHL 68 46 78 124

WJ had higher PPG in a more competitive league.

Plus.. Johnston is listed a 6-2 185 lbs.. XB 6-0 (I doubt it) and 175l bs.

I agree.. forget Wallstedt.. Johnston was the huge FKUP!

That being said.. spending a 1st on a goalie is rare for most teams.. high risk.. not a sure thing even for the highest rated..

eg. Sebastian Cossa (15th overall)

Last two years in AHL he's rockin' 0.913 and 0.913

.. and for comparison Rodrigue (2nd round, #62) is 0.913 and 0.916 last two years

Wallstedt? He's 0.908 and 0.910

They are all seem to be doing similar ..

IMHO Goalies are voodoo in general.. especially draft wise..

What the Oilers did with getting NCAA guys like Fanti, and CIU Connor Ungar are smart moves.. need to get the guys that develop later.. which goalies tend to do.. for free.. wouldn't be a bad idea getting some Latvian, European goalie scouts on the payroll!

Couple of things:

- Rodrigue has similar numbers but he's three years older. He hasn't got the same opportunities as the other guys, and so he's tracking behind. Skinner got a push that was similar to Cossa and Wallstedt and he was around .890 in the same time frame. Both of those guys are tracking pretty well as pros.

- Fanti is again three years older than those two, and he had a decent season in the ECHL this year. If the Oilers wanted to push a goalie they need to have him and Rodrigue in the AHL next year competing for the top job and avoid the easy safety net of the career back-up there - not to mention jettison Jack Campbell so he isn't blocking the path for them.

- Ungram is early days in the organization, but again he's 22 - older than either Wallstedt and Cossa and hasn't played a pro game at any level yet.

- There are no picks that are completely safe in the draft, but if you look at the list of star goalies drafted in the first round, it's pretty deep. Brodeur, Fuhr, Luongo, Barrasso, Price are some of the standouts historically and in the league right now you have Hellebuyck, Vasilevski, Fleury, Oetingger to name a few. Of the 68 goalies picked in the first round all-time, 37 of them have played over 100 games. The Oilers have twice picked a goalie in the first round - Fuhr & Dubnyk, both of whom were pretty good picks.

- picking guys late and hoping for the best doesn't tend to work well, especially in a sink-or-swim organization like the Oilers run where we don't spend a lot of time working with and developing prospects who weren't first round picks.

The Oilers don't tend to even use 2nd round picks on goalies often. Rodrigue is pretty unique there. The only other this century was Jeff Deslauriers. In the Sather era, we picked Daryl Reaugh (1984), Andrew Verner (1991) & Patrick Dovigi (1997) - obviously all not amazing. Compare that to the 9th round that hasn't existed in years, where we have nine times selected goalies, and for all that work got two games out of Mike Greenlay.

I don't disagree that there are other ways of getting players other than the draft, but the Oilers have struggled at turning up bonafide netminders in any way for a long, long time, so maybe wouldn't have been a bad idea to take a bit of a risk on a highly rated kid somewhere along the way.

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Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Adam on Mon, 13 May 2024 16:02
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 13 May 2024 17:09
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Adam on Mon, 13 May 2024 17:22
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Kr55 on Mon, 13 May 2024 17:25
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Adam on Mon, 13 May 2024 17:39
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Skookum Jim on Mon, 13 May 2024 18:27
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Adam on Mon, 13 May 2024 22:45
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: benv on Tue, 14 May 2024 10:10
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Kr55 on Tue, 14 May 2024 10:35
Re: Oilers & Drafting Goalies	By: Kr55 on Fri, 24 May 2024 21:28

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